Who do you think will release the first next gen console?

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Personally i think Nintendo.

Me too, but I couldn't really explain why.

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

Olimar_the_Min

Tons of money > Internet fanboys.

[QUOTE="Olimar_the_Min"]

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

Stats_

Tons of money > Internet fanboys.

sony, they probably cant wait to forget the ps3 and start fresh.

I'm thinking nintendo too.

Nintendo, and I can see SONY pulling PS3 joint PS4 thing last.

Sony. The sonner they can move on the the PS4, the better for them.

MS and Nintendo are in good places right now.

Sony. The sonner they can move on the the PS4, the better for them.

MS and Nintendo are in good places right now.

goblaa

Really? If anything the PS3 is in a good place atm. It just got a price drop, sales will increase, and it's finally getting adecentlibrary of exclusives...

MS should be a little worried atm. MS needs to do something big soon..... it seems they are putting all their eggs into the Natal basket, but thats not til later next year. MS needs to do a price drop.... really... if Sony can put a BR Drive in a PS3 and make a profit by selling the machine at $299, then MS should be able to sell the Elite at $199 and still make a profit.

I think Ninty will release theirs first. So far as quality and standards go, Ninty are too far behind imo. The Wii's shelf life isn't as long as many people think it is.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Sony. The sonner they can move on the the PS4, the better for them.

MS and Nintendo are in good places right now.

whatisazerg

Really? If anything the PS3 is in a good place atm. It just got a price drop, sales will increase, and it's finally getting adecentlibrary of exclusives...

MS should be a little worried atm. MS needs to do something big soon..... it seems they are putting all their eggs into the Natal basket, but thats not til later next year. MS needs to do a price drop.... really... if Sony can put a BR Drive in a PS3 and make a profit by selling the machine at $299, then MS should be able to sell the Elite at $199 and still make a profit.

I would be very surprised if there's no 360 price drop before the holiday season.

Apple

I would love MS to release a new system in 2011.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Sony. The sonner they can move on the the PS4, the better for them.

MS and Nintendo are in good places right now.

whatisazerg

Really? If anything the PS3 is in a good place atm. It just got a price drop, sales will increase, and it's finally getting adecentlibrary of exclusives...

MS should be a little worried atm. MS needs to do something big soon..... it seems they are putting all their eggs into the Natal basket, but thats not til later next year. MS needs to do a price drop.... really... if Sony can put a BR Drive in a PS3 and make a profit by selling the machine at $299, then MS should be able to sell the Elite at $199 and still make a profit.

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[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Sony. The sonner they can move on the the PS4, the better for them.

MS and Nintendo are in good places right now.

G-O-M-J

Really? If anything the PS3 is in a good place atm. It just got a price drop, sales will increase, and it's finally getting adecentlibrary of exclusives...

MS should be a little worried atm. MS needs to do something big soon..... it seems they are putting all their eggs into the Natal basket, but thats not til later next year. MS needs to do a price drop.... really... if Sony can put a BR Drive in a PS3 and make a profit by selling the machine at $299, then MS should be able to sell the Elite at $199 and still make a profit.

With Nintendo's momentum slowing down, I think a price drop or new console will come out soon.

I think that MS will beat Sony to bring out there console first but not by much. Both companies dont want to be in the posistion the PS3 was this year where it is constently playing catch up so they will be out a lot early then some people think.

If MS is smart they wont havea price drop untill just before Christmas where the marketing as the lowest price console will have the most effect. Next year they will bring the Natal out to help boost the sales.

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"][QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Really? If anything the PS3 is in a good place atm. It just got a price drop, sales will increase, and it's finally getting adecentlibrary of exclusives...

MS should be a little worried atm. MS needs to do something big soon..... it seems they are putting all their eggs into the Natal basket, but thats not til later next year. MS needs to do a price drop.... really... if Sony can put a BR Drive in a PS3 and make a profit by selling the machine at $299, then MS should be able to sell the Elite at $199 and still make a profit.

Olimar_the_Min

With Nintendo's momentum slowing down, I think a price drop or new console will come out soon.

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

Olimar_the_Min

Yeah, such a failure. Mario Galaxy failed as well, with it's GOTY award and everything.

[QUOTE="Olimar_the_Min"]

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

RawDeal_basic

Yeah, such a failure. Mario Galaxy failed as well, with it's GOTY award and everything.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="Olimar_the_Min"]

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

Olimar_the_Min

Tons of money > Internet fanboys.

:lol:, The Nintendo fanboys who are mad at Nintendo are such a small percent of people who bought the Wii, that it wouldn't affect sales hardly at all.

Me too, but I couldn't really explain why.

NielsNL

Nintendo will probably release a revision of the Wii, like a WiiHD and have exclusive WiiHD games like what they did with DSL and DSi

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Me too, but I couldn't really explain why.

surrealnumber5

Just like Sony. MS has the more reactive strategy, which won't do them good in the long run.

I guess I'm thinking Nintendo because they will have made a lot of money and funding the next console will be easy for them and they also have a good reason because they must realize the technical gap will become more obvious and more of a problem with each passing year. If I was forced to make a prediction I'd say Nintendo will come with a HD console in 2011, MS will follow with a new consolein 2012 (just before the end of the world :P) and Sony in 2013.

Nintendo will come out with a VR system that is controlled with your mind and no one will be able to remember what a PS3 or a 360 is...

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Me too, but I couldn't really explain why.

NielsNL

Just like Sony. MS has the more reactive strategy, which won't do them good in the long run.

I guess I'm thinking Nintendo because they will have made a lot of money and funding the next console will be easy for them and they also have a good reason because they must realize the technical gap will become more obvious and more of a problem with each passing year. If I was forced to make a prediction I'd say Nintendo will come with a HD console in 2011, MS will follow with a new consolein 2012 (just before the end of the world :P) and Sony in 2013.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] its either going to be nintendo first or last, as either sony will rush out their next one or they wont. nintendo always seems to work on their own time tablesurrealnumber5

Just like Sony. MS has the more reactive strategy, which won't do them good in the long run.

I guess I'm thinking Nintendo because they will have made a lot of money and funding the next console will be easy for them and they also have a good reason because they must realize the technical gap will become more obvious and more of a problem with each passing year. If I was forced to make a prediction I'd say Nintendo will come with a HD console in 2011, MS will follow with a new consolein 2012 (just before the end of the world :P) and Sony in 2013.

But they won't have to stop selling the Wii. I think having a console with casual appeal at a low price and a technically advanced console at a higher price side by side isn't too bad of a business strategy if you can afford it.

I say Sony because one of the reasons they failed was because they launched late because of that they'll come up with a surprise move that lands them a release date inlate 2010 or late 2011 (hopefully the latter) after that it'll result in MS confirming their console but not showing it with Nintendo being mum.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Just like Sony. MS has the more reactive strategy, which won't do them good in the long run.

I guess I'm thinking Nintendo because they will have made a lot of money and funding the next console will be easy for them and they also have a good reason because they must realize the technical gap will become more obvious and more of a problem with each passing year. If I was forced to make a prediction I'd say Nintendo will come with a HD console in 2011, MS will follow with a new consolein 2012 (just before the end of the world :P) and Sony in 2013.

NielsNL

But they won't have to stop selling the Wii. I think having a console with casual appeal at a low price and a technically advanced console at a higher price side by side isn't too bad of a business strategy if you can afford it.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] 2010 is just a stone throw away, i would think 11/12 at the earliest as the wii still sells with out cuts, as do its nintendo games. they have been pumping money into R&D one could only assume they are well into development but i doubt they would plan on putting out the next console before the others came close to ketching up on a post cut system. look at the DS and DSi in japan, they waited till the ds was almost pushing psp sales before putting out the DSi. surrealnumber5

But they won't have to stop selling the Wii. I think having a console with casual appeal at a low price and a technically advanced console at a higher price side by side isn't too bad of a business strategy if you can afford it.

Fair enough. I do think however that Nintendo's current commercial success is unprecedented, so they're 'richer' now than they've ever been. Like you point out they already expanded their manufacturing capacity last year, so the capital expenditure for that has been covered at this point. The Wii started out at a "sweet spot" price point so it will attain market saturation at a relatively fast rate. Sales are somewhat dwindling already and I don't think a price cut can heavily increase it again. If demand of the Wii structurally sticks to a somewhat lower level than the first few years Nintendo will have some spare manufacturing capacity on their hands. If there would ever be a good moment to have two console lifecycles overlap, it would be now (or soon).

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] 2010 is just a stone throw away, i would think 11/12 at the earliest as the wii still sells with out cuts, as do its nintendo games. they have been pumping money into R&D one could only assume they are well into development but i doubt they would plan on putting out the next console before the others came close to ketching up on a post cut system. look at the DS and DSi in japan, they waited till the ds was almost pushing psp sales before putting out the DSi. surrealnumber5

But they won't have to stop selling the Wii. I think having a console with casual appeal at a low price and a technically advanced console at a higher price side by side isn't too bad of a business strategy if you can afford it.

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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

But they won't have to stop selling the Wii. I think having a console with casual appeal at a low price and a technically advanced console at a higher price side by side isn't too bad of a business strategy if you can afford it.

starwarsjunky

[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] aside from the DS and GBA i cant think of a time nintendo has kept around an old system with a new for an extended period, and it makes since. they are not as huge on the manufacturing end as sony, they simply dont have the means at this point. even though they did build a few new manufacturing plants this gen to meet demand, maybe they could but standardizing and specializing are much more efficient then diversifying and varying ones production line. why do you think we have not seen any other color wiis even though they were planned at launch, even changing the color will cost retooling time and increase inventory costs. what ever they do i am sure they will have firm justifications as to why

surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="Olimar_the_Min"]

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

Olimar_the_Min

Tons of money > Internet fanboys.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

But they won't have to stop selling the Wii. I think having a console with casual appeal at a low price and a technically advanced console at a higher price side by side isn't too bad of a business strategy if you can afford it.

NielsNL

Fair enough. I do think however that Nintendo's current commercial success is unprecedented, so they're 'richer' now than they've ever been. Like you point out they already expanded their manufacturing capacity last year, so the capital expenditure for that has been covered at this point. The Wii started out at a "sweet spot" price point so it will attain market saturation at a relatively fast rate. Sales are somewhat dwindling already and I don't think a price cut can heavily increase it again. If demand of the Wii structurally sticks to a somewhat lower level than the first few years Nintendo will have some spare manufacturing capacity on their hands. If there would ever be a good moment to have two console lifecycles overlap, it would be now (or soon).

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="Olimar_the_Min"]

Nintendo because of damage control on their failed console (in terms of quality)

Olimar_the_Min

Tons of money > Internet fanboys.

Anyway, I really don't think a new generation of console is going to start any time soon. But if I had to choose I would guess Sony. They're in last place and a head start might do them well next gen.vashkey

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] when nintendo feels their sales are hurting, they have plenty of ways to still spark more. theres the obvious price drop. they have the different colors they can release. even wii sports resort. they have plenty of life still.starwarsjunky

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] aside from the DS and GBA i cant think of a time nintendo has kept around an old system with a new for an extended period, and it makes since. they are not as huge on the manufacturing end as sony, they simply dont have the means at this point. even though they did build a few new manufacturing plants this gen to meet demand, maybe they could but standardizing and specializing are much more efficient then diversifying and varying ones production line. why do you think we have not seen any other color wiis even though they were planned at launch, even changing the color will cost retooling time and increase inventory costs. what ever they do i am sure they will have firm justifications as to why

surrealnumber5

Fair enough. I do think however that Nintendo's current commercial success is unprecedented, so they're 'richer' now than they've ever been. Like you point out they already expanded their manufacturing capacity last year, so the capital expenditure for that has been covered at this point. The Wii started out at a "sweet spot" price point so it will attain market saturation at a relatively fast rate. Sales are somewhat dwindling already and I don't think a price cut can heavily increase it again. If demand of the Wii structurally sticks to a somewhat lower level than the first few years Nintendo will have some spare manufacturing capacity on their hands. If there would ever be a good moment to have two console lifecycles overlap, it would be now (or soon).

What about Sony with the PS2/PS3? I don't recall these types of discussions.

I hope Nintendo does i'm starting to miss the old N. This whole motion and movement control thing has gotten outta hand

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Fair enough. I do think however that Nintendo's current commercial success is unprecedented, so they're 'richer' now than they've ever been. Like you point out they already expanded their manufacturing capacity last year, so the capital expenditure for that has been covered at this point. The Wii started out at a "sweet spot" price point so it will attain market saturation at a relatively fast rate. Sales are somewhat dwindling already and I don't think a price cut can heavily increase it again. If demand of the Wii structurally sticks to a somewhat lower level than the first few years Nintendo will have some spare manufacturing capacity on their hands. If there would ever be a good moment to have two console lifecycles overlap, it would be now (or soon).

NielsNL

What about Sony with the PS2/PS3? I don't recall these types of discussions.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] there comes other PP/marketing problems when you have two products competing with for the same demo, one group may get jaded as they may feel prematurely abandon and alienating your market base is not a good idea. the other side may feel the old machine too much support and feels they did not get what they were promised with the new machine. its a loose loose situation, and given that word of mouth is what has pushed nintendo so far this gen, to offend adopters on either side could equate to sony's E3 05' surrealnumber5

What about Sony with the PS2/PS3? I don't recall these types of discussions.

You have a point (and an economical background I'm guessing ;), mine's engineering). One thing I'd like to still note though is that Nintendo is deviating from what we've seen in earlier gens by consciously choosing for a technically inferior platform. I know tthere have ben inequalities in technical performance of earlier competing consoles, but not to this degree. I think tieing into next gen is influenced as well by this decision. I'm just not sure how.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

What about Sony with the PS2/PS3? I don't recall these types of discussions.

NielsNL

You have a point (and an economical background I'm guessing ;), mine's engineering). One thing I'd like to still note though is that Nintendo's is deviating from what we've seen in earlier gens by consciously choosing for a technically inferior platform. I know tthere have ben inequalities in technical performance of earlier competing consoles, but not to this degree. I think tieing into next gen is influenced as well by this decision. I'm just not sure how.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the ps2 - ps3 had seven years people were expecting it. wii - XXX if released at the end of 2010 will be four years. thats a big difference in product life cycle, and sony's efforts for the ps2 in the past years are hardly note worthy. surrealnumber5

You have a point (and an economical background I'm guessing ;), mine's engineering). One thing I'd like to still note though is that Nintendo's is deviating from what we've seen in earlier gens by consciously choosing for a technically inferior platform. I know tthere have ben inequalities in technical performance of earlier competing consoles, but not to this degree. I think tieing into next gen is influenced as well by this decision. I'm just not sure how.

I'll have an MSc in Petroleum Engineering this December. Economics interest me too. As for math I think I can give you a run for your money ;)

Not sure about the wii, but MS will definitely want a new console on the market sooer than later. MS is losing money on warranties, no unified requirements for hdd's, not enough storage compacity such as bluray, and its potential is and should already being taken advantage of. Really MS has the most reasons for a new console launch next to the wii.

While the ps3 has set standard for hdd's, has bluray, has internet, hasn't been fully utilized (cell and spu's) has a reliable system and has pricing in its favor now.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

You have a point (and an economical background I'm guessing ;), mine's engineering). One thing I'd like to still note though is that Nintendo's is deviating from what we've seen in earlier gens by consciously choosing for a technically inferior platform. I know tthere have ben inequalities in technical performance of earlier competing consoles, but not to this degree. I think tieing into next gen is influenced as well by this decision. I'm just not sure how.

NielsNL

I'll have an MSc in Petroleum Engineering this December. Economics interest me too. As for math I think I can give you a run for your money ;)

aside from the DS and GBA i cant think of a time nintendo has kept around an old system with a new for an extended period, and it makes since. they are not as huge on the manufacturing end as sony, they simply dont have the means at this point. even though they did build a few new manufacturing plants this gen to meet demand, maybe they could but standardizing and specializing are much more efficient then diversifying and varying ones production line. why do you think we have not seen any other color wiis even though they were planned at launch, even changing the color will cost retooling time and increase inventory costs. what ever they do i am sure they will have firm justifications as to why

surrealnumber5

SNES lasted from 1991 - 1999 (It still got new games up until 1999 and in 1997 Nintendo released a redesign that looked like the Top-loading NES.)

Edit* The NES redesign was in 1993 not 1994, and the SNES redesign was in 1997 not 1995.

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