where are all the exclusives for the 360??

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#101 dommeus
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Can we sticky a 360 has no games thread please.

Alt accounts constantly make these threads, and it just clogs up System Wars.

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#102 anshul89
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[QUOTE="anshul89"]

Can someone photoshop this pic and put a sesame street character in there ? :P

KiZZo1

There ya go:

Epic victory !

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#105 anshul89
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[QUOTE="anshul89"]

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

There ya go:

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Epic victory !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrE4bz-MCmU

What the f*** did I just see ? :lol:

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#106 ConsoleCounsla_
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

You still mad that Dark Souls is on the 360! :D

and that gears 3 outscored every ps3 exclusives that came out in the last 2 years :D

U2 says hi.
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

You still mad that Dark Souls is on the 360! :D

ConsoleCounsla_

and that gears 3 outscored every ps3 exclusives that came out in the last 2 years :D

U2 says hi.

Ugh, even just listening to that game say hi is boring.

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#108 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

You still mad that Dark Souls is on the 360! :D

and that gears 3 outscored every ps3 exclusives that came out in the last 2 years :D

U2 says hi.

Uncharted 2 came out more than two years ago.
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#109 ConsoleCounsla_
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Lol at ppl acting like PS3 has hundreds of exclusives and 360 has none when, in fact, PS3 has like 2 high quality exclusives over 360.

Looking at the overall library, on the other hand, 360 wins by a huge margin. The reason why games like Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect, The Witcher 2 or Bastion dont count here is beyond me.

they dont count because they are not even the superior versions. also, a few high quality exclusives is what its at now (if a few top games of this gen mean nothing to you, well...), im talking about what it will be at in a year or two...Agent, FFvs13, The Last Guardian, Uncharted 4, Twisted Metal, I Am Alive, Starhawk, Sorcery, Sly Cooper just to name a few.......but i guess another rehash is also something xboxes can look forward to, forza, or timed exclusives like mass effect which ps3 owners dont even care about.
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#110 ConsoleCounsla_
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[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"] and that gears 3 outscored every ps3 exclusives that came out in the last 2 years :DxLittlekillx

U2 says hi.

Ugh, even just listening to that game say hi is boring.

in that case, demons souls also says hi.
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#111 White_Dreams
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[QUOTE="anshul89"]

Can someone photoshop this pic and put a sesame street character in there ? :P

KiZZo1

There ya go:

Amazing :lol:

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#112 KiZZo1
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[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"] U2 says hi.ConsoleCounsla_

Ugh, even just listening to that game say hi is boring.

in that case, demons souls also says hi.

Also more than 2 years and it's a 9.0.

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#113 ConsoleCounsla_
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[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"] and that gears 3 outscored every ps3 exclusives that came out in the last 2 years :DStevo_the_gamer
U2 says hi.

Uncharted 2 came out more than two years ago.

2009.
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#114 dommeus
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[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Lol at ppl acting like PS3 has hundreds of exclusives and 360 has none when, in fact, PS3 has like 2 high quality exclusives over 360.

Looking at the overall library, on the other hand, 360 wins by a huge margin. The reason why games like Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect, The Witcher 2 or Bastion dont count here is beyond me.

they dont count because they are not even the superior versions. also, a few high quality exclusives is what its at now (if a few top games of this gen mean nothing to you, well...), im talking about what it will be at in a year or two...Agent, FFvs13, The Last Guardian, Uncharted 4, Twisted Metal, I Am Alive, Starhawk, Sorcery, Sly Cooper just to name a few.......but i guess another rehash is also something xboxes can look forward to, forza, or timed exclusives like mass effect which ps3 owners dont even care about.

Isn't 'I Am Alive' a downloadable multiplat?
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#115 gensigns
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at this point it pretty much seems useless to buy a 360 over a ps3...i mean what do they have for exclusives coming up? another forza?ConsoleCounsla_

Dunno. Whats the PS3 got coming up, not looking any better there.

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#116 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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2009. ConsoleCounsla_
Still more than two years ago.

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#117 ConsoleCounsla_
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[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Lol at ppl acting like PS3 has hundreds of exclusives and 360 has none when, in fact, PS3 has like 2 high quality exclusives over 360.

Looking at the overall library, on the other hand, 360 wins by a huge margin. The reason why games like Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect, The Witcher 2 or Bastion dont count here is beyond me.

they dont count because they are not even the superior versions. also, a few high quality exclusives is what its at now (if a few top games of this gen mean nothing to you, well...), im talking about what it will be at in a year or two...Agent, FFvs13, The Last Guardian, Uncharted 4, Twisted Metal, I Am Alive, Starhawk, Sorcery, Sly Cooper just to name a few.......but i guess another rehash is also something xboxes can look forward to, forza, or timed exclusives like mass effect which ps3 owners dont even care about.

Isn't 'I Am Alive' a downloadable multiplat?

i didnt check either way theres plenty of other games i listed plus this way i get some info on i am alive...eventually..
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#118 Heil68
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[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"] 2009. Stevo_the_gamer

Still more than two years ago.

Don't forget 2008's masterpiece of gaming MGS4, that got a perfect 10, something that has alluded MS in both their console efforts. :(
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#119 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Heil68"] Don't forget 2008's masterpiece of gaming MGS4, that got a perfect 10, something that has alluded MS in both their console efforts. :(

Microsoft has made up for that with all their AAAEs which have scored above the minimum of 9.0.
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#120 xLittlekillx
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"] 2009. Heil68

Still more than two years ago.

Don't forget 2008's masterpiece of gaming MGS4, that got a perfect 10, something that has alluded MS in both their console efforts. :(

Yeah, and don't forget that GTA IV managed to get a 10 too. And it didn't even have 14 hours of cutscenes.

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#121 KiZZo1
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Still more than two years ago.

xLittlekillx

Don't forget 2008's masterpiece of gaming MGS4, that got a perfect 10, something that has alluded MS in both their console efforts. :(

Yeah, and don't forget that GTA IV managed to get a 10 too. And it didn't even have 14 hours of cutscenes.

Keyword: EXCLUSIVES ... :)

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#122 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Heil68"] Don't forget 2008's masterpiece of gaming MGS4, that got a perfect 10, something that has alluded MS in both their console efforts. :(

Microsoft has made up for that with all their AAAEs which have scored above the minimum of 9.0.

Oh, well the PS3 has those too and actually more total exclusives, but you already knew that didn't you? We wont even bring up this year..btw did you ever get any of the Kinect games you were hyping about? I still don't see any game play in your gametag? Seems odd.
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Lol at ppl acting like PS3 has hundreds of exclusives and 360 has none when, in fact, PS3 has like 2 high quality exclusives over 360.

Looking at the overall library, on the other hand, 360 wins by a huge margin. The reason why games like Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect, The Witcher 2 or Bastion dont count here is beyond me.

PAL360

Because Witcher 2 would single handly eliminate all PS3 games in 2012 and make it look far behind 360

So, the multipltform excuse card is played

it is not like PS3 gets anything like Halo in 2012 either

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Oh, well the PS3 has those tooHeil68
Those implies multiple--it is, in fact, singular. Six out of the 9 AAAEs on the Xbox 360 side have scored above a 9.0, only one for the PS3--that one being Uncharted 2. PS3 feels bad, man.
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#125 xLittlekillx
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[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Don't forget 2008's masterpiece of gaming MGS4, that got a perfect 10, something that has alluded MS in both their console efforts. :( KiZZo1

Yeah, and don't forget that GTA IV managed to get a 10 too. And it didn't even have 14 hours of cutscenes.

Keyword: EXCLUSIVES ... :)

Oh, I was just pointing out that you don't have to make a perfect game for it to get a ten. You could make an interactive movie, or even a piece of junk like GTA IV and still get a perfect score.

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#126 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Oh, well the PS3 has those tooStevo_the_gamer
Those implies multiple--it is, in fact, singular. Six out of the 9 AAAEs on the Xbox 360 side have scored above a 9.0, only one for the PS3--that one being Uncharted 2. PS3 feels bad, man.

You can't count now and you keep track of the list? oh my...nevertheless it feels good..I have never been this happy with any console in my life, not even the PS2 can deliver the kid of joy, happiness and sheer excitement the PS3 and its juggernaut games deliver to me. I literally could not ask for me, yet Sony and the PS3 just keep giving me more and more. That is a kind of happiness that scores and money can't buy. Now the 360, outside of the Gears and a flop has been tremendously disappointing to the point of me wanting to sell the damn thing, but I'll keep it around if only to validate my opinion.
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I had all 3 consoles this gen and recently sold my Wii and PS3 due to lack of time and needing some extra money. I only have the 360. There are way too many games to afford / playif they are exclusive or not. Forza & Gears are both exclusive, then ESV, NBA 2k12, Batman AC, etc etc all this holiday. Plus, just an FYI, 360 still has more AAA titles then PS3.

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Nope, feels good..I have never been this happy with any console in my life, not even the PS2 can deliver the kid of joy, happiness and sheer excitement the PS3 and its juggernaut games deliver to me. I literally could not ask for me, yet Sony and the PS3 just keep giving me more and more. That is a kind of happiness that scores and money can't buy. Now the 360, outside of the Gears and a flop has been tremendously disappointing to the point of me wanting to sell the damn thing, but I'll keep it around if only to validate my opinion. Heil68
This reply reminded me of a previous side-steppage regarding a previous Witcher 2 comment. :]

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Nope, feels good..I have never been this happy with any console in my life, not even the PS2 can deliver the kid of joy, happiness and sheer excitement the PS3 and its juggernaut games deliver to me. I literally could not ask for me, yet Sony and the PS3 just keep giving me more and more. That is a kind of happiness that scores and money can't buy. Now the 360, outside of the Gears and a flop has been tremendously disappointing to the point of me wanting to sell the damn thing, but I'll keep it around if only to validate my opinion. Stevo_the_gamer

This reply reminded me of a previous side-steppage regarding a previous Witcher 2 comment. :]

And you side steped my Kinect comments and your bizarre math questions, but I'm not the only one that notices that, and the TW2 is still exclusive. :>
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Nope, feels good..I have never been this happy with any console in my life, not even the PS2 can deliver the kid of joy, happiness and sheer excitement the PS3 and its juggernaut games deliver to me. I literally could not ask for me, yet Sony and the PS3 just keep giving me more and more. That is a kind of happiness that scores and money can't buy. Now the 360, outside of the Gears and a flop has been tremendously disappointing to the point of me wanting to sell the damn thing, but I'll keep it around if only to validate my opinion. Stevo_the_gamer

This reply reminded me of a previous side-steppage regarding a previous Witcher 2 comment. :]

It reminded me of how that guy must work at Sony.

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#131 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Nope, feels good..I have never been this happy with any console in my life, not even the PS2 can deliver the kid of joy, happiness and sheer excitement the PS3 and its juggernaut games deliver to me. I literally could not ask for me, yet Sony and the PS3 just keep giving me more and more. That is a kind of happiness that scores and money can't buy. Now the 360, outside of the Gears and a flop has been tremendously disappointing to the point of me wanting to sell the damn thing, but I'll keep it around if only to validate my opinion. xLittlekillx

This reply reminded me of a previous side-steppage regarding a previous Witcher 2 comment. :]

It reminded me of how that guy must work at Sony.

why do you say that?
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[QUOTE="Heil68"] And you side steped my Kinect comments and your bizarre math questions, but I'm not the only one that notices that, and the TW2 is still exclusive. :>

I don't address irrelevant side tangents. You believe in timed exclusivity? Interesting.
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#133 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Heil68"] And you side steped my Kinect comments and your bizarre math questions, but I'm not the only one that notices that, and the TW2 is still exclusive. :>

I don't address irrelevant side tangents. You believe in timed exclusivity? Interesting.

You were the one that brought up number of AAAE's and TW2 into the discussion, I only am going by what is available on *your* spreadsheet for my information. *shrug* :>
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#134 Troll_Soldier
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360 exclusives:

KiZZo1
PS3 exclusives:
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#135 Troll_Soldier
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Lol PS3 have crap and 360 has one about even i say.
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#136 clone01
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they are hovering somewhere around 2005 and 2007...

casharmy
Did forza 4 and gears 3 not come out?
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#137 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it has almost the same number of high scoring exclusives as the ps3 does. :?

ianuilliam

Yep... about the same number of high scoring exclusives... and it only took it 20% longer to achieve it. :o

It's actually the exact same number.. with almost half the amount of quality first party studios.

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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it has almost the same number of high scoring exclusives as the ps3 does. :?

waltefmoney

Yep... about the same number of high scoring exclusives... and it only took it 20% longer to achieve it. :o

It's actually the exact same number.. with almost half the amount of quality first party studios.

i haven't looked in a while but was actually wondering about that. they're tied again. interesting.

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#139 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it has almost the same number of high scoring exclusives as the ps3 does. :?

waltefmoney

Yep... about the same number of high scoring exclusives... and it only took it 20% longer to achieve it. :o

It's actually the exact same number.. with almost half the amount of quality first party studios.

I'd say less than half, at any given time, considering how the mostly kill them off, or canibalize them and turn them into Mii-clothing sweatshops and such... Sony has a ton of studios that regularly put out AA+ games... MS has... Turn10. And... that's about it. Bungie is gone, Gears isn't first party... I suppose 343, but they haven't proven themselves yet. Other than Gears/Halo/Forza, pretty much all the AA+ in the past 2 years are Kinect games, and mostly third party. So, yeah, you hit the nail on the head, lack of studios is indeed the reason for the lack of exclusives... To me, as a gamer, they are the same thing. It doesn't matter if the problem is lack of games, or if the lack of games is just a symptom, and the problem is lack of studios... either way, even if they didn't have plenty to throw around already, MS is pulling in plenty from Live fees, so there's no excuse for them to not invest some of that in building their first party up. Therefore, as a gamer, their lack of first party devs does not excuse their lack of exclusives.

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I'd say less than half, at any given time, considering how the mostly kill them off, or canibalize them and turn them into Mii-clothing sweatshops and such... Sony has a ton of studios that regularly put out AA+ games... MS has... Turn10. And... that's about it. Bungie is gone, Gears isn't first party... I suppose 343, but they haven't proven themselves yet. Other than Gears/Halo/Forza, pretty much all the AA+ in the past 2 years are Kinect games, and mostly third party. So, yeah, you hit the nail on the head, lack of studios is indeed the reason for the lack of exclusives... To me, as a gamer, they are the same thing. It doesn't matter if the problem is lack of games, or if the lack of games is just a symptom, and the problem is lack of studios... either way, even if they didn't have plenty to throw around already, MS is pulling in plenty from Live fees, so there's no excuse for them to not invest some of that in building their first party up. Therefore, as a gamer, their lack of first party devs does not excuse their lack of exclusives.

ianuilliam

And you also missed the point(or ignored it). Even if all the things you said are true, the two systems are still even in quality exclusives. So either Sony's first party isn't that good and keep releasing sub AAE games or the difference in exclusives really isn't that big.

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

they are hovering somewhere around 2005 and 2007...

clone01
Did forza 4 and gears 3 not come out?

Shh, that doesn't belong here. After 22 years of gaming, I'm still in shock of how ridiculously stupid this community can be. Some people here take the metagame far too seriously and seem to live and die by it's rules.
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Heil68"]Oh, well the PS3 has those tooHeil68
Those implies multiple--it is, in fact, singular. Six out of the 9 AAAEs on the Xbox 360 side have scored above a 9.0, only one for the PS3--that one being Uncharted 2. PS3 feels bad, man.

You can't count now and you keep track of the list? oh my...nevertheless it feels good..I have never been this happy with any console in my life, not even the PS2 can deliver the kid of joy, happiness and sheer excitement the PS3 and its juggernaut games deliver to me. I literally could not ask for me, yet Sony and the PS3 just keep giving me more and more. That is a kind of happiness that scores and money can't buy. Now the 360, outside of the Gears and a flop has been tremendously disappointing to the point of me wanting to sell the damn thing, but I'll keep it around if only to validate my opinion.

this is the saddest post i've ever seen in my life.
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#144 almasdeathchild
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"] 2009. Heil68

Still more than two years ago.

Don't forget 2008's masterpiece of gaming MGS4, that got a perfect 10, something that has alluded MS in both their console efforts. :(

:lol: i still want my 59.99$ back :lol:

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#145 ianuilliam
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I'd say less than half, at any given time, considering how the mostly kill them off, or canibalize them and turn them into Mii-clothing sweatshops and such... Sony has a ton of studios that regularly put out AA+ games... MS has... Turn10. And... that's about it. Bungie is gone, Gears isn't first party... I suppose 343, but they haven't proven themselves yet. Other than Gears/Halo/Forza, pretty much all the AA+ in the past 2 years are Kinect games, and mostly third party. So, yeah, you hit the nail on the head, lack of studios is indeed the reason for the lack of exclusives... To me, as a gamer, they are the same thing. It doesn't matter if the problem is lack of games, or if the lack of games is just a symptom, and the problem is lack of studios... either way, even if they didn't have plenty to throw around already, MS is pulling in plenty from Live fees, so there's no excuse for them to not invest some of that in building their first party up. Therefore, as a gamer, their lack of first party devs does not excuse their lack of exclusives.

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And you also missed the point(or ignored it). Even if all the things you said are true, the two systems are still even in quality exclusives. So either Sony's first party isn't that good and keep releasing sub AAE games or the difference in exclusives really isn't that big.

I ignored it, because it's a gross over simplification. For your edification, I'll address it now. You're not taking into account AAE+ games that aren't first party... GRAW, Ridge Racer 6, DOA4, MotoGP 06, Dead Rising, St's Row, Ace Combat 6, Culdcept Saga, Gears 2, Scene it? BOS, Alan Wake, Dance Central, Gears 3, Sesame St, Dance Central 2... Over half (15) of 360's 29 AAE+ games. Versus... Maybe 7 of PS3's 29 AAE+. Meaning, MS's first party studios, including ones they've since shut-down or split ways with, pumped out about 14 AAE+ games in 6 years. 2.3 games a year, and Sony's managed 22 in 5 years, 4.4 a year.

360 being tied (for the moment) doesn't indicate Sony's first party is "not that good" it mostly has to do with an extra year to release games (which is 20% longer, at this stage), and also benefits them by gaining a few third party exclusives that were exclusive only because the PS3 wasn't out, or they didn't have long enough with the dev kits (in the same way a lot of 360's numerical advantage in multiplats results from PS2 games that got 360 ports but not PS3, simply because the 360 was out a year earlier), and more recently, a few third party Kinect games (3/4 AAE Kinect games are not first party. The one that is, only is because MS bought the dev after the game came came out).

If MS had as many and/or as good of first party studios, would they have more AAE+ games in 6 years vs 5? Yeah, I should hope so. I didn't pick PS3 because it had more good exclusives. At the time I got it, it didn't, obviously (Jan 07). But I knew Sony had a history of having a better first party, releasing more new IPs, investing in building up developer's, etc., so I predicted that by the end of the two systems' respective life cycles, PS3 would have more, and probably a LOT more that catered to my tastes. MS could have proven me wrong, but rather than invest the truckloads of Live revenue in aquiring/building studios, they use it to fund half a million dollar Kinect media campaign, secure timed exclusive DLC deals, and things of that nature to give a temporary advantage. It's good business... but is of no value to me as a gamer, resulting in me feeling quite confident that I made the right choice (for me).

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#146 delta3074
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

I'd say less than half, at any given time, considering how the mostly kill them off, or canibalize them and turn them into Mii-clothing sweatshops and such... Sony has a ton of studios that regularly put out AA+ games... MS has... Turn10. And... that's about it. Bungie is gone, Gears isn't first party... I suppose 343, but they haven't proven themselves yet. Other than Gears/Halo/Forza, pretty much all the AA+ in the past 2 years are Kinect games, and mostly third party. So, yeah, you hit the nail on the head, lack of studios is indeed the reason for the lack of exclusives... To me, as a gamer, they are the same thing. It doesn't matter if the problem is lack of games, or if the lack of games is just a symptom, and the problem is lack of studios... either way, even if they didn't have plenty to throw around already, MS is pulling in plenty from Live fees, so there's no excuse for them to not invest some of that in building their first party up. Therefore, as a gamer, their lack of first party devs does not excuse their lack of exclusives.

ianuilliam

And you also missed the point(or ignored it). Even if all the things you said are true, the two systems are still even in quality exclusives. So either Sony's first party isn't that good and keep releasing sub AAE games or the difference in exclusives really isn't that big.

I ignored it, because it's a gross over simplification. For your edification, I'll address it now. You're not taking into account AAE+ games that aren't first party... GRAW, Ridge Racer 6, DOA4, MotoGP 06, Dead Rising, St's Row, Ace Combat 6, Culdcept Saga, Gears 2, Scene it? BOS, Alan Wake, Dance Central, Gears 3, Sesame St, Dance Central 2... Over half (15) of 360's 29 AAE+ games. Versus... Maybe 7 of PS3's 29 AAE+. Meaning, MS's first party studios, including ones they've since shut-down or split ways with, pumped out about 14 AAE+ games in 6 years. 2.3 games a year, and Sony's managed 22 in 5 years, 4.4 a year.

360 being tied (for the moment) doesn't indicate Sony's first party is "not that good" it mostly has to do with an extra year to release games (which is 20% longer, at this stage), and also benefits them by gaining a few third party exclusives that were exclusive only because the PS3 wasn't out, or they didn't have long enough with the dev kits (in the same way a lot of 360's numerical advantage in multiplats results from PS2 games that got 360 ports but not PS3, simply because the 360 was out a year earlier), and more recently, a few third party Kinect games (3/4 AAE Kinect games are not first party. The one that is, only is because MS bought the dev after the game came came out).

If MS had as many and/or as good of first party studios, would they have more AAE+ games in 6 years vs 5? Yeah, I should hope so. I didn't pick PS3 because it had more good exclusives. At the time I got it, it didn't, obviously (Jan 07). But I knew Sony had a history of having a better first party, releasing more new IPs, investing in building up developer's, etc., so I predicted that by the end of the two systems' respective life cycles, PS3 would have more, and probably a LOT more that catered to my tastes. MS could have proven me wrong, but rather than invest the truckloads of Live revenue in aquiring/building studios, they use it to fund half a million dollar Kinect media campaign, secure timed exclusive DLC deals, and things of that nature to give a temporary advantage. It's good business... but is of no value to me as a gamer, resulting in me feeling quite confident that I made the right choice (for me).

dude i love your post but i have one problem with it, who really cares if an exclusive title is 3rd or 1st party you are actually OVERcomplicating something that is meant to be simple, 360 and Ps3 are tied in exclusives in the metagame, it's as simple as that really.