Where's Pc Gaming Standing?

hell because of Digital Distribution of pc games is causing EB/gamestop to go under.

Well I honestly think that Microsoft stopped many 360 games from going 360/PC so they can strengthen their 360 library of exclusives, nothing wrong with that. But I also think it's wrong to force some developers from releasing it on PC, like Alan Wake was originally planned for PC and was then cancelled.

I honestly think Piracy doesn't effect sales enough to the point where they lose money, but that's just me. However, a lot of potential profit is lost (that's why Crysis 2 is coming to PC, 360 and PS3, however it'll ofcourse be superior on the PC). Until they make consoles as powerful as some gaming PCs, we won't be see an end to PC gaming (also let's not forget it's much cheaper to develop for PC compared to 360 and PS3).

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="aia89"]yeah..wait, just like I'd have needed to wait to play AC2 if I hadn't bought the 360 version. and the reason is piracy??PhilipV94

Yeah well if they released Gears of War 1 for PC, they should release Gears of War 2.

[QUOTE="longtonguecat"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] +1Arctic_Grillz

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Im sorry, but SC2 alone out beats any game releasing this year.

[QUOTE="aia89"]

Halo Reach, Crackdown 2, Fable 3, Alan Wake (?)

those are the big exclusives coming out for the xbox 360.

AnnoyedDragon

Let's get this straight, you're using Microsoft funded games not coming to PC as evidence PC is in trouble? You're using games whose development was funded by the owner of the Xbox 360?

Hey while you're at it let's use PS3 exclusives like Heavy Rain and MAG not coming to 360 to argue its irrelevance. Let's ignore the fact these are Sony funded titles, Sony doesn't want to sell their own games on 360; so 360 is in trouble right?

I'm just saying Microsoft castrated whole series that came out for pc. Fable, x, x. Gear of War, x. Halo, Halo 2, x, x. Alan Wake Pc yes Pc no.

not to mention late releases of the games we get for Pc because of piracy?? Piracy is on consoles, too, so it's not a good excuse.

So, instead of double-crossing the gamers, couldn't Microsoft just be clear and say that they want to keep exclusive games to the xbox 360 and leave the hell out of pc gaming?

this generation alone it has more high scoring exclusives than the 3 consoles combined.

I'm just saying Microsoft castrated whole series that came out for pc. Fable, x, x. Gear of War, x. Halo, Halo 2, x, x. Alan Wake Pc yes Pc no.

not to mention late releases of the games we get for Pc because of piracy?? Piracy is on consoles, too, so it's not a good excuse.

So, instead of double-crossing the gamers, couldn't Microsoft just be clear and say that they want to keep exclusive games to the xbox 360 and leave the hell out of pc gaming?

aia89

Microsoft's primary interests are in the Xbox 360 because they can charge developers for releasing games on the platform; were as with PC they cannot.

You are attempting to use Microsoft's treatment of PC gaming as saying something about PC gaming as a whole, despite Microsoft making it clear Xbox is their primary interest.

Their half hearted efforts in PC gaming is nothing more but PR for their Windows users, if you don't like it you can simply ignore it.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

come on! they're even making crysis 2 for consoles. tell me one good reason why I should prefer a Pc, when I get all the multiplats + exclusives with a console??

rockzo

actually you should facepalm yourself and as you're at it, just accept the fact that consoles are the primary devs interest, while Pc is just playing a subordinate role. ppl just want to play games, and consoles serve this purpose VERY well.

actually you should facepalm yourself and as you're at it, just accept the fact that consoles are the primary devs interest, while Pc is just playing a subordinate role. ppl just want to play games, and consoles serve this purpose VERY well.

Metroid_Other_M

I'm afraid the facts do not support you. If consoles were developers primary interest there would be more exclusive games on consoles than on PC, however the reverse is true. There is a far greater exclusive to cross platform ratio on PC than on consoles, consoles have far more cross platform games than exclusives.

So statistically speaking, developers are targeting PC and consoles are being used as a milking platform.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

actually you should facepalm yourself and as you're at it, just accept the fact that consoles are the primary devs interest, while Pc is just playing a subordinate role. ppl just want to play games, and consoles serve this purpose VERY well.

AnnoyedDragon

I'm afraid the facts do not support you. If consoles were developers primary interest there would be more exclusive games on consoles than on PC, however the reverse is true. There is a far greater exclusive to cross platform ratio on PC than on consoles, consoles are far more cross platform games than exclusives.

So statistically speaking, developers are targeting PC and consoles are being used as a milking platform.

yeah "statistically speaking" you're right, because you want include those genres that are not on consoles.Metroid_Other_M

I'm afraid your attempt to invalidate this statistical "fact" isn't working because you have failed to elaborate.

The truth is consoles get nice exclusives aaaaaaand multiplats as well, and they build these games with consoles in mind, not Pc. so they're optimized for consoles and then ported over the pc. "multiplats have lots of issues on consoles. 30 fps is bad, tearing is bad, frame drops are horrible" that's what we always hear from pc gamers, who claim their Pc to run games at 60 fps FTW with 680 x aa and such. yes, you can do it, all you need to do is upgrade your pc every 2-3 years and then you brag about being able to max all the games out. then the next gen comes out, the new consoles set new standards and your gaming Pc is already old. how about it?Metroid_Other_M

I get the impression you took offense, hence this little rant of yours that doesn't actually address anything. I'm surprised to see a console gamer take pride in the fact that they are the lowest common denominator, because that's what you are gloating about with your "they build these games with consoles in mind, not Pc" comment. You do know what being the lowest common denominator means right? Not a label to hold with pride.

Also for the record consoles don't get many exclusives, they buy them. PC exclusives are more meaningful because the developers chose of their own free will to develop their game for PC. Consoles however, they don't seem able to convince developers to remain exclusive. Hence why the majority of games you will likely bring up will either be developed or paid for by the 1st party, there is very little 3rd party development on consoles anymore.

So between being the lowest common denominator, being a cross platform dumping ground and being unable to convince many developers to remain exclusive without outright paying them; console aren't really in a position to criticise PC.

I'm a pc-only gamer and I can tell you that yes, you can notice the difference in terms of graphics and often - not always - performance. but nothing so huge as someone likes to point out. And 30 fps is fine for most games. Actually I don't know how someone could be bothered by that framerate factor. the most important thing is that your games run smoothly and has not much tearing, framedrops and stuff.

if you want to play games, well consoles will do that for you. they made it to serve that purpose. I don't see why consolites should feel bad about playing on a console?

Unless you want to stare at games, all that counts is play the damn thing, unless you are like those people who are obsessed with high details and stuff. CRAP, what really counts are the games. I got a ps2 only 2 years ago, everyone was saying it was great and stuff, but I had my nice Pc which played games in HD, while consolites mostly played games on a SDTV. So yeah, I was prejudiced, until I played some ps2 games and tbh at first the lower definition kind of disturbed me, but when you play the game, you can't care less about about textures and what not.

I also skipped this console gen for now, but I had the opportunity to play some games over a friend of mine. Metal Gear Solid 4?, Uncharted?, Forza 3? Halo 3? Super Mario Galaxy? Assassin's Creed 2? Those are all great games. if I had money and time, maybe I'd enjoy all three consoles + Pc, without **** about sub-par resolutions and stuff.

the Hardware is important but not essential at all, especially when you're all happy about your new ninja Pc, but got almost nothing that can show its real potential.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"] yeah "statistically speaking" you're right, because you want include those genres that are not on consoles.AnnoyedDragon

I'm afraid your attempt to invalidate this statistical "fact" isn't working because you have failed to elaborate.

The truth is consoles get nice exclusives aaaaaaand multiplats as well, and they build these games with consoles in mind, not Pc. so they're optimized for consoles and then ported over the pc. "multiplats have lots of issues on consoles. 30 fps is bad, tearing is bad, frame drops are horrible" that's what we always hear from pc gamers, who claim their Pc to run games at 60 fps FTW with 680 x aa and such. yes, you can do it, all you need to do is upgrade your pc every 2-3 years and then you brag about being able to max all the games out. then the next gen comes out, the new consoles set new standards and your gaming Pc is already old. how about it?Metroid_Other_M

I get the impression you took offense, hence this little rant of yours that doesn't actually address anything. I'm surprised to see a console gamer take pride in the fact that they are the lowest common denominator, because that's what you are gloating about with your "they build these games with consoles in mind, not Pc" comment. You do know what being the lowest common denominator means right? Not a label to hold with pride.

Also for the record consoles don't get many exclusives, they buy them. PC exclusives are more meaningful because the developers chose of their own free will to develop their game for PC. Consoles however, they don't seem able to convince developers to remain exclusive. Hence why the majority of games you will likely bring up will either be developed or paid for by the 1st party, there is very little 3rd party development on consoles anymore.

So between being the lowest common denominator, being a cross platform dumping ground and being unable to convince many developers to remain exclusive without outright paying them; console aren't really in a position to criticise PC.

Bioshock 2 will be the first game I buy for my PC since last November.

The PC has had a relatively poor 12 months in comparison with the consoles imo.

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Console is a PC. Try and get that though your t*ick fanboy skull

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is standing above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Mitjastiskovski

I'm a pc-only gamer and I can tell you that yes, you can notice the difference in terms of graphics and often - not always - performance. but nothing so huge as someone likes to point out. And 30 fps is fine for most games. Actually I don't know how someone could be bothered by that framerate factor. the most important thing is that your games run smoothly and has not much tearing, framedrops and stuff.

if you want to play games, well consoles will do that for you. they made it to serve that purpose. I don't see why consolites should feel bad about playing on a console?

Unless you want to stare at games, all that counts is play the damn thing, unless you are like those people who are obsessed with high details and stuff. CRAP, what really counts are the games. I got a ps2 only 2 years ago, everyone was saying it was great and stuff, but I had my nice Pc which played games in HD, while consolites mostly played games on a SDTV. So yeah, I was prejudiced, until I played some ps2 games and tbh at first the lower definition kind of disturbed me, but when you play the game, you can't care less about about textures and what not.

I also skipped this console gen for now, but I had the opportunity to play some games over a friend of mine.Metal Gear Solid 4?, Uncharted?, Forza 3? Halo 3? Super Mario Galaxy? Assassin's Creed 2? Those are all great games. if I had money and time, maybe I'd enjoy all three consoles + Pc, without **** about sub-par resolutions and stuff.

the Hardware is important but not essential at all, especially when you're all happy about your new ninja Pc, but got almost nothing that can show its real potential.

italygamer

that's all I was trying to say!

now I'm just sorry you'll have to argue with your fellow pc-ers.

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is standing above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Metroid_Other_M

PC has the most games available out of all platforms, better quality games, bigger diversity of games, not just FPS like the consoles do.

And if you have a good PC, you can exploit that power by runing a game with higher quality textures, better rez and better framerate than the consoles? How is that not using the power of a PC?

Not to mention PC gaming has the best looking game on all platforms and it's 2 years old already....

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"][QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is standing above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Mitjastiskovski

PC has the most games available out of all platforms, better quality games, bigger diversity of games, not just FPS like the consoles do.

And if you have a good PC, you can exploit that power by runing a game with higher quality textures, better rez and better framerate than the consoles? How is that not using the power of a PC?

Not to mention PC gaming has the best looking game on all platforms and it's 2 years old already....

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"] what about the games? at the end of the day that's what matters. Pc is all about potential power which is barely EVER exploited.Metroid_Other_M

PC has the most games available out of all platforms, better quality games, bigger diversity of games, not just FPS like the consoles do.

And if you have a good PC, you can exploit that power by runing a game with higher quality textures, better rez and better framerate than the consoles? How is that not using the power of a PC?

Not to mention PC gaming has the best looking game on all platforms and it's 2 years old already....

Just No. When have you seen PC gamers making threads in System wars on how to max out a game? Never yeah. :lol:

How many times you seen Console Graphics King threads? 10 every day at least. Now it's us PC gamers that eating our brains out about graphics. :lol:

I find it funny you are now trying to compare the diversity of games on consoles vs PC. :lol: Don't go there otherwise you are going to get severly owned.

You can't call Mario and Ratchet diversity games when there about about 500 mario games been made and about 50 ratchet games made. Talk about being milked :lol:

I'm not criticizing Pc, I'm rather criticizing those who see consoles like garbage.

Metroid_Other_M

No one said consoles are garbage, in fact the person you responded to didn't say anything at all. All they did was use a face palm image towards you, you who was making an uninformed anti PC comment.

So don't lie to me about doing this just out of defense, you initiated this argument unprovoked, the remainder of your response is just more anti PC nonsense. You are not the first person to use the delayed port argument and I doubt you will the the last. The thing about the delayed port argument is it blatantly uses double standards; which goes like this.

When a console game comes out on PC later, even if it has PC exclusive enhancements as a result of the delay, consolites declare PC an after thought. When a PC game comes out on consoles later, even if it is downgraded, consolites declare PC gaming dying and its developers fleeing to consoles. Of course even if it isn't downgraded and received a few upgrades, like what happens with most console to PC ports, they announce they have the superior version.

Notice how that works? How the argument adjusts itself so that PC is always in the wrong and consoles are always in the right? Don't insult me by using it. You are focusing on only the games 'you think' aids your argument and ignoring everything else.

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Console is a PC. Try and get that though your t*ick fanboy skull

Mitjastiskovski

THose are PC games that will be released in march and late february on PC. :

I somehow think PCgaming's standing seems pretty damn good

THose are PC games that will be released in march and late february on PC. :

I somehow think PCgaming's standing seems pretty damn good

AdrianWerner

I see multiplats and strategy games right? yes, right.

so you listed some good reasons to prever pc over consoles. ooooooooooookay

Pc gaming could be much better, but as I said earlier someone wants you to play games on the consoles.

After 3 years we're still talking about Crysis. why? because devs care about Pc, obviously! :roll:

I see multiplats and strategy games right? yes, right.

so you listed some good reasons to prever pc over consoles. ooooooooooookay

Metroid_Other_M

I see multiplats and strategy games right? yes, right.

so you listed some good reasons to prever pc over consoles. ooooooooooookay

Metroid_Other_M

But so what? Bassicaly all consoles have nowadays are multiplats and action games

I see multiplats and strategy games right? yes, right.

so you listed some good reasons to prever pc over consoles. ooooooooooookay

Metroid_Other_M

Seeing as PC Gamers will be able to do things with those games that console gamers can't, I would say yes.

Pc gaming could be much better, but as I said earlier someone wants you to play games on the consoles.

After 3 years we're still talking about Crysis. why? because devs care about Pc, obviously! :roll:

aia89

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

I see multiplats and strategy games right? yes, right.

so you listed some good reasons to prever pc over consoles. ooooooooooookay

_Pedro_

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="rockzo"]

hell because of Digital Distribution of pc games is causing EB/gamestop to go under.

osan0

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

I see multiplats and strategy games right? yes, right.

so you listed some good reasons to prever pc over consoles. ooooooooooookay

Metroid_Other_M

I see action games, one vapor ware racer and one adventure game where all adventure gameplay has been removed and replaced by action elements.

Wow....such an amazing line-up :D

See? I can do that too :D

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

I see multiplats and strategy games right? yes, right.

so you listed some good reasons to prever pc over consoles. ooooooooooookay

Metroid_Other_M

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"] care to actually give a valid counter-argument for once? _Pedro_

And also not mentioning how all the games adrian posted are arriving on the PC in the next 2 months, thus excluding the fall lineup.

Judging by his logic, the PC is still better than all 3 consoles combined :lol:

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Console is a PC. Try and get that though your t*ick fanboy skull

lowe0

Yeah consoles use PC-derived hardware but the frameworks and UI is designed to make a console a closed off platform. And for the record consoles are not a simple gaming appliances, in fact every new gen they seem to go more towards the PC route, so that you can do multiple things on them. Today consoles, you can watch movies, browse websites, listen to music, stream movies and videos etc. By the looks of things, console are not just simple gaming machines that only play games far from it. They smell to me more like cheap PC that is locked down by big corp like Micro$oft and $ony so that they can charge you extra for nothing.

A Console is basically a PC with a controller and less freedom to do what you want with a product you paid your hard earned cash for. A milkage machine basically

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"] God of War 3 - Heavy Rain GT5 Halo Reach Alan Wake Fable 3 Crackdown 2 Metroid Other M Super Mario Galaxy 2 New Zelda Red Dead Redemption Bayonetta Darksidersshakmaster13

And also not mentioning how all the games adrian posted are arriving on the PC in the next 2 months, thus excluding the fall lineup.

Judging by his logic, the PC is still better than all 3 consoles combined :lol:

PC gaming would be a lot better if the 360 didnt exist.

PC gaming would be a lot better if the 360 didnt exist.

InfinityMugen

Well, I'm a PC gamer and I must say that PC gaming currently pretty much sucks.

Well, I'm a PC gamer and I must say that PC gaming currently pretty much sucks.

IgGy621985

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

Well, I'm a PC gamer and I must say that PC gaming currently pretty much sucks.

aia89

this generation alone it has more high scoring exclusives than the 3 consoles combined.

CaseyWegner

you're an honest pc gameraia89

Well, I'm a console gamer and I must say that console gaming pretty much sucks.

Of course, I'm an honest console gamer.

*triple facepalm*

Did you really need to post that :| ? It makes your whole thread look even more of a troll attempt.

[QUOTE="aia89"] you're an honest pc gamerMograine

Well, I'm a console gamer and I must say that console gaming pretty much sucks.

Of course, I'm an honest console gamer.

*triple facepalm*

Did you really need to post that :| ? It makes your whole thread look even more of a troll attempt.

nope, cause half of his list are multiplat games. get over it.Metroid_Other_M

Get over what? This:

God of War 3 PS3 exclusive

Heavy Rain PS3 exclusive

GT5 PS3 exclusive

HaloReach 360 exclusive

Alan Wake360 exclusive

Fable 3 360 exclusive

Crackdown 2 360 exclusive

Metroid Other MNintendo Exclusive

Super Mario Galaxy 2 Nintendo Exclusive

New ZeldaNintendo Exclusive

Red Dead Redemption Multiplat

Bayonetta Multiplat

Darksiders Multiplat

Metroid_Other_M