Where is the romance in games like "Romeo and Juliet"?

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#51 X360PS3AMD05
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It is gone, games are soulless now days.
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#52 Video_Game_King
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Timpani and Blumiere, Ninian and Eliwood, Sigurd and Diadora, Nintendo seems to be on top of the tragic love thing. If you need explanation on the tragic part, it's: two feuding tribes that separated them, Eliwood killing Ninian against his knowledge or will, Diadora forgetting about Sigurd and being killed by her son (with Alvis, who killed Sigurd to further his political agenda to higher power) Julius.
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#53 Aqua-Vitae
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[QUOTE="Aqua-Vitae"][QUOTE="Chronic_420"]

That is exactly what we don't need. Its the romance in most movies that ruin them, there's always a god damn love interest getting in the way of all the action, comedy or w/e. The amount of story in games we're gettin now (especially the shooters) is starting to do my head in, having recently played through gearsfor second time inmonths i couldnt help but get annoyed at all the damn slow walk story telling crap that i can't even skip to get to the killin. There are so many corridors and rooms in gears that were screaming out to have fire fights in em, but noooo instead have some random voice acting.

I don't know, maybe i just can't get immersed in a game quite like a movie, where there are no graphical glitches, poor texturing, dodgy shading, pathetic lip sync, unreal animations, clipping etc which i can't help but notice.

All IMO of course :)

Chronic_420

You, my friend have ADD/ADHD

Er, no. And this is why i refrain from postin in system wars. Pricks like you.

I was merely making a jest about the way you worded your post. The way you worded it, it appeared that you couldn't bear to sit still while the story was explained, and only wanted to get to the fast paced killing and action. I merely remarked that it would appear from this that you had ADD/ADHD. Obviously I have no idea if you have this in real life, and quite frankly I don't care if you do. I suggest you learn to differentiate between serious posts and non-serious, jokular posts such as mine.

Oh, by the way, I am deeply, deeply sorry if I hurt your poor, fragile feelings.

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#54 sonicmj1
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Romance is very rare in games, because it's hard to do. Most games are focused around violent conflict. How do you incorporate romance into that without removing the player from the equation entirely? Some games go that route. FFX is an example, and while I haven't played FFVIII, I'm sure it falls into that category as well. It's a game, but it has a story attached with romantic themes.

The games that I played that handled romance (or at least love, in one of the cases) in a manner that was communicated through the gameplay were Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (cooperating with Farah in the gameplay, and the banter back and forth, looking for her in that dream-like area, etc.), ICO (once again, cooperation, and how the protagonist guides Yorda and keeps her safe from enemies), and Shadow of the Colossus (the lengths Wanderer goes for the girl he's trying to save underlines his deep feeling for her). I'd love to see more games that handle romance well.

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#55 ken_gamer
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WHERE IS THE LOVE Y'ALL?!

Yeah I miss the days when we got great love stories in videogames. It's all part of the feel good factor in gaming. Makes you wanna keep playing and know more. I still remember Gamespot's Top 10 Romance....or whatever it's called. Looks like they may not get another chance to do that if things go on like this.

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#56 waynehead895
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Final Fantasy still has them right. I don't kno if Vaan hooked up with that one chick because I decided not to finish it.
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#57 foxhound_fox
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Play Indigo Prophecy.
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#58 Macolele
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Play Indigo Prophecy.foxhound_fox

Ha ha I played. I still remember a nice make love.

My best couples: Zelda& Link, Squall & Rinoa, Tidus & Yuna.

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#59 minniepink
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Play Indigo Prophecy.foxhound_fox

...already played it...

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Romance is very rare in games, because it's hard to do. Most games are focused around violent conflict. How do you incorporate romance into that without removing the player from the equation entirely? Some games go that route. FFX is an example, and while I haven't played FFVIII, I'm sure it falls into that category as well. It's a game, but it has a story attached with romantic themes.

The games that I played that handled romance (or at least love, in one of the cases) in a manner that was communicated through the gameplay were Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (cooperating with Farah in the gameplay, and the banter back and forth, looking for her in that dream-like area, etc.), ICO (once again, cooperation, and how the protagonist guides Yorda and keeps her safe from enemies), and Shadow of the Colossus (the lengths Wanderer goes for the girl he's trying to save underlines his deep feeling for her). I'd love to see more games that handle romance well.

sonicmj1

Totaly agree with this.

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#61 Newnab
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Star Wars: KOTOR had love in it. You could strip Bastilla down to her panties and send her into battle.

.. That's love, right?

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I've read Shakespeare...and studied every single word/phrase that they've used in the 1600s...and to analize them, the text already gave more than enough physical adpatation than mental feelings towards both of Romeo and Juliet, but that was teh only flaw in Romeo and Juliet. The story just describes of how beautiful Juliet is, and how "handsome" Romeo is, Shakespeare never did explain what the two characters thinks about each other...and Romeo died because of his foolishness...and this is the reason to include romance...

...but the main point is...when will a real game with romance be created?...(not that they are released)

minniepink

If Shakespeare of games was born, all your dreams come true, just wait for him :shock: .

Max Payne developer's work in Alan Wake now, Maybe this game have some romantic moments ;) .

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im i the only on that thinks that romance can make the story better, i remenber playing PoP:sands of time and that game has a really good and interesting story
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[QUOTE="minniepink"]

I've read Shakespeare...and studied every single word/phrase that they've used in the 1600s...and to analize them, the text already gave more than enough physical adpatation than mental feelings towards both of Romeo and Juliet, but that was teh only flaw in Romeo and Juliet. The story just describes of how beautiful Juliet is, and how "handsome" Romeo is, Shakespeare never did explain what the two characters thinks about each other...and Romeo died because of his foolishness...and this is the reason to include romance...

...but the main point is...when will a real game with romance be created?...(not that they are released)

StandOut

If Shakespeare of games was born, all your dreams come true, just wait for him :shock: .

Max Payne developer's work in Alan Wake now, Maybe this game have some romantic moments ;) .

didnt his wife just die in the game, and hes having nigthmares because of that :? , maybe they will show how much he misses her

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im i the only on that thinks that romance can make the story better, i remenber playing PoP:sands of time and that game has a really good and interesting storyalcarazo9
Romance has a place in games.
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#66 StandOut
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[QUOTE="StandOut"]

[QUOTE="minniepink"]

I've read Shakespeare...and studied every single word/phrase that they've used in the 1600s...and to analize them, the text already gave more than enough physical adpatation than mental feelings towards both of Romeo and Juliet, but that was teh only flaw in Romeo and Juliet. The story just describes of how beautiful Juliet is, and how "handsome" Romeo is, Shakespeare never did explain what the two characters thinks about each other...and Romeo died because of his foolishness...and this is the reason to include romance...

...but the main point is...when will a real game with romance be created?...(not that they are released)

alcarazo9

If Shakespeare of games was born, all your dreams come true, just wait for him :shock: .

Max Payne developer's work in Alan Wake now, Maybe this game have some romantic moments ;) .

didnt his wife just die in the game, and hes having nigthmares because of that :? , maybe they will show how much he misses her

If he was imagine his wife sense of love will show in the game in some moments and maybe he will remember the romantic moments with her.

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#67 bad82man82
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Interesting post, You want romance, play Xenogears on the PS1, it is full of romance, God of war 1,2,Fahrenheit, allgood storys, when I remember more I'll post.
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[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Well, being an English literature major...I would say there is no romance in Romeo and Juliet either. But that's just coming from somehow who studied the text and not the romanticized hollywood adaptations.

However, you make a very good point. Perhaps if companies want to capture the female market, they need to worry less about only making crappy mini-game collections and focus more on making real games from a female perspective. Why NOT have an RPG, adventure or even an action gamewith a romantic storyline? Seems highly possible to me?

Then again, I've never been one to compliment developers for their originality so why start now.

minniepink

I've read Shakespeare...and studied every single word/phrase that they've used in the 1600s...and to analize them, the text already gave more than enough physical adpatation than mental feelings towards both of Romeo and Juliet, but that was teh only flaw in Romeo and Juliet. The story just describes of how beautiful Juliet is, and how "handsome" Romeo is, Shakespeare never did explain what the two characters thinks about each other...and Romeo died because of his foolishness...and this is the reason to include romance...

...but the main point is...when will a real game with romance be created?...(not that they are released)

I'm not saying Romeo and Juliet was flawed, just that it isn't actually about love...per se. Shakespeare wrote two types of stories, as did everyone at the time (think of the mask symbols of theatre). There was comedy and tragedy. There was no such genre as romance. Since the story ends with a death the story is clearly a tragedy.

The story opens with Romeo claimnig is pure, devoted and undying love for some girl he just met and then within a couple paged he is suddenly behaving the same way towards Juliet. Clearly Romeo is someone who falls in love too easily.

The story constantly shift backs and forth between the adults and the kids. Note that the adult characters are constantly worrying and overly cautious and therefore overly protective of their children. This is the exact opposite behaviour of every younger person in the story who is prone to act foolishly due to acting without thinking. Which of course also leads up to the death of many of the young characters.

Finally you have the deaths of the characters out of the very foolishness and overly dramatic thinking that has defined them the whole story. Deaths that would have been prevented if only the adults weren't so slow and stubborn in their own actions. There is nothing admirable or romantic about the rashness of Romeo and Juliet or their needless deaths...hence the tragedy. However, it is also interesting that Romeo dies from poisoning, a method of death typically reserved for Women in Shakespeare's world, while Juliet dies from a blade, the death of a man in Shakespeare's world. Sum it all up and you have a tragic story about the foolishness of youth contrasted against the stubborn cautiousness of adults and how both extremes cause their own set of problems.

Now, could a romantic game be made and work. I absolutely think it can. Why not an adventure game or RPG where you play as two characters from two different times, places, etc. trying to overcome various obstacles to get together and stay together. I don't even think it would be much different from other games other than someone has to have the guts to just do it instead of only focusing on FPSers and yearly rehashed sequals to other games.