When ppl talk about the greatest devs they forget something....

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I don't really care about how fast they pump out games. I care about how good they are. Naughty Dog and Insomniac games lack that feeling of polish I see on AAA titles in my opinion. That's why we will never be talking about how great there work was 10 years from now. Despite that they are still good devs.

TheGrat1

Spyro and Crash - Absolute classics that still get recognised for their greatness today. And by the time Insomniac is done with R&C its greatness will still be talked about. Those are games that people love. I really don't know what you're talking about. :|

:lol: Maybe you recognize them as some sort of greatness but the rest of us hardly ever mention them. Crash and Spyro are hardly classics. And yes, I have played and beaten every spyro and crash game Naughty Dog and Insomniac have released multiple times 100% perfect. (yes even CTR) As far as R&C being a classic? Seriously, hell no, good games yes, timeless classic? Maybe ................................no I can't lie, never is that going to happen. People love lots of games, their opinions aren't really what define classics, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, I suggest you take a hard look at the industry and then at those games and see why I have made my position.

[QUOTE="OrwellJames"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So what are they? An amalgamation of developers? Nintendo started into video-games as developers, and today, the are still developers. Just because they've made many interchangeable teams doesn't mean they aren't a developer.

mistablair

[QUOTE="mistablair"][QUOTE="OrwellJames"] Nintendo is a publisher, with several subsidiary developers. No one refers to Rare as "Microsoft" and I see no reason why Nintendo's subsidiaries should be massed into one giant category simply because they opted out of branding their dev teams. As if that's not enough to make it an absurd comparison, the only competition Nintendo had in its first two generations doesn't even exist anymore, and it's 2 and 3 generations ahead of the existing consoles, respectively.Makari

I would say two developers Nintendo EAD and Intelligent Systems

You can't say Intelligent Systems isn't one of the greatest developers they've been making games since 1986 and they've only made a small handful of bad games.

NuaghtyDog/Insomniac >>>>>>>> All

[QUOTE="wizardwd"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]Nintendo is the only possible answer. Of the 250+ AAA games on Gamerankings, 54 of them are by Nintendo. Until another company manages to have published over 17% of the greatest games of all time, Nintendo is hands down the greatest developer of all time.blingchu55

Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development (or EAD; formerly Research & Development Team 4) is the largest division inside Nintendo. Famed developers Shigeru Miyamoto and Takashi Tezuka serve as heads of the EAD studios and are credited in each game released from EAD, with varying degrees of involvement. EAD is best-known for its work on games in the Mario, The Legend of Zelda, F-Zero, Star Fox and Pikmin franchises.

In 1997, Miyamoto explained that twenty to thirty employees were devoted to each EAD title during the course of its development.[1] He also disclosed the existence of a programming group within the division called SRD, a group of about two-hundred employees with proficiency in hardware development.[1]

In 2004 Nintendo underwent a corporate restructuring, in which Nintendo Research & Development 1 and Nintendo Research & Development 2 were merged under the EAD banner.[2] Nintendo EAD is itself split into five separate teams who work concurrently on different projects

EAD Software Group No. 1

Manager/Producer: Hideki Konno

• Games developed
  • Luigi's Mansion
  • Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
  • Nintendogs
  • Mario Kart DS
  • Mario Kart Wii

[edit] EAD Software Group No. 2

Manager/Producer: Katsuya Eguchi

• Games developed
  • Animal Crossing
  • Animal Crossing: Wild World
  • Wii Sports
  • Wii Play
  • Wii Fit
  • Wii Music
  • Animal Crossing: City Folk
  • Wii Sports Resort

[edit] EAD Software Group No. 3

Manager/Producer: Eiji Aonuma

• Games developed
  • The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
  • The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
  • The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
  • The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
  • The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
  • Link's Crossbow Training
  • The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks

[edit] EAD Software Group No. 4

Manager/Producer: Hiroyuki Kimura

• Games developed
  • Super Mario 64 DS
  • Daigasso! Band Brothers
  • Yoshi Touch and Go
  • Big Brain Academy
  • New Super Mario Bros.
  • Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
  • Daigasso! Band Brothers DX
  • New Super Mario Bros. Wii

Developer hierarchy Chief Production OfficerSatoru IwataGeneral ManagersShigeru Miyamoto - Takashi Tezuka - Takao SawanoDevelopment Group ManagersHideki Konno - Katsuya Eguchi - Eiji Aonuma
Hiroyuki Kimura - Takao ShimizuCreative DirectorsYasuyuki Oyagi - Toshiaki Suzuki - Kiyoshi Mizuki
Mitsuhiro Takano - Hisashi Nogami - Shigefumi Hino
Yoshiaki Koizumi - Kenta Usui - Hiroshi Matsunaga
Motoi Okamoto - Koichi Hayashida - Hidemaro Fujibayashi
Daiki Iwamoto - Shigeyuki Asuke - Tomoaki Yoshinobu - Takaya Imamura

a rose by any other name....

....and its really dumb to compare nintendo's development teams as a whole to single studios like bungie, naughty dog, etc.

hey i got an idea! compare single teams so that organizational structure won't matter, cause it shouldn't!

I would never put Naughty Dog on a best dev list because while their games are really good, none of them are more than AA games in my opinion.

Whereas Blizzard takes years to pump out games, they always end up being amazing games, some I would even class as AAAA (Diablo 2, Starcraft). Same case with Valve.

I would never put Naughty Dog on a best dev list because while their games are really good, none of them are more than AA games in my opinion.

Whereas Blizzard takes years to pump out games, they always end up being amazing games, some I would even class as AAAA (Diablo 2, Starcraft). Same case with Valve.

stepat201

....and its really dumb to compare nintendo's development teams as a whole to single studios like bungie, naughty dog, etc.

hey i got an idea! compare single teams so that organizational structure won't matter, cause it shouldn't!

Hihatrider87

At the end there I think you mean Developer. Because you have more than one development team it does not mean they aren't part of the same developer. And you are completely correct Retro studios is not Nintendo. They made Metroid Prime which was published by Nintendo, but not Developed by Nintendo. Mario Galaxy and Zelda on the other hand were Developed and Published by Nintendo.mistablair

[QUOTE="mistablair"]At the end there I think you mean Developer. Because you have more than one development team it does not mean they aren't part of the same developer. And you are completely correct Retro studios is not Nintendo. They made Metroid Prime which was published by Nintendo, but not Developed by Nintendo. Mario Galaxy and Zelda on the other hand were Developed and Published by Nintendo.Makari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_developers

The more you know...

JuarN18

It really sucks that they bought monolith soft. We could have been seeing some great console RPGs if it weren't for this. And before sheep bring up the new RPG they're making for the Wii, the team responsible for the highly acclaimed Xenosaga series left when Nintendo bought them and moved on to make the Sands of Destruction game for DS under SEGA.

[QUOTE="Hihatrider87"]

....and its really dumb to compare nintendo's development teams as a whole to single studios like bungie, naughty dog, etc.

hey i got an idea! compare single teams so that organizational structure won't matter, cause it shouldn't!

Tylendal

No they're not.

[QUOTE="wizardwd"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]Nintendo is the only possible answer. Of the 250+ AAA games on Gamerankings, 54 of them are by Nintendo. Until another company manages to have published over 17% of the greatest games of all time, Nintendo is hands down the greatest developer of all time.blingchu55

Uh, Sony makes a lot of their own games. Their 1st party is huge. They have a lot of development teams.

Alright now you're just being a little too picky. For example when you say that you like Coke you should really be saying you enjoy Coca-Cola Classic. You wouldn't though, because that just sounds weird. But other than that we are in agreement that Nintendo develops its own games which was what the discussion turned into a debate about.mistablair

[QUOTE="mistablair"] Alright now you're just being a little too picky. For example when you say that you like Coke you should really be saying you enjoy Coca-Cola Classic. You wouldn't though, because that just sounds weird. But other than that we are in agreement that Nintendo develops its own games which was what the discussion turned into a debate about.Makari

Blizzard and Valve are my two favorite developers. Which is why I feel all sad inside seeing the Activision Blizzard merge and the milking of Left 4 Dead on Valve's part. Well, I think the trilogy of Starcraft II Blizzard is releasing will be expansion packed price......hopefully.Lethalhazard

Expansion pack price in the sense that Blizzard charges $50 for expansion packs?

Good luck with that. Activision is gonna milk that Starcraft franchise.

3AA crash bandicoot games, 4A, 2 Sub A, and one AAA for the mobile phone that has recieved exactly one review. That sounds more "run of the mill" than "classic". As for Spyro? 1AAA fairly early in it's life. 4AA, 4A, 19 Sub A, mostly more recent games, going as low as 45/100. That's a history of ratings reminiscent of a certain blue hedgehog... If you want classics, look at something like Mario, who despite being around for decades has managed to not only score consistent AAA & AA ratings, but land it's most recent title in the spot of 3rd highest rated game of all time. THOSE, are classics.ActicEdge

Nintendo EAD Software Group No. 3 has a better track record than Valve, Blizzard, Insomniac, and Naughty Dog.