Which Made the Greater Imrovement - GTA4 - 5? or AC3 - 4?

Both games, VASTLY improved over their predecessor... Both games, arguably the best in the franchise... Both games deserved of GOTY considerations... Which franchise was most improved by their respective developer?

Despite AC3, being an adequate game that left a horrid taste in your mouth as an Assassins Creed game, AC4 is just way above and beyond what I thought this franchise had left in it. The core gameplay has never been treated to better parkour, nor has it found such a perfect harmony with another gameplay element like ship navigation and combat, being done so crazy good. Beyond this, the side activities, such as whaling, treasure hunting, clearing outposts and collecting are easily the most well thought out additions to the formula, maybe ever.

GTA5 is the sequel to a piece of shit known as GTA4, so naturally it would have an easier time showing improvement even if it wasn't spectacular... Luckily for GTA5, it's pretty effin spectacular... Easily the most accessible GTA to date, with the finest controls in all aspects (except the submarine.. blah) the franchise has seen in the 3d perspective. Both missions, sidequests and activities, a titanic leap over the borefest R* passed off as a GTA game in 2008. The addition of flying, ocean diving and desert dirtbiking among others, adds a far greater depth to the do anything, go anywhere vibe a GTA game goes for.

Having not played AC4 yet, or played GTA4, I can't exactly say either.

But I would say the bigger jump in the AC series was probably 1 to 2. Turned from a B tier game to one of the defining franchises of the gen.

Both are buggy and over hyped.

LMFAO GTA4-5 and its not even close.

AC4 is a better game than AC3 but it still has a lot of the same problems. Combat is meh, the modern day story is trash and it has some of the worst main story missions of any open world game. AC4 is a good game in a mediocre franchise. GTA5 is an incredible game in one of the best franchises in gaming history.

GTA IV to V is the bigger improvement.

ACIV still has broken free running, crappy combat and the same recycled missions

I watched your video on it, dat free running.

Neither one of them are anything special. Good games no doubt, fun to play n all, but they aren't great.

I guess GTAV is the bigger improvement since IV was kind of lame. AC4 doesn't seem very different from past iterations.

Ouch clyde... overhyped? mmm, I may give you that one.... Of course I think every game is overhyped... even the ones I hype myself. haha, but buggy? I can't say i've run into a single bug over the two games, with the exception of a game breaking bug in GTA5 that made me have to back up 4 or 5 saves.

combat... yep its the same.

Recycled missions.... hmmm, is it fair that the missions are made far more fun given the added emphasis on stealth with stalking zones... I just did a 20 minute long mission that consisted of at least a dozen or so take downs in full stealth, never being detected. WHile I agree AC4 didnt reinvent the mission formula, they are strangely more fun this time.

I can't say I agree on the free running. I am constantly locked in great free runs, with improved object detection over past creeds. I actually think they did the game the greatest service here.

Dude, look at your original post and how it got formatted. C'mon, you miss that ol' GameSpot as much as I do!

I haven't played GTAV yet but damn is AC4 good. So much better than 3 and I think I'm enjoying it more than 2 so far. Might just be the honey moon phase though.

It gets better believe it or not... I didn't believe it either. enjoy. Kinda want to talk to @seanmcloughlin about his free running mishaps... The first 2 hours of AC4 felt like more AC and then it just all got awesome....

sigh... I know. I actually tried to move it around too and said **** it. I do like many features on the new gamespot though Blab! I do....

Exactly. "Chase down that guy" and the character jumps everywhere you DON'T want him to

I don't see how the free running is broken, I mean I haven't once in my 20hrs with the game ran into issues with the free running that wasn't my fault. And what exactly is crappy about the combat? I mean I try not to be in it much since you can stealth a lot of the game.

When you try make the character run through a very packed environment they will almost always run somewhere you don't want them to, I though it was me not aiming the character right sometimes but even when I do the character seems to leap in crazy directions. Also not being able to just run off a building to the ground without jumping to something else or having to hang and THEN drop down is tedious and annoying

The combat is crap because there's not much to it, it tries to mimick the flow of the Batman game's combat but it isn't nearly as responsive. Not only that but after countering and killing one dude you can just insta kill everyone else in one big chain. It's extremely shallow

I still haven't tried mine again. I sent you a PM a little while ago. Go answer it :P

I'm liking Assassin's Creed 4 a hell of a lot more than I liked GTAV.

Both really great games, but I feel like there's more reason to explore and more things to do in AC4.

Way bigger improvement. But the only reason is because AC3 was buggy as hell.

I though GTAIV was great after I gave it a second chance. The only huge improvement I see is graphics and car customization.

Your character can run to the ground without hanging. It's about finding a path. Like I said when I had these issues, I wanted to blame the game but I knew damn well I messed it up.

It's a game based on stealth, it has enough to make it so you can't always mash the attack button. It doesn't really try to do anything like Batman. It tries to do what it has been doing, before Batman.

I actually agree with your thoughts on AC4... there is more purpose in exploration (though as we know that doesnt' always equate to a better game) still Ac4 is packed to the gills and all of it worthy of your efforts.

I can't agree however with the GTA thoughts... I gave GTA4 a second chance too... for me it went from shit to laughable shit. Gtav was a massive improvement in so many ways.

@TheEroica: Yea I just finished the mission to get the diving bell, I really like that new feature. I do wish though that there would be an easier way to acquire money/materials to upgrade your boat, sorta feels grindy and I loved the option to buy stores and stuff in the earlier games to get money.

See I liked that being removed. Money means more when I actually have to earn it, rather than let the game periodically just give it to me.

I shouldn't have to find a path, I should be able to just run straight off walls or low rooftops to the ground to get away faster. The free running system simply just doesn't allow for it.

Also the game isn't absed around stealth because its stealth mechanics are really weak. It's better than the previous games but a stealth game where you can't even crouch? please. The game is based around speed and mobility. It makes some decent attempts at stealth some times but it's not organic. There are very clear laid out patches of grass or bushes etc and guards conveniently walking up to them. Any attempts at proper stealth from multiple angles has guards spotting you a mile away forcing you to turn around

I really want to like the game because it's better than AC III but it just doesn't feel quite there yet

@-RPGamer-: I do feel the same way, but I loved being able to 'fix' the towns I think that's what I miss most.

You shouldn't have to find a path? Saying that is like saying you shouldn't have to worry about enemies seeing you in stealth games, or aim in a shooter. It's a game system, and like any good game system it requires some skill.

You don't need to crotch to be a stealth game. Way to shoehorn stealth into a very limited design. Speed and mobility while being unseen is part of the package. I disagree whole heatedly than there are not multiple angles, many areas give you options.

I really like the game despite being slightly displeased after ACIII.

No it's a limitation of the free running and animations system, you're just making excuses for it. An open world sandbox type game shouldn't funnel you into any paths, it should let you do what you want.

You don't NEED to crouch, but it should be part of your arsenal. I said there were multiple angles but the game highlights obvious better ones at times

Maybe for me it was because the first time I played it I absolutely hated it. I had it hyped off the charts. So when I actually played it again I was expecting complete shit. It was better than I expected it to be going back in.

I thought the career for GTAV was lackluster. Characters were great, but I didn't really feel any kind of build up or excitement. When I finished it I was just thinking "I guess they're going to create an add on for the satisfaction I was expecting." Given the great character development I expected more from the missions themselves.

And giving me all the money at the end when I'd already beaten the campaign didn't make much sense because I probably won't be playing it anytime soon after that. I played too much grand theft auto already. Just running around to mess with the cops and kill civilians got old to me years ago.

I liked them both though, no hate (Just disappointment.)

I don't feel like I'm making excuses for something I get to work on a consistent basis. It does let you do what you want, finding the cleanest path is not limiting you any more than driving around in GTA and sticking to the roads rather than back alleys b/c they're easier to drive down >_>.

Why is it needed? I've never needed to crotch. Work with what you have, not complain about what you don't. Maybe the designers don't think you need a crotch as they give you plenty of others means.

The game does lead the gamer (as most games will highlight the route most common). That doesn't mean other, better routes are missing from the package.

@NoirLamia777: I miss the shops too... Not the same "shops" system as ac3 though... The ezio shops.

GTA5. It improved everything from the the previous game and made the whole experience better. Shooting, driving, missions, comedy, art style, characters, you name it, it got better.

ACI-II is probably still the biggest single improvement I've ever seen in a franchise. The two sequels listed here (especially GTA IV to GTA V) aren't massive improvements over their previous entries in my opinion.

You clearly like the game and that's great, good for you. I'm not trying to change your opinion on it.

I'm simply pointing out things I find wrong with the design that could be improved upon.

I'm going to stop now because we're gonna keep going around in circles,

Yea, those are the ones I miss too :(

I didn't really think GTA V improved over GTA IV. Played both about the same way - dicked around for ~10 hours, got bored and quit.

AC4 is noticeably better than AC3 though.

GTA IV to GTA V there's no contest.

Well ACIII was a highlight and a triumph of last generation, so there's not much to improve upon that.

I'll say GTA

If you hold RT+B (R2+circle) Edward will jump downwards when, for example, coming to the edge of a building, even if there is another building within reach.

never played the ass bleed games past assbleed 1......

but gta 5 was a colossal failure to me,

I replayed gta 4 sp more than 3x,

I cant even go back to sp at all,

that uncanny valley effect I guess

Is this a fair comparison considering AC is a yearly release?

I havent player AC4 yet but GTAV improved on every single aspect. Brilliant sequel!

Serious?

Will he actually just run off to the ground? If so then I will take back what I said about that and admit I was wrong

I always found it annoying to be chasing a guy or being chased and just wanting to sprint off a low building to ground level but it was never that easy or fluid

I haven't played AC IV, but to be fair I hated every single game in the series so I doubt that I will like that one

so gta IV to gta V easily. Like you said gta IV was a piece of shit and gta V / online is easily the game I played the most this gen

It kind of works like you want it. Edward does jump downwards, but sometimes there could be like a pole or something he grabs onto. Also note you need to hold the buttons for it to work. It's also useful when you are siiting on like say one of those ropes across the streets. Just hold RT+B and then move the stick and Edward jumps down.

Basically the parkour is one button (RT) and then there are three modifiers (hold corresponding button + RT): A = dangerous jumps/vaults, X = Running assassinations, B = jump downwards. This is not explained at all in the manual or tutorials so not many understand this :).

But overall I agree with you that parkour is too spazzy and unprecise despite these features. It works for casually exploring the world, but when you are put under pressure such in chase or tail missions it's just not good enough sadly. But to me the game has so many qualities that compensates!

AC4 hands down. That naval combat and huge open world to navigate beats boring GTA5.

Free running works wonderfully for me, on keyboard/mouse though. But some remaping is necessary.

Free run - Space

Parry - F

Quick Walking = Shift

Tool - E

I hate playing this game with a controller. So imprecise.

GTAV

GTA V. This is not even a question.

Imo both did huge improvements and being a fan of both series its hard for me to decide which improved most !!