When will we see another major franchise attempt to reinvent itself?

Now, not all franchises need to innovate themselves all that much -- if the formula is perfect already, some polish and extra content is enough to satisfy. However, over the course of several years, some forumlas while good, feel stale for the the 3rd or 4th time around.

A quick example is DMC4. The classic DMC gameplay will always be solid, but a lot of fans were dissapointed to see the same old game stepping into the next-generation with little more than a texture upgrade, new bosses, and a story that few cared for.

On the other hand, a game like FFXII reinvented a franchise. Square Enix replace the age old tradition of turn based gameplay and successfully created a unique design that still kept their FF feel. They also took a different approach on the narration. I don't want to argue about FFXII today, it's just an example of a reinvention that received both critical and commercial success.

I bring this topic up because a lot of my favorite franchises are continuing in directions that feel stale. That doesn't mean that these new games aren't solid, but games being $60, I'm not interested in buying into an old experience. Resident Evil 5, DMC4, NG2, Gears of War 2 -- all solid games, yet for me they are rentals.

Please understand that I don't expect sequels to always be drastically different, if the formula is still enjoyable -- by all means pump them out. However, if the formula is a one time hit, or has been reproduced too often by other games, I will still play the sequel but I will be underwhelmed.

What franchises need a reinvention? What franchise should stay the same?

Some discussion topics to jog your brain:

Should the next Zelda stick to the OoT and TP formula? Will the Metroid series benefit from Team Ninja's direction? Do you think the next Halo games are smart ideas? How long will the Call of Duty formula hold up?

etc...

I wanna see RE reinvent itself into the RE4 orignal demo. Any console will do, just make it happen.

I wanna see RE reinvent itself into the RE4 orignal demo. Any console will do, just make it happen.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I wanna see RE reinvent itself into the RE4 orignal demo. Any console will do, just make it happen.

HoldThePhone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_5kwX0LZAc

With improvements that could be awesome on the PS3/360 or even the wii.

Tony Hawk Ride is attempting to that this year. The gameplay is going tofeel more realistic because of the peripheral. You won't be able to do 900 double backflips with that thing.

Now, not all franchises need to innovate themselves all that much -- if the formula is perfect already, some polish and extra content is enough to satisfy. However, over the course of several years, some forumlas while good, feel stale for the the 3rd or 4th time around.

A quick example is DMC4. The classic DMC gameplay will always be solid, but a lot of fans were dissapointed to see the same old game stepping into the next-generation with little more than a texture upgrade, new bosses, and a story that few cared for.

On the other hand, a game like FFXII reinvented a franchise. Square Enix replace the age old tradition of turn based gameplay and successfully created a unique design that still kept their FF feel. They also took a different approach on the narration. I don't want to argue about FFXII today, it's just an example of a reinvention that received both critical and commercial success.

I bring this topic up because a lot of my favorite franchises are continuing in directions that feel stale. That doesn't mean that these new games aren't solid, but games being $60, I'm not interested in buying into an old experience. Resident Evil 5, DMC4, NG2, Gears of War 2 -- all solid games, yet for me they are rentals.

Please understand that I don't expect sequels to always be drastically different, if the formula is still enjoyable -- by all means pump them out. However, if the formula is a one time hit, or has been reproduced too often by other games, I will still play the sequel but I will be underwhelmed.

What franchises need a reinvention? What franchise should stay the same?

Some discussion topics to jog your brain:

Should the next Zelda stick to the OoT and TP formula? Will the Metroid series benefit from Team Ninja's direction? Do you think the next Halo games are smart ideas? How long will the Call of Duty formula hold up?

etc...

HoldThePhone

Hopefully Star Fox.savebattery

[QUOTE="savebattery"]Hopefully Star Fox.gmc2u_64

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

Now, not all franchises need to innovate themselves all that much -- if the formula is perfect already, some polish and extra content is enough to satisfy. However, over the course of several years, some forumlas while good, feel stale for the the 3rd or 4th time around.

A quick example is DMC4. The classic DMC gameplay will always be solid, but a lot of fans were dissapointed to see the same old game stepping into the next-generation with little more than a texture upgrade, new bosses, and a story that few cared for.

On the other hand, a game like FFXII reinvented a franchise. Square Enix replace the age old tradition of turn based gameplay and successfully created a unique design that still kept their FF feel. They also took a different approach on the narration. I don't want to argue about FFXII today, it's just an example of a reinvention that received both critical and commercial success.

I bring this topic up because a lot of my favorite franchises are continuing in directions that feel stale. That doesn't mean that these new games aren't solid, but games being $60, I'm not interested in buying into an old experience. Resident Evil 5, DMC4, NG2, Gears of War 2 -- all solid games, yet for me they are rentals.

Please understand that I don't expect sequels to always be drastically different, if the formula is still enjoyable -- by all means pump them out. However, if the formula is a one time hit, or has been reproduced too often by other games, I will still play the sequel but I will be underwhelmed.

What franchises need a reinvention? What franchise should stay the same?

Some discussion topics to jog your brain:

Should the next Zelda stick to the OoT and TP formula? Will the Metroid series benefit from Team Ninja's direction? Do you think the next Halo games are smart ideas? How long will the Call of Duty formula hold up?

etc...

gmc2u_64

Oblivion isn't as good as Morrowind in terms of role-playing. Bethesda needs a combat system similar to Oblivion's with a story and roleplaying like Morrowind

I bet the next Prince of Persia game will reinvent itself.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I wanna see RE reinvent itself into the RE4 orignal demo. Any console will do, just make it happen.

ActicEdge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_5kwX0LZAc

With improvements that could be awesome on the PS3/360 or even the wii.

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I want this.

That scared the ever loving **** out of me, just watching the gameplay. I can't imagine how freaked out you'd be, espetialy with that camera.

Duke Nukem.Shafftehr

You wish.

I wish...

It's not going to happen man... just... let it go....

*sobs*

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Duke Nukem.Irick_cb

You wish.

I wish...

It's not going to happen man... just... let it go....

*sobs*

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Duke Nukem.jg4xchamp

You wish.

I wish...

It's not going to happen man... just... let it go....

*sobs*

As much as I want to go alone you and say to king rising again, I just can't. The kings dead and nothing going to bring him back :cry:, and even though I'll probably end up regreting saying this, not even Chuck Norris can bring him back that's how dead he is :cry:. But yeah on topic I say probably the next Zelda game will be the next franchise to totally reinvent itself, although then again we know basically nothing about the next Zelda game so that's a probably bold statement I just made there :P. That or Madden 2010, take your pick :P.

MGS4.

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As far as future franchises, that's really hard to say.

Devs like Naughty Dog opted to create a WHOLE new franchise, which was UNCHARTED rather than make a New Jak game.

So, if DEVS can't reinvent they probably create a whole new IP instead.

I want to see Resistance re-invent itself. For Resistance 3, I would love it if Insomniac made it more like the first Resistance, instead of copying the market leader, COD. Rob-Belmont