which system has the most momentum? ps3 or 360?

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#1 tondeezy
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which system is coming out with the best first party titles and which do you think will have the best future this gen?

i personally think the ps3

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I personally agree
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PS3. '09 might finally be its year.

Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt, I'm a well known Cow.

Sony is God.

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Yep PS3.
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PS3. '09 might finally be its year.

Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt, I'm a well known Cow.

Sony is God.

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With FF13 coming this winter and maybe GT5...could be, could be.

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#6 Nonstop-Madness
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PS3.
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Ps3, best of all i dont need worry about disc read error when i try enjoy the games :P

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PS3. '09 might finally be its year.

Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt, I'm a well known Cow.

Sony is God.

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Sarcastic Aljosa is sarcastic.
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#9 Nonstop-Madness
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PS3 because with the PS3 its like your on a roller coaster and your just going up the roller coaster slowly and them BOOM !!!! your off. That my analogy for this year. The boom comes at E3.
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PS3 - KZ2 - Uncharted 2 - Heavy Rain - GT5 - GOW3 - Vidzone - Whatever is announced at E3
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#11 TREAL_Since
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PS3. '09 might finally be its year.

Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt, I'm a well known Cow.

Sony is God.

Aljosa23

Technically one could make an argument that 2008 was PS3's year as well. More 2 AAAE and 1 AAAAE :o. But sales went to the 360.

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#12 opex07
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Hasn't the PS3's sales been down when compared to last years at this time sales, wouldn't that suggest its momentum is going down?

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First it was 2006, then 2007, then 2008, now it's just the future? :lol: The 360 has at least, as good a future as the PS3. I'm not a fortune teller, though...So I don't know. But, since you guys are, can one of you tell me where my Uncle Buck DVD went? It's not on my DVD shelf, and I can't find it.
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Hasn't the PS3's sales been down when compared to last years at this time sales, wouldn't that suggest its momentum is going down?

opex07
- Probably so. It's weird because sales may be going down, but amazing game count is going up! - A price cut will help of course. Another impressive thing is that the PS3 is actually selling as well as it is at $400. If it were the same price of the 360 would it be ahead?
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#15 tondeezy
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also who cares about sales?

not me

they dont mean much

especially they dont decide the better system

ps3 is just on a roll right now

an developers are begining to grasp it

so we will see how these next exclusives turn out

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First it was 2006, then 2007, then 2008, now it's just the future? :lol: The 360 has at least, as good a future as the PS3. I'm not a fortune teller, though...So I don't know. But, since you guys are, can one of you tell me where my Uncle Buck DVD went? It's not on my DVD shelf, and I can't find it.MortalDecay
Depends what were are talking about. This thread is about games not sales.

Game Wise:

360: 2006 & 2007
PS3: 2008 & 20??

Judging from the big blockbuster games in PS3's future I'd say it's more promising (judging from track records). Who knows though.

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PS3 definitely has the momentum... The 360 & Wii have both run their courses.
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#18 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="opex07"]

Hasn't the PS3's sales been down when compared to last years at this time sales, wouldn't that suggest its momentum is going down?

- Probably so. It's weird because sales may be going down, but amazing game count is going up! - A price cut will help of course. Another impressive thing is that the PS3 is actually selling as well as it is at $400. If it were the same price of the 360 would it be ahead?

Too bad a console' success is measured by sales, and not based on opinions like how good the games may, or may not be. Take a look at the Wii...The games suck, but it's in a incredible success.
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]First it was 2006, then 2007, then 2008, now it's just the future? :lol: The 360 has at least, as good a future as the PS3. I'm not a fortune teller, though...So I don't know. But, since you guys are, can one of you tell me where my Uncle Buck DVD went? It's not on my DVD shelf, and I can't find it.TREAL_Since

Depends what were are talking about. This thread is about games not sales.

Game Wise:

360: 2006 & 2007
PS3: 2008 & 20??

Judging from the big blockbuster games in PS3's future I'd say it's more promising (judging from track records). Who knows though.

Again, a console success isn't measured by opinion. That's all the game talk is. Opinion.

Success is based on sales. Sales of both hardware, and software. The 360 has both.

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PS3 definitely has the momentum... The 360 & Wii have both run their courses.hrt_rulz01
- I don't think the 360 has run it's course. MS should keep supporting it like they did in 2007! That year was epic. Who cares if 360 graphics won't get too much better than Gears of War 2? Keep making quality games. I seriously hope MS doesn't release another console in 2011 - Wii... Yes! A new Wii HD would be awesome IMO. Better graphics and more hardcore Ninty games :D.
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#21 MortalDecay
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PS3 definitely has the momentum... The 360 & Wii have both run their courses.hrt_rulz01
Really? Someone should tell the people that are buying more Wiis and 360s than PS3s.
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I think the 360 still has strong momentum, based on exclusive DLC and some Multiplats, but is slowing down considerably...but, the PS3 is picking up momentum like a runaway train down the side of a mountain. If things continue going the way they are, the 360 will be in trouble.

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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]First it was 2006, then 2007, then 2008, now it's just the future? :lol: The 360 has at least, as good a future as the PS3. I'm not a fortune teller, though...So I don't know. But, since you guys are, can one of you tell me where my Uncle Buck DVD went? It's not on my DVD shelf, and I can't find it.MortalDecay

Depends what were are talking about. This thread is about games not sales.

Game Wise:

360: 2006 & 2007
PS3: 2008 & 20??

Judging from the big blockbuster games in PS3's future I'd say it's more promising (judging from track records). Who knows though.

Again, a console success isn't measured by opinion. That's all the game talk is. Opinion.

Success is based on sales. Sales of both hardware, and software. The 360 has both.

But... this... thread... is... about... games... But yeah, the 360 has been in the lead as far as sales no doubt. One thing though. I could give a damn about sales. I look at the games!

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[QUOTE="opex07"]

Hasn't the PS3's sales been down when compared to last years at this time sales, wouldn't that suggest its momentum is going down?

TREAL_Since

- Probably so. It's weird because sales may be going down, but amazing game count is going up! - A price cut will help of course. Another impressive thing is that the PS3 is actually selling as well as it is at $400. If it were the same price of the 360 would it be ahead?

I don't know, but I feel that the PS3 gets some of its sales due to it having a blu-ray player, and in order for the PS3 to be the same price as the 360, it probably couldn't be sold with a blu-ray player due to manufacturing costs, because of this it would probably loose some of its sales, but gain some aswell due to a lower price.

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#25 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="hrt_rulz01"]PS3 definitely has the momentum... The 360 & Wii have both run their courses.TREAL_Since
- I don't think the 360 has run it's course. MS should keep supporting it like they did in 2007! That year was epic. Who cares if 360 graphics won't get too much better than Gears of War 2? Keep making quality games. I seriously hope MS doesn't release another console in 2011 - Wii... Yes! A new Wii HD would be awesome IMO. Better graphics and more hardcore Ninty games :D.

Why do people just say stuff like this with absolutely no proof, at all? They're setting themself up for some major shoe-horning
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="hrt_rulz01"]PS3 definitely has the momentum... The 360 & Wii have both run their courses.MortalDecay
- I don't think the 360 has run it's course. MS should keep supporting it like they did in 2007! That year was epic. Who cares if 360 graphics won't get too much better than Gears of War 2? Keep making quality games. I seriously hope MS doesn't release another console in 2011 - Wii... Yes! A new Wii HD would be awesome IMO. Better graphics and more hardcore Ninty games :D.

Why do people just say stuff like this with absolutely no proof, at all? They're setting themself up for some major shoe-horning

All I'm saying is that *I don't care* if the graphics don't get noticeably better than Gears of War. I didn't say they won't get better. They very well could with Gears of War 3. I'm satisfied with the 360 and I seriously hope it remains until at least 2012-2013.
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#27 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] Depends what were are talking about. This thread is about games not sales.

Game Wise:

360: 2006 & 2007
PS3: 2008 & 20??

Judging from the big blockbuster games in PS3's future I'd say it's more promising (judging from track records). Who knows though.

TREAL_Since

Again, a console success isn't measured by opinion. That's all the game talk is. Opinion.

Success is based on sales. Sales of both hardware, and software. The 360 has both.

But... this... thread... is... about... games... But yeah, the 360 has been in the lead as far as sales no doubt. One thing though. I could give a damn about sales. I look at the games!

So...basically this thread is rigged. The PS3 is a huge success, because you believe it has the better games. It doesn't matter how many people disagree. But, ok...MS has the has the better games as well...It doesn't matter how well Sony thinks they make a great game, like another thread pointed out earlier, they all fizzle out in a month or two. What kind of success is that?

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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="opex07"]

Hasn't the PS3's sales been down when compared to last years at this time sales, wouldn't that suggest its momentum is going down?

opex07

- Probably so. It's weird because sales may be going down, but amazing game count is going up! - A price cut will help of course. Another impressive thing is that the PS3 is actually selling as well as it is at $400. If it were the same price of the 360 would it be ahead?

I don't know, but I feel that the PS3 gets some of its sales due to it having a blu-ray player, and in order for the PS3 to be the same price as the 360, it probably couldn't be sold with a blu-ray player due to manufacturing costs, because of this it would probably loose some of its sales, but gain some aswell due to a lower price.

Yeah, Blu-ray is holding Sony back. The PS3 will most likely never be the same exact price as the 360 (not until next gen). They've don'e a good job cutting prices so far though.
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Again, a console success isn't measured by opinion. That's all the game talk is. Opinion.

Success is based on sales. Sales of both hardware, and software. The 360 has both.

MortalDecay

But... this... thread... is... about... games... But yeah, the 360 has been in the lead as far as sales no doubt. One thing though. I could give a damn about sales. I look at the games!

So...basically this thread is rigged. The PS3 is a huge success, because you believe it has the better games. It doesn't matter how many people disagree. But, ok...MS has the has the better games as well...It doesn't matter how well Sony thinks they make a great game, like another thread pointed out earlier, they all fizzle out in a month or two. What kind of success is that?

- Great thing about opinions. And everyone seems to clinge to them when it is to their advantage. Call the thread what you want. It is what it is. How many OPINIONATED thread are there in SW? Almost all of the are, so meh.

- Take Forza 1 and GT4 for example. Some people will have you believe Forza 1 is a better game by fact. But it isn't. It's just better by 'popular opinion'.

- What do you mean about "fizzle out"?

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360 currently since it's still riding off of it's price cut from last year. If the PS3 was cheaper, it'd probably be more even.

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First it was 2006, then 2007, then 2008, now it's just the future? :lol: The 360 has at least, as good a future as the PS3. I'm not a fortune teller, though...So I don't know. But, since you guys are, can one of you tell me where my Uncle Buck DVD went? It's not on my DVD shelf, and I can't find it.MortalDecay

It beat out 360 last year, didn't it? This year looks like an annihilation.

Try coming back when MS actually announces something to look forward to in the 360 :P

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Should've polled this but I'm sure most are thinking PS3, me included.
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#33 FirstDiscovery
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The PS3 is going strong, Sony's first party have done an excellent job With that said, the 360 has been good too, even this year.
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Again, a console success isn't measured by opinion. That's all the game talk is. Opinion.

Success is based on sales. Sales of both hardware, and software. The 360 has both.

MortalDecay

But... this... thread... is... about... games... But yeah, the 360 has been in the lead as far as sales no doubt. One thing though. I could give a damn about sales. I look at the games!

So...basically this thread is rigged. The PS3 is a huge success, because you believe it has the better games. It doesn't matter how many people disagree. But, ok...MS has the has the better games as well...It doesn't matter how well Sony thinks they make a great game, like another thread pointed out earlier, they all fizzle out in a month or two. What kind of success is that?

i agree with Mortal decay fully. Opinions we all can have, true is a different story. And i second lionheart comment, 360 price cut is a big advantage specially in recession times, offering similar graphical powerhorse and a relative similar amount of attractive titles.So at worse is too even to be sure(between those 2).Wii has nearly doubled the launch titles of AA-AAA titles since last year.so its doing alright too.
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PS3!
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] But... this... thread... is... about... games... But yeah, the 360 has been in the lead as far as sales no doubt. One thing though. I could give a damn about sales. I look at the games!

intro94

So...basically this thread is rigged. The PS3 is a huge success, because you believe it has the better games. It doesn't matter how many people disagree. But, ok...MS has the has the better games as well...It doesn't matter how well Sony thinks they make a great game, like another thread pointed out earlier, they all fizzle out in a month or two. What kind of success is that?

i agree with Mortal decay fully. Opinions we all can have, true is a different story. And i second lionheart comment, 360 price cut is a big advantage specially in recession times, offering similar graphical powerhorse and a relative similar amount of attractive titles.So at worse is too even to be sure(between those 2).Wii has nearly doubled the launch titles of AA-AAA titles since last year.so its doing alright too.

Yeah I agree with him too. Thing is... SW is 70% opinions.
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Neither, gaming has been boring lately.

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IMO, PS3, the 360 hasn't had any huge hits lately like the PS3, although, that in no way, negates the 360's library.

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PS3 looks to be the winner on promising upcoming first party games. I guess we'll see what Microsoft and Nintendo have up their sleeves come E3.
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#40 obamanian
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which system is coming out with the best first party titles and which do you think will have the best future this gen?

i personally think the ps3

tondeezy

Well, considering 360 outsells PS3 every month, it is clearly 360

It has the best version of multipltforms, the biggest upcoming exclusives and console exclusives and the biggest game library with huge quality titles, than short shooters only

And costs 199$, half the PS3 price at that, and every model has BC

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The 360 had a great start but the PS3 is starting to gain some momentum as well.

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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Again, a console success isn't measured by opinion. That's all the game talk is. Opinion.

Success is based on sales. Sales of both hardware, and software. The 360 has both.

MortalDecay

But... this... thread... is... about... games... But yeah, the 360 has been in the lead as far as sales no doubt. One thing though. I could give a damn about sales. I look at the games!

So...basically this thread is rigged. The PS3 is a huge success, because you believe it has the better games. It doesn't matter how many people disagree. But, ok...MS has the has the better games as well...It doesn't matter how well Sony thinks they make a great game, like another thread pointed out earlier, they all fizzle out in a month or two. What kind of success is that?

So, we've stopped using Gamespot scores a sign of a good game in System Wars? Oh right, you're a Lemming, so now we're going completely on sales right? :) Well, in that case, Wii wins.

Now, for the people who actually play games...
The PS3 currently looks set to win out in quality exclusives, however, that could all change at E3, so don't count the 360 or Wii out.

And Disclaimer - I don't agree with many of GS scores, however, this is System Wars, where only GS scores count, so we use those.

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PS3 ALLLLL the way.Unbeatable line up for 2009.
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which system is coming out with the best first party titles and which do you think will have the best future this gen?

i personally think the ps3

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For first party titles so far this year it's been Killzone 2, MLB 2009, Demon's Souls, Socom and (soon) Infamous for Sony and Halo Wars & Ninja Blade for Microsoft. So the PS3 is coming out with the best 1st party titles. As for the best future, the rest of 2009 looks better for the PS3 but who knows about 2010 and onwards.
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PS3 clearly. The XBOX 360 did have a hell of a run though.

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#47 obamanian
Member since 2008 • 3351 Posts

LOL, Lemmings never stop amazing me.

Do yall really think the momentum the OP was talking about had ANYTHING TO DO WITH SALES? Really, I mean Really?

With the release of KZ2 in February and the reviews of the European release of Demon Souls and then the upcoming titles from Sony with Infamous, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, GOWIII, GT5, I think its without a doubt the PS3 carrying the torch this year NO matter what MS does good or bad, but with the bad scoring exclusives they have been releasing this year they have a huge hill to climb.

At this point in time I would put the PS3 having quality titles and the 360 putting out quantity (shovel ware). Hence the ps3 having the momentum, no matter the sales. Alot of people have bought wii's also but that doesn't mean it is a quality console to purchase.

GreyFoXX4

Sorry, what you call "shovel ware" is actually more interesting for me than 99% of PS3 short lived overhyped titles

Frankly i do not see PS3 having anything like Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Mass Effect 2, Star Ocean 4, Two Worlds Temptation, Venetica, Divinity 2, Dungeon hero, 2D XBLA RPG, Alan Wake, KUF2etc

It lineup is mainly Demon Soul, and GOW3, Heavy Rainto a lesser extend, but it games are not even close to the quality of 360 titles above

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#48 Malta_1980
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

LOL, Lemmings never stop amazing me.

Do yall really think the momentum the OP was talking about had ANYTHING TO DO WITH SALES? Really, I mean Really?

With the release of KZ2 in February and the reviews of the European release of Demon Souls and then the upcoming titles from Sony with Infamous, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, GOWIII, GT5, I think its without a doubt the PS3 carrying the torch this year NO matter what MS does good or bad, but with the bad scoring exclusives they have been releasing this year they have a huge hill to climb.

At this point in time I would put the PS3 having quality titles and the 360 putting out quantity (shovel ware). Hence the ps3 having the momentum, no matter the sales. Alot of people have bought wii's also but that doesn't mean it is a quality console to purchase.

obamanian

Sorry, what you call "shovel ware" is actually more interesting for me than 99% of PS3 short lived overhyped titles

Frankly i do not see PS3 having anything like Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Mass Effect 2, Star Ocean 4, Two Worlds Temptation, Venetica, Divinity 2, Dungeon hero, 2D XBLA RPG, Alan Wake, KUF2etc

It lineup is mainly Demon Soul, and GOW3, Heavy Rainto a lesser extend, but it games are not even close to the quality of 360 titles above

Lol you had to include the game... again..... :)

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#49 freeloader_101
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

LOL, Lemmings never stop amazing me.

Do yall really think the momentum the OP was talking about had ANYTHING TO DO WITH SALES? Really, I mean Really?

With the release of KZ2 in February and the reviews of the European release of Demon Souls and then the upcoming titles from Sony with Infamous, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, GOWIII, GT5, I think its without a doubt the PS3 carrying the torch this year NO matter what MS does good or bad, but with the bad scoring exclusives they have been releasing this year they have a huge hill to climb.

At this point in time I would put the PS3 having quality titles and the 360 putting out quantity (shovel ware). Hence the ps3 having the momentum, no matter the sales. Alot of people have bought wii's also but that doesn't mean it is a quality console to purchase.

obamanian

Sorry, what you call "shovel ware" is actually more interesting for me than 99% of PS3 short lived overhyped titles

Frankly i do not see PS3 having anything like Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Mass Effect 2, Star Ocean 4, Two Worlds Temptation, Venetica, Divinity 2, Dungeon hero, 2D XBLA RPG, Alan Wake, KUF2etc

It lineup is mainly Demon Soul, and GOW3, Heavy Rainto a lesser extend, but it games are not even close to the quality of 360 titles above

But for me what you call "Haze" is more interesting than entire line up 360 combined X 10.The 360 line up is just overrated,over hyped,un successful piece of crap. Frankly i do not see 360 having any good exclusive at all :S .I finished Mass 2,fallout 3 (more than complete version) and rest all on my PC.Alan Wait is certainly the most over hyped game ever and will end up scoring A.We have heard nothing much about Two Worlds apart from a couple of CGI or computer rendered pics and it will probably get cancelled.And the other ones youve mentioned are not even heard of. Ps3 line up is certainly better than 360s,Grand turismo 5,Infamous,Heavy Rain,God of War III,FF13 vs,Demon Soul...etc...Far more entertaining than 360s floped line up of multiplats. Sorry but the harder you try the more you look funny.
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#50 The_Brodeo
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

LOL, Lemmings never stop amazing me.

Do yall really think the momentum the OP was talking about had ANYTHING TO DO WITH SALES? Really, I mean Really?

With the release of KZ2 in February and the reviews of the European release of Demon Souls and then the upcoming titles from Sony with Infamous, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, GOWIII, GT5, I think its without a doubt the PS3 carrying the torch this year NO matter what MS does good or bad, but with the bad scoring exclusives they have been releasing this year they have a huge hill to climb.

At this point in time I would put the PS3 having quality titles and the 360 putting out quantity (shovel ware). Hence the ps3 having the momentum, no matter the sales. Alot of people have bought wii's also but that doesn't mean it is a quality console to purchase.

obamanian

Sorry, what you call "shovel ware" is actually more interesting for me than 99% of PS3 short lived overhyped titles

Frankly i do not see PS3 having anything like Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Mass Effect 2, Star Ocean 4, Two Worlds Temptation, Venetica, Divinity 2, Dungeon hero, 2D XBLA RPG, Alan Wake, KUF2etc

It lineup is mainly Demon Soul, and GOW3, Heavy Rainto a lesser extend, but it games are not even close to the quality of 360 titles above

Uncharted 2 trumps your entire list. Your list is also a little to RPGcentric which is of no interest to me.