Which console has been most dissapointing thus far for 2009.
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Another person who does not understand Natal or what it can do. Why could you not use the Natal system in a macrogame? The controller still works, the camera can be used to supplement the controller. Vocal commands could be used in place of some things if you want, you can use various movements as input. You get the same motion control as the Wii, but you can expand or tailor it far more than you can on the Wii, so saying you can do it on the Wii and not with Natal just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Natal system.Overall Project Natal and the Disco Ball on a stick have got to be the stupidest gaming fiascos yet
Face it, there are very few practical applications for these systems. The main ideas will be puzzles, mini games, etc. The Wii OTOH has true macrogaming potential with the wii mote, as shown by Mario Strikers, Metroid Prime, Red Steel, and No More Heroes.
The wii controller is superior to the disco ball and Natal by far. These competing projects will be absolute failures.
ryaxnb
[QUOTE="ryaxnb"]Another person who does not understand Natal or what it can do. Why could you not use the Natal system in a macrogame? The controller still works, the camera can be used to supplement the controller. Vocal commands could be used in place of some things if you want, you can use various movements as input. You get the same motion control as the Wii, but you can expand or tailor it far more than you can on the Wii, so saying you can do it on the Wii and not with Natal just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Natal system.Overall Project Natal and the Disco Ball on a stick have got to be the stupidest gaming fiascos yet
Face it, there are very few practical applications for these systems. The main ideas will be puzzles, mini games, etc. The Wii OTOH has true macrogaming potential with the wii mote, as shown by Mario Strikers, Metroid Prime, Red Steel, and No More Heroes.
The wii controller is superior to the disco ball and Natal by far. These competing projects will be absolute failures.
SpruceCaboose
You forgot the system where items can be scanned in; i.e. your own skateboard in a Tony Hawk Game, etc. That looks really good. Also, the Natal system may be able to work like wii speak, e.g. you can trash talk (I hope you wouldn't) without a headset.
I have read a lot of different magazines, from T3, to Wired, and they all say that Natal is revolutionary. Celebrities have played natal, and they have loved it. Steven Spielberg and Hideo Kojima are interested in it.
Proof? Here you go:
Hideo Kojima-http://kotaku.com/5366533/listen-in-on-kojima-inafune-more-talking-project-natal
Steven Spielberg- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh9plZmFIP4
Others-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqooMGua3Yk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfKJYj5v0gE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73OBjO1HYOc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJrosd2M3is&feature=related
The only people who are not happy about this, is the so-called "Hardcore" Gamers, who are blind to the secondary benefits of the system, and how it can help them.
natal could potentially be very cool. if it turns out to be wii-esque, i can always give it to my parents. if its awesome, ill get one for them too.
Eh I know how the technology works. I have read about it and I know people who work with similar infrared technology. The technology is impressive in how it can detect individual body parts, movements and even facial expressions but there is a limit to what it can do. A bunch of people moving is not the same as one individual, the camera or software would have to be capable of detecting each individual separately even when they move and walk in front of each other. Technology is not so advanced yet. And all the voice detecting systems you listed can indeed detect commands, not conversations and even less natural language. You understand the difference between detecting individual isolated terms that go as commands and a conversation right? they are in whole different levels. Even my EeePC can detect voice commands when I want to play music, films etc but to follow a conversation is technologically impossible today and the only way is if you have a script that responds to some key voice commands like what Microsoft showed on E3 and that has nothing revolutionary whatsoever.RedruM_Ibut let me guess, the PS3 wand was revolutionary?
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfR5ctyw6LU it is called a demo, they do that just to show off their new toy, that demo is far from complete. lol hahahaha this just shows how stupid sony is that their own fanboys wont accept reality - Sony IS THAT STUPID, and so is Project Nasal, er, Natal. The Disco Ball and Nasal are pieces of fail. The Wii mote rocks. Sony can't copy it worth a halfpenny, and neither can MS.[QUOTE="It_Is_Wut_It_Is"] lol do you really think they will make you hold a dualshock with one hand?It_Is_Wut_It_Is
Face it folks, the Wii dominates this gen in terms of control.
it is called a demo, they do that just to show off their new toy, that demo is far from complete. lol hahahaha this just shows how stupid sony is that their own fanboys wont accept reality - Sony IS THAT STUPID, and so is Project Nasal, er, Natal. The Disco Ball and Nasal are pieces of fail. The Wii mote rocks. Sony can't copy it worth a halfpenny, and neither can MS.[QUOTE="It_Is_Wut_It_Is"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfR5ctyw6LU
ryaxnb
Face it folks, the Wii dominates this gen in terms of control.
Is there a loyal sheep in system wars?? I thought they were all gone!
And how does the Wii dominate in terms of control?? You never know, Sony's motion control may have a higher sensitivity than the wiimote, and Natal may eclipse using a "wand" whatsoever.
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Those claims were all verified long before MS even bought the system. We knew it worked back when it was the Z-Cam system. If you don't understand the technology, don't insult what you think it can and cannot do.SpruceCabooseSo you're basically saying that Natal can differentiate between a group of SWAT meebers all giving different orders and moving their hands and feet all at the same time and that Natal can detect human voice in a way similar to a real conversation? I'm sorry but if you think technology is close to do stuff so advanced like that then you are watching to much CSI-type programs. Show me please where all those claims were "verified". Feel free to look up Z-Cam or Natal and read the press about either. The PS game LifeLine understood spoken commands, and that was many years ago. Why do people act as if this technology does not exist? Did Endwar not just come out? Do computers and cars not understand speech now? Can you not call your cell phone company and navigate their menus through speech?
Technology exists, even if you don't understand it. And why would it need to differentiate from anyone else but the gamer? Natal does not use its camera to watch the game on the TV. It is an input device. If you are the one making movements, it will be able to understand those movements, interpreting them into game inputs. Heck, it even differentiates individual fingers, so broad movements should be cake. (And PROTIP: The press played Burnout using Natal at E3, so we know the cameras work).
I agree and I don't like Natal because I don't think I'm quite ready to work up a sweat playing a video game. Also don't want to look like a dork in front of my parents, (olders) brother and sisters.
Why do I have a feeling TC just made this thread to bash the 360?
For me it's the Wii. Originally called the Revolution, it seemed to advance gameplay over graphical/hardware capabilities. A few standout titles but too much quick-cash in games using the motion control as a gimmick and nothing more.
Nintendo is floating in a sea of cash and now its up to, IMO, Sony to truly deliver motion-controlled gameplay, while MS focuses on a seemingly more interactive
Wii Motion needs to adapt or evolve, the real fight is going to be between Sony Sphere and Natal. Actually, I take that back. Nintendo is going to sit on their ass and watch Sony and MS fight each other (I sincerely doubt the success of Sony Sphere and to a lesser extent Natal). or completely off-branch gameplay.
Either way, IMO, Nintendo not only has been a huge dissapointment, but they also have made the market much more open to the casuals, which makes me fear that's the direction people are going *runs and Hugs Demon's Souls Game*
Why do I have a feeling TC just made this thread to bash the 360?
For me it's the Wii. Originally called the Revolution, it seemed to advance gameplay over graphical/hardware capabilities. A few standout titles but too much quick-cash in games using the motion control as a gimmick and nothing more.
Nintendo is floating in a sea of cash and now its up to, IMO, Sony to truly deliver motion-controlled gameplay, while MS focuses on a seemingly more interactive
Wii Motion needs to adapt or evolve, the real fight is going to be between Sony Sphere and Natal. Actually, I take that back. Nintendo is going to sit on their ass and watch Sony and MS fight each other (I sincerely doubt the success of Sony Sphere and to a lesser extent Natal). or completely off-branch gameplay.Either way, IMO, Nintendo not only has been a huge dissapointment, but they also have made the market much more open to the casuals, which makes me fear that's the direction people are going *runs and Hugs Demon's Souls Game*
Alpha-Male22
I was going to bash the Wii. They started off strong, but now are slumping big time.
[QUOTE="ryaxnb"]Another person who does not understand Natal or what it can do. Why could you not use the Natal system in a macrogame? The controller still works, the camera can be used to supplement the controller. Vocal commands could be used in place of some things if you want, you can use various movements as input. You get the same motion control as the Wii, but you can expand or tailor it far more than you can on the Wii, so saying you can do it on the Wii and not with Natal just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Natal system. I'm assuming a few things about Natal hereOverall Project Natal and the Disco Ball on a stick have got to be the stupidest gaming fiascos yet
Face it, there are very few practical applications for these systems. The main ideas will be puzzles, mini games, etc. The Wii OTOH has true macrogaming potential with the wii mote, as shown by Mario Strikers, Metroid Prime, Red Steel, and No More Heroes.
The wii controller is superior to the disco ball and Natal by far. These competing projects will be absolute failures.
SpruceCaboose
- Natal probably won't be able to recognize voice. Definetely not screams in the heat of action, if anything, more calm, steady talking in the middle of a standstill. (RPG/RTS applications I guess)
- Natal will have a hard time recognizing small, minute actions, more suited for large actions (whole hand or body movements). the tech isn't there yet for natal to, in the heat of action, distinguish between hundreds of different poses, per finger, than thousands of hand poses, per hand, and then several body poses, and match with fuzzy recognition, to dozens of possibilities per finger, hand or body position. All this adds up, and is impossible for current consoles to do, especially in the heat of action using low-quality sensors.
These two problems limit Natal's applications to minigames, and very specific macro games (e.g. puzzle, adventure, RTS).
Natal also has no pointer functionality or buttons. I expect limitations based on this. I'm assuming you're not holding an xbox controller in one hand because "supplementing the controller" is not next-gen functionality, it is extremely cumbersome, it severely limits body motions, it would be hard to get down, and it's hard to hold the Xbox controller in one hand.If you are, of course Natal can be used for macro games, however, so could an Xbox controller by itself, and Natal would probably add very little, much less than the Wiimote + Nunchuk adds to games like Mairo Galaxy, No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, or Tiger Woods 10.
[QUOTE="It_Is_Wut_It_Is"]um did you forget all the "wait for E3" threads from the beginning of this year? And we got NATAL :D Coming 2010, 360 will be back on top on the gaming frontps3 got their own motion sensing controller for 2010...plus loads of games... 360 got natal and.......?[QUOTE="Nidget"]How can it be disappointing when expectations werent exactly high for the 360 this year? We all know the 360 is building up to own all consoles 2010.Nidget
You're wrong, says the loyal sheep :)Why do I have a feeling TC just made this thread to bash the 360?
For me it's the Wii. Originally called the Revolution, it seemed to advance gameplay over graphical/hardware capabilities. A few standout titles but too much quick-cash in games using the motion control as a gimmick and nothing more.
Nintendo is floating in a sea of cash and now its up to, IMO, Sony to truly deliver motion-controlled gameplay, while MS focuses on a seemingly more interactive
Wii Motion needs to adapt or evolve, the real fight is going to be between Sony Sphere and Natal. Actually, I take that back. Nintendo is going to sit on their ass and watch Sony and MS fight each other (I sincerely doubt the success of Sony Sphere and to a lesser extent Natal). or completely off-branch gameplay.Either way, IMO, Nintendo not only has been a huge dissapointment, but they also have made the market much more open to the casuals, which makes me fear that's the direction people are going *runs and Hugs Demon's Souls Game*
Alpha-Male22
Nintendo has been delivering some really impressive games this gen, like Twillight Princess, Smash Bros, and Metroid Prime 3, and the console has been host to impressive third-party games as well, like No More Heroes and such. But the third-parties have overall been pretty disappointing, whereas some titles, like Medal Of Honor Heroes 2, felt adapted for the Wii, others, like CoD 3, felt very lacking.
Nintendo has delivered the best mix of motion gameplay and real button pressing action together. Nintendo never planned on solely motion-based gameplay like Sony and MS are apparently doing, if thats what you feel was appropiate. I feel even motion games rely on buttons and d-pads. Finally, buttons are essential for non-motion based aspects of a game. A good example of a game that mixes non-motion aspects and motion aspects is Mario Strikers Charged. Whereas a game that provides a dynamic, simulatenous motion gameplay with buttons involved is Madden NFL 10. A game that provides a pure motion based gameplay is Wii Sports Resort. So far, very few nintendo games use pure motion gameplay, which is fine. Buttons are essential too.
How does wii motion need to adapt? It is the most advanced combo of a wand and buttons and motion sensing with 1:1 ratios. Sony has nothing on it. The unique infared camera on the 360 Motion controller is interesting, but still, i predict buttons and a easily-visualizable, cheap wand will win out.
Furthermore, nintendo has made games more accessible to casuals. Foremost however they've done it with interesting, fun, inviting games, like Mario Power Tennis, Mario Kart, and Wii Sports. Some games are lousy (Wii Play comes to mind). But most of Nintendos casual titles are winners and appeal to advanced users as well, and can scale up in difficulty.
Finally, I'll take on your complaint of gimmick titles. All motion systems will have gimmick titles. Lair was a gimmick title for sixaxis. Most gimmick titles have not been by Nintendo, and most have redeeming qualities (e.g. Madden NFL 10). Many titles that could have easily been gimmick titles are well-made games (e.g. NHL 2k10). And many Nintendo titles you might accuse of gimmicks actually have awesome gameplay (e.g. Wii Sports/Warioware).
[QUOTE="Nidget"][QUOTE="It_Is_Wut_It_Is"] um did you forget all the "wait for E3" threads from the beginning of this year?And we got NATAL :D Coming 2010, 360 will be back on top on the gaming frontps3 got their own motion sensing controller for 2010...plus loads of games... 360 got natal and.......? Loads of games :|planbfreak4eva
ps3 got their own motion sensing controller for 2010...plus loads of games... 360 got natal and.......? Loads of games :| multiplat games with long load times =/=loads of game.[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"][QUOTE="Nidget"] And we got NATAL :D Coming 2010, 360 will be back on top on the gaming frontcomeonthehoops
the 360.........and natal a joke......lemmings are actually think this is some kind of new tech.......you do realize the eyetoy does all that crap too right........lol you can scan things with the eye toy and it sense you motion.........come off it lemmings..........natal is a big failure waiting to happen and your just along for the ride.
[QUOTE="comeonthehoops"]Loads of games :|[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]ps3 got their own motion sensing controller for 2010...plus loads of games... 360 got natal and.......?It_Is_Wut_It_Is
multiplat games with long load times =/=loads of game.
MULTIPLAT wid long loading times< exclusive games such as lost guardian, gow3, mag, heavy rain....gt5 etc etc etc
IMO it has been the 360 BY FAR. i mean, we get a FPS expansion, a racing game, downloadable arcade gameand more expansions coming up?
Shadow Complex FTW!! lol
It_Is_Wut_It_Is
It's as if multiplats don't even matter, and we got a couple big ones this year.
Wii if consoles only. PC if we're including that.
IMO it has been the 360 BY FAR. i mean, we get a FPS expansion, a racing game, downloadable arcade gameand more expansions coming up?
Shadow Complex FTW!! lol
That coming from you is really strong. It's not like you are biased at all.
Wii - it has been disappointing for 3 straight years, imo.....of course :P
You were disapointed by uncharted 2? are you nuts? that game was fantastic on so many levels graphics is just one, but combat, platforming , story, plot , and gameplay as well..what were you expecting. I don't know how it coult of been any better? It got 10/10 on most sites and has been said to be the perfect game by past ps3 bashers like Adam Sesslor. (which ironically is funny considering they have been praising the system's games latley!) Why do you own a ps3? You seem to bash on it alot.The most dissapointing? PS3...from all the hype, I expected Uncharted 2 to be one of the best games of all time. Instead I got a great looking game with mediocre gameplay. I didn't expect anything from the Wii or the 360, so there was very little room for dissapointment.
What system had the worst lineup? I'd have to say it's a tie between the Wii and the 360.
STurn21
[QUOTE="double_heist"]I'm not sure, none really? I'd like to say 360 but it got Star Ocean 4 (for me, I love the series no matter what)...It_Is_Wut_It_Isthat game is coming to the ps3 after some fixes of issues. PS3 version will be the superior version once again. It was a smart move to go ahead & play it this year as next year when the PS3 version releases it's right in the middle of Mass Effect 2 & Splinter Cell Conviction. Not really, it's a different market for different peeps. I for one am only interested in Star Ocean 4 rather than Mass Effect 2 and Splinter Cell. :P Anyway, I can't wait for next year because there are like 5 (and even more!) RPGs coming out that I really want.
The 360 by FAR!
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