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#1 xnacommunityxna
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will it count as a AAA exclusive, we all know GS will review it and its not on Ps3 and its def gonna get AAA so.... 360 AAA exlusive in october!!!!!!

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There's going to be a huge war over that
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There's going to be a huge war over thatpyromaniac223
until 6 months later when it is finally comes out on ps3 when then it suddenly is just dlc.

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#4 mitu123
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It's on a disc and you don't need to GTA IV to play it...oh boy, this is going to be a toughie.

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#5 Giancar
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There's going to be a huge war over thatpyromaniac223
and I will be here to enjoy it lol
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#6 Lionheart08
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That's ifGamespot reviews it.

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#7 Giancar
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]There's going to be a huge war over thatnhh18

until 6 months later when it is finally comes out on ps3 when then it suddenly is just dlc.

well kind of true =/
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#8 jakehouston88
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will it count as a AAA exclusive, we all know GS will review it and its not on Ps3 and its def gonna get AAA so.... 360 AAA exlusive in october!!!!!!

xnacommunityxna

It's on a disc and you don't need to GTA IV to play it...oh boy, this is going to be a toughie.

mitu123

I guess so then, but still 2009 = Year of the PS3.

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#9 xnacommunityxna
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]There's going to be a huge war over thatnhh18

until 6 months later when it is finally comes out on ps3 when then it suddenly is just dlc.

oh man.... people still are in denial?

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#10 Toriko42
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That's ifGamespot reviews it.

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They confirmed that they are so that isn't an issue. They review DLC now don't you know?

Everyone knows that TLAD was about 10 hours of content, Gay Tony will be the same...20 hours is a complete game but I mean...I'm confused on it. I think it should count as long as it's just the DLC and not the actual GTA IV game and since it doesn't, I think Episodes should count as it's an exclusive Expansion if you will.

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#11 110million
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It's on a disc and you don't need to GTA IV to play it...oh boy, this is going to be a toughie.

mitu123
They still aren't complete games though, so I don't think it should count, or if they are rated as their own game, they woulden't get AAA.
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#12 II-FBIsniper-II
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I think Gamespot will review TBOGT, not the compilation.
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#13 cainetao11
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If it's on a disc, and only on 360, and gets AAA then yeah it should be an AAAE. But MS doesn't seem to care about permanent exclusivity for things like this as we know from Fallout 3 DLC. They want fans to buy it. This SW competition doesn't matter much to these companies.
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#14 DeadMagazines
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it's been established multiple times that it's counting. Standalone games that don't need previous games to run them = counts on spreadsheet. Really not that hard to understand
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it's been established multiple times that it's counting. Standalone games that don't need previous games to run them = counts on spreadsheet. Really not that hard to understandDeadMagazines
Yep, I think we argued this in the summer
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

It's on a disc and you don't need to GTA IV to play it...oh boy, this is going to be a toughie.

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They still aren't complete games though, so I don't think it should count, or if they are rated as their own game, they woulden't get AAA.

They're expansions and they do count on the spreadsheets, even half of the PC AAAEs are expansions. The DLC part worries me, but thankfully Gamespot do review DLC, like Fallout 3 Mothership Zeta, and it's still on it's own disc. And I bet they will all be reviewed at once, like The Orange Box, didn't that have like 5 games, can't remember.

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#17 Nike_Air
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Compilations have never counted in the past (reviewed or not).

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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

It's on a disc and you don't need to GTA IV to play it...oh boy, this is going to be a toughie.

They still aren't complete games though, so I don't think it should count, or if they are rated as their own game, they woulden't get AAA.

I don't understand.....what are these episodes missing that complete games have? L&D was about 10 hours of gameplay, and if on a disc so no need for GTA4 what about it and the next one makes it incomplete?
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

That's ifGamespot reviews it.

Toriko42

They confirmed that they are so that isn't an issue. They review DLC now don't you know?

Well now I do. :P

Personally I say it should count, as one AA or AAA though.

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

It's on a disc and you don't need to GTA IV to play it...oh boy, this is going to be a toughie.

110million
They still aren't complete games though, so I don't think it should count, or if they are rated as their own game, they woulden't get AAA.

Each Episode is 10 hours long. I'd call that pretty complete.
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#21 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]There's going to be a huge war over thatxnacommunityxna

until 6 months later when it is finally comes out on ps3 when then it suddenly is just dlc.

oh man.... people still are in denial?

Yeah. Just like people are in denial about bioshock coming to ps3, lost planet, eternal sonata, tales of vesperia, ninja gaiden 2, and every 3rd party xbox 360 game. Don't worry the chances that ff14, and agent staying ps3 exclusive is just as likely. None. Expect an announcement no later than march 2010, than we won't have to hear about gta 4 dlc being counted exclusive or not.

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#22 DeadMagazines
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Compilations have never counted in the past (reviewed or not).

Nike_Air
It's not a compilation if it hasn't been released or already reviewed. ..just quit.
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#23 SpinoRaptor24
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Yes it should count.

Lots of expansions are counted as AAAE, so I don't see why EFLC should be exempted.

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#24 mitu123
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Compilations have never counted in the past (reviewed or not).

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The Orange Box is on the spreadsheet... Yeah, it's multiplat, but still contains more than 1 game in it.
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#25 BioShockOwnz
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Yup, AAAE.

After all this, watch it get a AA. Ha.

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#26 Nike_Air
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Compilations have never counted in the past (reviewed or not).

DeadMagazines

It's not a compilation if it hasn't been released or already reviewed. ..just quit.

The Lost and Damned was already released. This pack is just a compilation of a previous game and a new one that will be counted seperately too becasue it's its own entity as well.

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[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Compilations have never counted in the past (reviewed or not).

Nike_Air

It's not a compilation if it hasn't been released or already reviewed. ..just quit.

The Lost and Damned was already released. This pack is just a compilation of a previous game and a new one that will be counted seperately too becasue it's its own entity as well.

L&D wasn't reviewed.

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#28 SpinoRaptor24
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[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Compilations have never counted in the past (reviewed or not).

Nike_Air

It's not a compilation if it hasn't been released or already reviewed. ..just quit.

The Lost and Damned was already released. This pack is just a compilation of a previous game and a new one that will be counted seperately too becasue it's its own entity as well.

HL2: Episode 2 and Portal got their own reviews, even though they were already a part of The Orange Box.

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Another AAA from an expansion? What a surprise.

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#30 Toriko42
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Yup, AAAE.

After all this, watch it get a AA. Ha.

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If any DLC deserves AAAA status it's EFLC I'm just saying, this stuff is actually redefining DLC and even game expansion packs. AAA is really...In the bag
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#31 II-FBIsniper-II
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Same thing happened with the last thread... EFLC not counting =/= TLAD and TBOGT not counting
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#32 xnacommunityxna
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]until 6 months later when it is finally comes out on ps3 when then it suddenly is just dlc.

nhh18

oh man.... people still are in denial?

Yeah. Just like people are in denial about bioshock coming to ps3, lost planet, eternal sonata, tales of vesperia, ninja gaiden 2, and every 3rd party xbox 360 game. Don't worry the chances that ff14, and agent staying ps3 exclusive is just as likely. None. Expect an announcement no later than march 2010, than we won't have to hear about gta 4 dlc being counted exclusive or not.

apparently you dont understand contracts.... allow me to explain... when microsoft purchased the DLC from rockstar they made whats called a contract, in this contract it states that the two DLC episodes will remain exclusive... no matter how much cows cry about it

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#33 DeadMagazines
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Another AAA from an expansion? What a surprise.

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Cows sure don't mind R&C every year. "A game is a game" as I recall from cows defending something last week.
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#34 Lionheart08
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Yup, AAAE.

After all this, watch it get a AA. Ha.

BioShockOwnz

It's possible. They could mark it down for not being a huge improvement of GTAIV, but BoGT looks like an epic win so I think it'll get AAA.

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[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"][QUOTE="DealRogers"]

Another AAA from an expansion? What a surprise.

Cows sure don't mind R&C every year. "A game is a game" as I recall from cows defending something last week.

Yeah.. sad thing isn't it. In the systems war expansions shouldn't count in my opinion.
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"] It's not a compilation if it hasn't been released or already reviewed. ..just quit. SpinoRaptor24

The Lost and Damned was already released. This pack is just a compilation of a previous game and a new one that will be counted seperately too becasue it's its own entity as well.

HL2: Episode 2 and Portal got their own reviews, even though they were already a part of The Orange Box.

That is exactly why The Orange Box wouldn't count ..... it's a compilation.(reviewed or not).

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#37 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="xnacommunityxna"]

oh man.... people still are in denial?

xnacommunityxna

Yeah. Just like people are in denial about bioshock coming to ps3, lost planet, eternal sonata, tales of vesperia, ninja gaiden 2, and every 3rd party xbox 360 game. Don't worry the chances that ff14, and agent staying ps3 exclusive is just as likely. None. Expect an announcement no later than march 2010, than we won't have to hear about gta 4 dlc being counted exclusive or not.

apparently you dont understand contracts.... allow me to explain... when microsoft purchased the DLC from rockstar they made whats called a contract, in this contract it states that the two DLC episodes will remain exclusive... no matter how much cows cry about it

Thanks for down talking. Microsoft paid for the production of ninja gaiden 2, they paid for the production of eternal sonata. However, you need to know one thing, that those games still came to ps3. Those are contracts.

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#38 Derek240
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Even if GS reviews it, it will simply count towards the XBL category which is not included in overrall exclusives...this gen at least.

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#39 Toriko42
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Even if GS reviews it, it will simply count towards the XBL which is not included in overrall exclusives...this gen at least.

Derek240
No, this is a retail package with around 30 hours of gameplay, it's own standalone online mode, and it does not include the original GTA game so it's not just a glorified port...
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#40 mitu123
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]The Lost and Damned was already released. This pack is just a compilation of a previous game and a new one that will be counted seperately too becasue it's its own entity as well.

Nike_Air

HL2: Episode 2 and Portal got their own reviews, even though they were already a part of The Orange Box.

That is exactly why The Orange Box wouldn't count ..... it's a compilation.(reviewed or not).

And it's on the spreadsheet...
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#41 organic_machine
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I don't understand what people are arguing for. Of course it will be rated. Gamespot rates the Fallout 3 DLC, they'll rate this too. And it should count. Now that it's on disk, I don't even consider it DLC anymore. It's now considered an EXPANSION PACK. You know, those things from last gen? Of course you can't remeber! Stupid DLC movement!! :x

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[QUOTE="Derek240"]

Even if GS reviews it, it will simply count towards the XBL which is not included in overrall exclusives...this gen at least.

Toriko42

No, this is a retail package with around 30 hours of gameplay, it's own standalone online mode, and it does not include the original GTA game so it's not just a glorified port...

Ah I see. So it will be on store shelves?

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[QUOTE="xnacommunityxna"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]Yeah. Just like people are in denial about bioshock coming to ps3, lost planet, eternal sonata, tales of vesperia, ninja gaiden 2, and every 3rd party xbox 360 game. Don't worry the chances that ff14, and agent staying ps3 exclusive is just as likely. None. Expect an announcement no later than march 2010, than we won't have to hear about gta 4 dlc being counted exclusive or not.

nhh18

apparently you dont understand contracts.... allow me to explain... when microsoft purchased the DLC from rockstar they made whats called a contract, in this contract it states that the two DLC episodes will remain exclusive... no matter how much cows cry about it

Thanks for down talking. Microsoft paid for the production of ninja gaiden 2, they paid for the production of eternal sonata. However, you need to know one thing, that those games still came to ps3. Those are contracts.

funny, coulda sworn that was the 3rd party devs who paid for the production.....

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#44 nhh18
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.QUOTE="xnacommunityxna"]

[QUOTE="xnacommunityxna"]

apparently you dont understand contracts.... allow me to explain... when microsoft purchased the DLC from rockstar they made whats called a contract, in this contract it states that the two DLC episodes will remain exclusive... no matter how much cows cry about it

nhh18

Thanks for down talking. Microsoft paid for the production of ninja gaiden 2, they paid for the production of eternal sonata. However, you need to know one thing, that those games still came to ps3. Those are contracts.

funny, coulda sworn that was the 3rd party devs who paid for the production.....

Funny, because ninja gaiden 2 was published by microsoft.

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If this is the case cows wanna go down, then neither NG sigma games will count, GT5P won't count, none of their JRPG ports will count etc etc. Since the ports have already been reviewed, then the new releases on ps3 cease to exist by SW logic. Demos do not exist as well. I'm sure I can find more instances if I wanted to try harder.
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

HL2: Episode 2 and Portal got their own reviews, even though they were already a part of The Orange Box.

mitu123

That is exactly why The Orange Box wouldn't count ..... it's a compilation.(reviewed or not).

And it's on the spreadsheet...

It doesn't matter if its not on a spreadsheet or not or if it's reviewed or not. Any new content can be played seperately , right? It's just a compilation of games. - some old , some new.You don't count redundant content twice. But as it is..... The Lost and Damned and the Ballad of G.Tonyare their own entities as stand alone episodes of GTA IV.

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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="xnacommunityxna"]

oh man.... people still are in denial?

xnacommunityxna

Yeah. Just like people are in denial about bioshock coming to ps3, lost planet, eternal sonata, tales of vesperia, ninja gaiden 2, and every 3rd party xbox 360 game. Don't worry the chances that ff14, and agent staying ps3 exclusive is just as likely. None. Expect an announcement no later than march 2010, than we won't have to hear about gta 4 dlc being counted exclusive or not.

apparently you dont understand contracts.... allow me to explain... when microsoft purchased the DLC from rockstar they made whats called a contract, in this contract it states that the two DLC episodes will remain exclusive... no matter how much cows cry about it

Theres no way to know what the guidelines of the contract were. For all we know the contract was limited to a set period of time where all GTA DLC is exclusive only during that time and could thus be released on the PS3 after that.

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If this is the case cows wanna go down, then neither NG sigma games will count, GT5P won't count, none of their JRPG ports will count etc etc. Since the ports have already been reviewed, then the new releases on ps3 cease to exist by SW logic. Demos do not exist as well. I'm sure I can find more instances if I wanted to try harder.DeadMagazines

None of them have ever count as exclusives. :|

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#49 Derek240
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Can somebody answer this: Will eflc be available on store shelves?

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[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"]If this is the case cows wanna go down, then neither NG sigma games will count, GT5P won't count, none of their JRPG ports will count etc etc. Since the ports have already been reviewed, then the new releases on ps3 cease to exist by SW logic. Demos do not exist as well. I'm sure I can find more instances if I wanted to try harder.Lionheart08

None of them have ever count as exclusives. :|

No but they count as lost exclusive for 360. If ports of games can make exclusivity divert to multiplats, why can't standalone expansions count in the opposite manner? So obviously ports DO count, or the 360 spreadsheet would have more exclusives highlighted. Ports and expansions are comparable, so if ports can count, expansions can count. End of story.