when will the ps3 compete graphically with the 360

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"]Hasn't the PS3 already proven to be extremely powerfull with Oblivion/Lair? Especially considering that it has still only been out for a couple of months. vidiofreak

Well if your saying that Lair shows off the PS3's power. Than the PS3 isnt very powerful. Gears of War looks so much better than Lair. And Yes Oblivion does look amazing, but its also been in the works for a year longer than the 360 version. And with the update that came out for the 360, they are about even now. Your saying lair shows off the PS3 power. No one has played it yet. PS3 fanboys used that arguiment with Motorstorm. "OMG LOOK AT THE VIDEOS, PS3 OWNS 360's GRAPHICS!!!". After motorstorm came out, The fanboys stopped talking about it because it wasnt that great of a game. PS3 fanboys make me very angry because their arguiments are always so wrong

And for the xbox 360 fanboys who said MGS4 looks like crap. yeah, your also an idiot. Those screens arent as good as Gears of War. But even if the game isnt the greatest game graphically, the storyline will be insane. Gears of war didnt even have that in depth of a storyline. Yes GOW's story and single player was crazy. But compare it to he storyline of MGS. Doesnt stand a chance.

See, I'll argue with what I dont agree with. I cant stand fanboys. You have to be open minded about everything. If I said Lair looks like crap. I'd be lying. But if I said Lair's graphics were better than Gears. I would be lying. If Lair has a great story behind its single player. Then it'll probably be better than Gears. Gears was an amazing game. But single player lacked an amazing story.

Oblivion looked amazing because the developers actually tried making a decent port on the PS3. That's why it looked amazing.

Also, look at Lair technically, it's amazing. It may not be quite up to par graphiclly with GeoW yet, but then again, it is in alpha stage and it is getting pretty damn close already. If i remember correctly, people were moaning about GeoW in alpha stage too, and look how it came out. Also, developers aren't taking full advantage of the PS3's capabilites yet, they are just rushing to release games for the PS3 since it is lacking in that department. Keep in mind that the PS3 is much more difficult to develop for, especially this early in it's life. The PS3 is complex, the 360 is very straightforward, that's why it's so easy to take advantage of it's graphic capabilities faster. Also, it's been out for over a year now.  As for multiplats? If developers actually tried, then they would look just like the 360 versions or better. That's why it would be better to develop multiplats first for the PS3 then easily port them to the 360.

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[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"]Hasn't the PS3 already proven to be extremely powerfull with Oblivion/Lair? Especially considering that it has still only been out for a couple of months. BrownWalrus

Well if your saying that Lair shows off the PS3's power. Than the PS3 isnt very powerful. Gears of War looks so much better than Lair. And Yes Oblivion does look amazing, but its also been in the works for a year longer than the 360 version. And with the update that came out for the 360, they are about even now. Your saying lair shows off the PS3 power. No one has played it yet. PS3 fanboys used that arguiment with Motorstorm. "OMG LOOK AT THE VIDEOS, PS3 OWNS 360's GRAPHICS!!!". After motorstorm came out, The fanboys stopped talking about it because it wasnt that great of a game. PS3 fanboys make me very angry because their arguiments are always so wrong

And for the xbox 360 fanboys who said MGS4 looks like crap. yeah, your also an idiot. Those screens arent as good as Gears of War. But even if the game isnt the greatest game graphically, the storyline will be insane. Gears of war didnt even have that in depth of a storyline. Yes GOW's story and single player was crazy. But compare it to he storyline of MGS. Doesnt stand a chance.

See, I'll argue with what I dont agree with. I cant stand fanboys. You have to be open minded about everything. If I said Lair looks like crap. I'd be lying. But if I said Lair's graphics were better than Gears. I would be lying. If Lair has a great story behind its single player. Then it'll probably be better than Gears. Gears was an amazing game. But single player lacked an amazing story.

Oblivion looked amazing because the developers actually tried making a decent port on the PS3. That's why it looked amazing.

Also, look at Lair technically, it's amazing. It may not be quite up to par graphiclly with GeoW yet, but then again, it is in alpha stage and it is getting pretty damn close already. If i remember correctly, people were moaning about GeoW in alpha stage too, and look how it came out. Also, developers aren't taking full advantage of the PS3's capabilites yet, they are just rushing to release games for the PS3 since it is lacking in that department. Keep in mind that the PS3 is much more difficult to develop for, especially this early in it's life. The PS3 is complex, the 360 is very straightforward, that's why it's so easy to take advantage of it's graphic capabilities faster. Also, it's been out for over a year now.  As for multiplats? If developers actually tried, then they would look just like the 360 versions or better. That's why it would be better to develop multiplats first for the PS3 then easily port them to the 360.

ps3 has a last gen gpu and that means that devs know how to take full advantge of the rsx power while the USA arch in xenos is new and they will have to try and learn how to use it correctly.It's just like cell into the ps3 it will take sometime to anderstand how to use it.even MASS EFFECT is nothing infront of what we are going to see in the future from both consoles.

PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the power25-Automatic

I still laugh at this :lol: 

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[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"]Hasn't the PS3 already proven to be extremely powerfull with Oblivion/Lair? Especially considering that it has still only been out for a couple of months. BrownWalrus

Well if your saying that Lair shows off the PS3's power. Than the PS3 isnt very powerful. Gears of War looks so much better than Lair. And Yes Oblivion does look amazing, but its also been in the works for a year longer than the 360 version. And with the update that came out for the 360, they are about even now. Your saying lair shows off the PS3 power. No one has played it yet. PS3 fanboys used that arguiment with Motorstorm. "OMG LOOK AT THE VIDEOS, PS3 OWNS 360's GRAPHICS!!!". After motorstorm came out, The fanboys stopped talking about it because it wasnt that great of a game. PS3 fanboys make me very angry because their arguiments are always so wrong

And for the xbox 360 fanboys who said MGS4 looks like crap. yeah, your also an idiot. Those screens arent as good as Gears of War. But even if the game isnt the greatest game graphically, the storyline will be insane. Gears of war didnt even have that in depth of a storyline. Yes GOW's story and single player was crazy. But compare it to he storyline of MGS. Doesnt stand a chance.

See, I'll argue with what I dont agree with. I cant stand fanboys. You have to be open minded about everything. If I said Lair looks like crap. I'd be lying. But if I said Lair's graphics were better than Gears. I would be lying. If Lair has a great story behind its single player. Then it'll probably be better than Gears. Gears was an amazing game. But single player lacked an amazing story.

Oblivion looked amazing because the developers actually tried making a decent port on the PS3. That's why it looked amazing.

Also, look at Lair technically, it's amazing. It may not be quite up to par graphiclly with GeoW yet, but then again, it is in alpha stage and it is getting pretty damn close already. If i remember correctly, people were moaning about GeoW in alpha stage too, and look how it came out. Also, developers aren't taking full advantage of the PS3's capabilites yet, they are just rushing to release games for the PS3 since it is lacking in that department. Keep in mind that the PS3 is much more difficult to develop for, especially this early in it's life. The PS3 is complex, the 360 is very straightforward, that's why it's so easy to take advantage of it's graphic capabilities faster. Also, it's been out for over a year now. As for multiplats? If developers actually tried, then they would look just like the 360 versions or better. That's why it would be better to develop multiplats first for the PS3 then easily port them to the 360.

[QUOTE="25-Automatic"]PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the power-KinGz-

I still laugh at this :lol:

I'm with you man, LOL hahahahahahaha 

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Okay i read a post saying Gears of War draw distance is better then lair's, this may be true. I laugh to see how horribly Gears of War would lag with more then 10 people in the same spot shooting.WOWZORS

This is true, And I made this point. If 100 enemies shot at the same time on Gears, the game would crash. But keep in mind, The characted model in Gears is more detailed. Meaning.. Better graphics = less carnage on the screen at once.

If your playing a flash game, Depending on your compaute, if u set the quality all the way up, and alot happens on the screen, it lags. You set the quality all the way down, and alot happens. Its fine.

And someone stated that the developers arent trying to make games look better on the PS3. I dont know if thats accurate. And one more thing, Yes Lair will most likely not use all of the PS3's power, Rumor has it, and this Rumor comes from Epic. Gears of War only uses 50% of the 360's total power. Tell me that doesnt give 360 owners something to look forward to in coming years.

[QUOTE="WOWZORS"]Okay i read a post saying Gears of War draw distance is better then lair's, this may be true. I laugh to see how horribly Gears of War would lag with more then 10 people in the same spot shooting.vidiofreak

This is true, And I made this point. If 100 enemies shot at the same time on Gears, the game would crash. But keep in mind, The characted model in Gears is more detailed. Meaning.. Better graphics = less carnage on the screen at once.

If your playing a flash game, Depending on your compaute, if u set the quality all the way up, and alot happens on the screen, it lags. You set the quality all the way down, and alot happens. Its fine.

And someone stated that the developers arent trying to make games look better on the PS3. I dont know if thats accurate. And one more thing, Yes Lair will most likely not use all of the PS3's power, Rumor has it, and this Rumor comes from Epic. Gears of War only uses 50% of the 360's total power. Tell me that doesnt give 360 owners something to look forward to in coming years.

My bad, I believe it was around 40%. Im not sure, ill try 2 find the article.

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[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]Lair?AsadMahdi59

Liar does look good, but its no Gears of War. Gears of war's draw distance is alot better. And the wave effects on Liar arent so good. If you watch the new gameplay footage for it you'll know what I'm talking about. Yes Liar does look great, but Gears looks better.

And whats great is that Lair is still in its Alpha stage

Rofl no it's not.

rofl yes it is

the new gameplay that all those sites and ppl played and showed is alpha stage gameplay.  the game is currently not in alpha only the recent gameplay vids were alpha 

haha! there are tonnes of lemm fanboys on this thread with Halo avatars....

dont pay any attention to this thread, its just filled with lemm bias and irrationality.

lair shows off PS3? PS3 aint powerful then.

 wtf... Lair looks WAYYYYYYY better than GeOW... no competition

PS3 already surpass X360's graphicsamourkiss

it already has
GT:HD looks better than most 360 games, and its only an upscaled PS2 game!!!Warp_2567

[QUOTE="Warp_2567"]it already has
GT:HD looks better than most 360 games, and its only an upscaled PS2 game!!!venture00

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]Lair?vidiofreak

Liar does look good, but its no Gears of War. Gears of war's draw distance is alot better. And the wave effects on Liar arent so good. If you watch the new gameplay footage for it you'll know what I'm talking about. Yes Liar does look great, but Gears looks better.

What I find funny is you are comparing a game that has been released and a game that is just to come out of alpha stage in developement (it was stated so by the devs when listening to the new videos)

Can you not see the flaw in your arguement already?  No one knows how Lair will look when it is released.  People are saying wait till Lair or Heavenly Sword to judge the PS3 power.......don't you think it's fair to wait considering you are using a title that was released after the X360 was a year old?  At least give the PS3 games the same chance.

PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the power25-Automatic

:lol: fanboys :roll: !

[QUOTE="venture00"][QUOTE="Warp_2567"]it already has
GT:HD looks better than most 360 games, and its only an upscaled PS2 game!!!Warp_2567

haha! there are tonnes of lemm fanboys on this thread with Halo avatars....

dont pay any attention to this thread, its just filled with lemm bias and irrationality.

lair shows off PS3? PS3 aint powerful then.

 wtf... Lair looks WAYYYYYYY better than GeOW... no competition

Stumpt25

Please let non fanboys do the debating, your an idiot, and your a fanboy. Yes I have Halo 2 as my avatar, and an XBL gamertag in my sig. But Im not biased. Saying Lair looks way better than GeOW.. .and thats all.. makes you an idiot. You should go back and read our arguiments, maybe itll change your distorted fanboy opinion.

I have both, and, as far as I'm concerned, the PS3 has the better graphics. I own GeOW, but I think Resistance is just as good, and Motorstorm is a beautiful game to look at. Genji, although not a great game, is still very impressive in terms of visuals. Bearing in mind that the PS3 was released after the 360, I think it's fair to say that it's going to end up as the console with better graphics.SolidSnake35

This is what I was saying when that guy said graphics is all about opinion. Some people who favor the PS3, will come into a discussion and claim to have both, and think the PS3 is better. GeOW should not be compared to anything. Theres no game like it. And every review states that this is the best looking game of all time. Resistance should be compared to CoD2. And in that case, I believe Call of Duty 2's graphics are sharper and less cartoony.. But Resistance does a great job in keeping the game looking good and still having alot going on at once.

 This topic was a very good topic. But I guess the PS3 fanboys saw it. Im not taking about you Solid. But the people who came in saying "meh GeOW sucks, PS3 is so much better", when the arguiment is stupid. If I wanted to be a fanboy, I would say, "GEARS OF WAR LOOKS BETTER THAN LAIR, LAIR SUCKS". But Im not. Im just saying, Gears looks better in terms of draw distance and player models. Yes Lair is in Alpha. But if they graphically improve so much that the player models can compare with GeOW. That would be some feat.

PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the power25-Automatic

 Can we nominate this for System Wars quote of the year?

PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the power25-Automatic

I'm a cow...but you just owned yourself.  Xbox 360 GPU >>> than PS3 GPU...fact! 

PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the power25-Automatic

[QUOTE="25-Automatic"]PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the powerAvIdGaMeR444

I'm a cow...but you just owned yourself.  Xbox 360 GPU >>> than PS3 GPU...fact! 

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[QUOTE="CR00K"][QUOTE="jsnepo"]Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction comes to mind. Add to that Lair, Heavenly Sword, GTHD, and of course MGS4.Adrian_Cloud

Which aren't games that aren't out, go figure, and GTHD is a demo, I see no point adding it,by the time those come out 360 will have better looking games already, and Lair doesn't look better than those game, neither heavenly sword, but then again they aren't out and MGS4 is not even ready to show itself I can't count it in either.

Metal Gear Soilid 4: guns of the patriots gameplay was already shown and looks better than mostly anything out on either PS3 or 360.

So you can definately count it.

[QUOTE="25-Automatic"]PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the powerAvIdGaMeR444

I'm a cow...but you just owned yourself. Xbox 360 GPU >>> than PS3 GPU...fact!

more like the 360's GPU > PS3's... if it's more than that, if both are the same, it's arguable.

but everyone knows the Cell is a lot superior than 360's CPU. This isn't arguable. So to me, the PS3 has the edge... i prefer a better hardware in general than a better hardware only in the graphics department.

wasnt ps2 cpu superior to xbox's? i think i read that somewhere..omarguy01

One word.....NO

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[QUOTE="25-Automatic"]PS3 GPU is better than 360. Do you know why PS3 GPU is 256MB ? because 8 cells can help the GPU and it can be like 1GB GPU. MGS 4 and Lair will show the powerSambaLele

I'm a cow...but you just owned yourself. Xbox 360 GPU >>> than PS3 GPU...fact!

more like the 360's GPU > PS3's... if it's more than that, if both are the same, it's arguable.

but everyone knows the Cell is a lot superior than 360's CPU. This isn't arguable. So to me, the PS3 has the edge... i prefer a better hardware in general than a better hardware only in the graphics department.

everyone knows that xenos is way better.Only cows say that their the same.xenos is better than rsx in every way but cell is better in some while xenon in others.oh,and don't make post aaaaaaaagain some facts that cows dont understand and admit.

also the same goes for the games in the future we will see games that run better in ps3 and some in 360.At the end of the day everybody sould understand that either lems or cows didn't bought a weak console it's console have advantages and disadvantages.