Which Country Has Been More Important To The History Of Games: America Or Japan?

I find it funny how you're referring to seanmcloughlin as "stupid" even though what he said is correct and what you said is false... Consoles would not have taken off like it did without Japan, and that is an "objective" fact no matter how you look at it. Hell, even if Nintendo never existed, his statement would still be true. Why? Two words: Space Invaders. If that game never existed, then the Atari 2600 would not have had its killer app, and console gaming would not have taken off like it did in the Atari era. And this is even before Nintendo ever released Donkey Kong, let alone the NES.

Whie I won't state my choice yet, Most people don't realize which games come from which country or if a studio under a brand of one country is not at another. But the fact that most games are modeled after American games in the first place and some EU and JP "consoles" were modeled after those entirely in the first place. Like the SMS and NES being glorified Colecovisions. The latter existing entirely because of the Colecovision (I guess that could be applied to the SMS and MSX as well.)

Then there is a fact that a lot of studios can be owned by one regions brand but the studios could be in different countries. Like Dead to Rights technically.

But back to the thread...

I mean a lot of people here who describe their choice make little sense.

I mean other than Jag messing up and doing no research.

1. We have Krelian-co saying that japan brought gaming into existence which is very poorly worded and makes no sense at all.
2. You have LJS9502_basic saying Nintendo revived it when (if anyone comes at me I have back-up) the industry was already revived, the NES released the same time as the SMS and 7800, and the NES did not get a clear lead until 1988. With multiple articles praising all systems (mostly NES and 7800) at the time. There was no revival, it is random spin, I know the cause of it and it's actually the other two companies fault for not easy stopping the spread of it but that was years ago.
3. You have LegatoSkyheart saying that gaming died in the west and it was booming in Japan, when gaming was STILL booming in the U.S. on consoles and computers, it was companies that were hurt by the crash and retailers, and Europe was on a computer boom as well.
4. You have Lucianu believing that Sega and Nintendo created the console gaming market which is not explained enough to know what he is referring to and that he believes they both shaped countless genres is an overstatement because most genres were made with earlier consoles and arcades and older computers before both of those companies had consoles, and a lot of the future one were brought out by arcade and pc's.
5. xrockerboy is probably Krelian-co 's alt.
6. megaspiderweb09 says that japan made what gaming is today which is terribly vague and explains nothing so i am not sure what he is referring to.
7. Caseytappy think Atari was the first successful home consoles when that can be applied to the Fairchild which did well enough to make another system.
8. reaver-x believes the same thing LJS9502_basic does which just makes me wonder if gaming history will remain distorted 30 years from now. Then I shake my head and hope one day things will make sense.
9. farrell2k continues the trend of ignorance of thinking Nintendo saved something that was already fine and thinks it sold un opposed since it was named in a paper before release.
10. gameofthering takes on ignorance and covers it with another one that is less ignorant.
11. seanmcloughlin Continues the trend of ignorance to include all consoles in general would not have taken off.
12. blackace CONTINUES the ignorance by thinking NES resurrected gaming. As explained with the above at LJS9502_basic 's statement, is a bunch of BS. I mostly blame IGN and Wikipedia primarily for this. Wikipedia is partially better now but that means barely anything.

I mean this whole thread scares me because it shows me how much people will take spoon fed nonsense without doing research and some of these guys probably decided to cements these in their head for YEARS and probably would reject anything that is put in front of them that shows them otherwise. (Most not all of them, some may have looked at wrong sources or though certain gaming websites or media knew what they were talking about.)

It's tough because both of their contributions are so large. America is pretty much the start of videogames, whereas Japan is the start of mass-market videogames (NES/Playstation).

Japan's influence on videogame design over the 90s and early 2000s (Super Mario 64, FF7, OOT, MGS, RE, DDR, Pokemon) also can't be denied (with RE4 probably being the last Japanese game IMO to shake the entire industry).

But over the last half-decade or so it has been American game development out in front and setting the trends; GEoW and Uncharted for popularising TPS/cover mechanics and games like COD and Minecraft (is Minecraft American?) having huge online communities.

You do realize you haven't actually disputed anything I've said, right? All you're doing is just making up straw man arguments, and then knocking them down, trying to assume what I'm thinking even though I never actually said any of those things... Either there must be a problem with your reading comprehension at best, or you're purposefully being dishonest at worst.

Firstly, I never claimed the 2600 was on its "death bed" before 1980. While the VCS was more or less on its "death bed" in 1978 (due to the 1977 video game industry crash), after Space Invaders kick-started the Arcade Golden Age in 1978, the increasing interest in video games helped sales of the Atari VCS start picking up in 1979, but not enough to hit the mainstream. It wasn't until Space Invaders itself was ported to the VCS in 1980 that the console really launched into the mainstream, multiplying the console's sales because of how many people brought it just so they can play Space Invaders at home. That is why Space Invaders is widely regarded as the first killer app for a gaming console.

As for your little off-hand claims, I don't see what relevance they have to the debate. By "American parts", I assume you're referring to the Intel 8080 CPU, right? Because I'll have you know that, while Intel is an American company, the actual engineers who designed the 8080 were not: Federico Faggin was Italian and Masatoshi Shima was Japanese.

And finally, regarding your Asteroids claim, it was only in America where it eventually surpassed the sales of Space Invaders. In Japan and Europe (and Australia as well, IIRC), Space Invaders was still ruling the arcades.

Whie I won't state my choice yet, Most people don't realize which games come from which country or if a studio under a brand of one country is not at another. But the fact that most games are modeled after American games in the first place and some EU and JP "consoles" were modeled after those entirely in the first place. Like the SMS and NES being glorified Colecovisions. The latter existing entirely because of the Colecovision (I guess that could be applied to the SMS and MSX as well.)

Then there is a fact that a lot of studios can be owned by one regions brand but the studios could be in different countries. Like Dead to Rights technically.

But back to the thread...

I mean a lot of people here who describe their choice make little sense.

I mean other than Jag messing up and doing no research.

1. We have Krelian-co saying that japan brought gaming into existence which is very poorly worded and makes no sense at all.
2. You have LJS9502_basic saying Nintendo revived it when (if anyone comes at me I have back-up) the industry was already revived, the NES released the same time as the SMS and 7800, and the NES did not get a clear lead until 1988. With multiple articles praising all systems (mostly NES and 7800) at the time. There was no revival, it is random spin, I know the cause of it and it's actually the other two companies fault for not easy stopping the spread of it but that was years ago.
3. You have LegatoSkyheart saying that gaming died in the west and it was booming in Japan, when gaming was STILL booming in the U.S. on consoles and computers, it was companies that were hurt by the crash and retailers, and Europe was on a computer boom as well.
4. You have Lucianu believing that Sega and Nintendo created the console gaming market which is not explained enough to know what he is referring to and that he believes they both shaped countless genres is an overstatement because most genres were made with earlier consoles and arcades and older computers before both of those companies had consoles, and a lot of the future one were brought out by arcade and pc's.
5. xrockerboy is probably Krelian-co 's alt.
6. megaspiderweb09 says that japan made what gaming is today which is terribly vague and explains nothing so i am not sure what he is referring to.
7. Caseytappy think Atari was the first successful home consoles when that can be applied to the Fairchild which did well enough to make another system.
8. reaver-x believes the same thing LJS9502_basic does which just makes me wonder if gaming history will remain distorted 30 years from now. Then I shake my head and hope one day things will make sense.
9. farrell2k continues the trend of ignorance of thinking Nintendo saved something that was already fine and thinks it sold un opposed since it was named in a paper before release.
10. gameofthering takes on ignorance and covers it with another one that is less ignorant.
11. seanmcloughlin Continues the trend of ignorance to include all consoles in general would not have taken off.
12. blackace CONTINUES the ignorance by thinking NES resurrected gaming. As explained with the above at LJS9502_basic 's statement, is a bunch of BS. I mostly blame IGN and Wikipedia primarily for this. Wikipedia is partially better now but that means barely anything.

I mean this whole thread scares me because it shows me how much people will take spoon fed nonsense without doing research and some of these guys probably decided to cements these in their head for YEARS and probably would reject anything that is put in front of them that shows them otherwise. (Most not all of them, some may have looked at wrong sources or though certain gaming websites or media knew what they were talking about.)

So a bunch of "You're all wrong but I won't tell you the right answer"?

Considering the 8-32/64 bit completely belonged to Japan it's a no brainer, How ever now is all that matters and now they suck.

1. I did dispute what you said. You literally said the 2600 would not have taken off without Space Invaders. Period. Stiop hurting yourself, do research.

2.Yes you did, you said it would not take off. You literally said that. So that would means that industry would have stopped at some point. For who knows how long. So you pretty much stated it was on its death bed.

3.If you know nothing about my parts statement it would be best you look it up instead of answering while looking stupid.

4.Asteroids claim? Asteroids was not mentioned in my last post. There was a game that created the Apple II, a game whose very existence created space invaders a moved tens of thousands at arcades, and practically sold the first few million 2600's and is often not considered a killer app even though it technically was. That came before Space Invaders and the whole reason why you eve know what space invaders is.

Whie I won't state my choice yet, Most people don't realize which games come from which country or if a studio under a brand of one country is not at another. But the fact that most games are modeled after American games in the first place and some EU and JP "consoles" were modeled after those entirely in the first place. Like the SMS and NES being glorified Colecovisions. The latter existing entirely because of the Colecovision (I guess that could be applied to the SMS and MSX as well.)

Then there is a fact that a lot of studios can be owned by one regions brand but the studios could be in different countries. Like Dead to Rights technically.

But back to the thread...

I mean a lot of people here who describe their choice make little sense.

I mean other than Jag messing up and doing no research.

1. We have Krelian-co saying that japan brought gaming into existence which is very poorly worded and makes no sense at all.
2. You have LJS9502_basic saying Nintendo revived it when (if anyone comes at me I have back-up) the industry was already revived, the NES released the same time as the SMS and 7800, and the NES did not get a clear lead until 1988. With multiple articles praising all systems (mostly NES and 7800) at the time. There was no revival, it is random spin, I know the cause of it and it's actually the other two companies fault for not easy stopping the spread of it but that was years ago.
3. You have LegatoSkyheart saying that gaming died in the west and it was booming in Japan, when gaming was STILL booming in the U.S. on consoles and computers, it was companies that were hurt by the crash and retailers, and Europe was on a computer boom as well.
4. You have Lucianu believing that Sega and Nintendo created the console gaming market which is not explained enough to know what he is referring to and that he believes they both shaped countless genres is an overstatement because most genres were made with earlier consoles and arcades and older computers before both of those companies had consoles, and a lot of the future one were brought out by arcade and pc's.
5. xrockerboy is probably Krelian-co 's alt.
6. megaspiderweb09 says that japan made what gaming is today which is terribly vague and explains nothing so i am not sure what he is referring to.
7. Caseytappy think Atari was the first successful home consoles when that can be applied to the Fairchild which did well enough to make another system.
8. reaver-x believes the same thing LJS9502_basic does which just makes me wonder if gaming history will remain distorted 30 years from now. Then I shake my head and hope one day things will make sense.
9. farrell2k continues the trend of ignorance of thinking Nintendo saved something that was already fine and thinks it sold un opposed since it was named in a paper before release.
10. gameofthering takes on ignorance and covers it with another one that is less ignorant.
11. seanmcloughlin Continues the trend of ignorance to include all consoles in general would not have taken off.
12. blackace CONTINUES the ignorance by thinking NES resurrected gaming. As explained with the above at LJS9502_basic 's statement, is a bunch of BS. I mostly blame IGN and Wikipedia primarily for this. Wikipedia is partially better now but that means barely anything.

I mean this whole thread scares me because it shows me how much people will take spoon fed nonsense without doing research and some of these guys probably decided to cements these in their head for YEARS and probably would reject anything that is put in front of them that shows them otherwise. (Most not all of them, some may have looked at wrong sources or though certain gaming websites or media knew what they were talking about.)

Both really. America had a big hand in starting video games with Pong, but Japan actually resurrected it when Nintendo released the NES.

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Complicated? LMAO!!! Are you stupid or what. There were a huge number of PC gamers in America creating and playing games back then including guys like Mark Cerny, Bill Budge, Jason Rubin & Larry Rosenthal. I owned a Atari 800 and my friend had the Commadore 64 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commador_64) . Also the crash was only with game consoles and not PC games. What game consoles were out in the UK in 1983? Games continued to flourish in US, it just moved over to the PC.

Just like before World War 2, the Americans are good at inventions (no brainer there since US is a multicultural nation with lots of immigrants compared to homogenous Japan) while the Japanese are good at copying and creating new stuff from it. Pacman, Space Invaders, Donkey Kong, Super Mario, etc. all have tremendous influence on the video game history forever. Although Atari started the console business, it never had any mascot that greatly influenced the industry. From 1980s to PS2 gen, Japanese games dominated consoles and handhelds. PC is and has always been more Western oriented (Japan mostly creates only visual novels for PC) while handhelds remain at the hands of the Japanese. I don't think I've ever heard of any success story for a Western-made handheld. Right now though, Japan no longer has significant influence on the video game industry. Not to mention, its low birth rate isn't gonna help.

Both of these regions are pretty equal in terms of influence and importance. Off the top of my head, SEGA and Nintendo basically created the current console gaming market and shaped countless genres into existence. Video RPGs wouldn't exist without D&D which spawned Ultima and Wizardry, two series that created the RPG genre as a whole, id Software are responsible for shaping up the first person shooter genre.

I guess the choice is solely going to depend with what region you've had the most exposure, and how knowledgeable you are with each region's achievements in the gaming industry. Overall, i think they're both around equal, considering console and PC gaming.

And this post right here is just as bad. How did the NES mass market video games? Sm64 is the only game on that list that can be debated to have affected the industry as a whole in design, and as i said, that is debatable.

Japan. Anyone who says differently is WRONG.

1. Metal Gear

2. Mario

3. Legend of Zelda

4. Tekken

5.Street Fighter

6. Final Fantasy

7. Metroid

8. Donkey Kong

9. Gran Turismo

10. Dragon Quest

Need I say more..