WHO is more selfish Sony or Microsoft ???? >>>POLL

I think its incredibly obvious, since MS uses their own harddrives (which are just the laptop harddrives in a special case), just to make you buy their own overpriced version, as well as controller cables being custom, with no included wi-fi or free online options, its defiantly Microsoft by a disgustingly large margin. 110million

Uh....they're businesses. If they weren't selfish, they wouldn't be successful.pyromaniac223

Microsoft releases their huge games pretty much only during the holidays, Sony puts them out year round. Look at 09. Sony has KZ2, MLB 09: The Show, inFAMOUS, all arguably AAAE.Games sell better during the holidays, no doubt about that. So Microsoft gets lots of money and leaves Xbox owners dry for the first half ofthe year with exclusives. Sony keeps me happy year-round.

M$ is evil. I heard their employees like to kill cute little bunnies for fun during lunch break.Odrec

LOL

When I worked at Gamestop, Microsoft would send the managers a box full of games for the Xbox...Some punk *** managers (almost every manager) would keep all 30+ copies of the games (even the duplicates) but some managers would share them... and Up in until Microsoft found out that almost every Gamestop Manager was modding there Xbox, Microsoft would give every new manager a Xbox. I still think they send out the box around Christmas every We got **** from Sony...Shattered007

This wasn't being unselfish, this waa smart business tactics. Sony had the market on lock during the ps2 era, why give stuff away for free when you are dominating, no need. MS was trying to break into the gaming market....so yeah, give them something for free so they can promote it to customers.

Anyways, both comapnies are selfish. They are in it to make money. They care for their customers to the extent that they can make money off of ya, and retain you as a loyal customer. It's called a business model. They have different business models, that's all. It's nothing personal, it's just business!

doesn't 50$ an account a year say it all? with a family of 4 dudes that play games... 200$ a yar just for online thats why sony caresStealthKnife

No, that's smart business tactics. People find value in it and pay for it.....if they can get away with it (as they clearly ae when people do just this!), why not?

Sony is putting out a remodeled ps for $250....$250! Not a new system, just a remodeled one....do they really care? Well yes, both MS and Sony do care....about getting your money! :)

Oooo they're both a big pair of meanies.

Microsoft. I understand that they're a business, but I'm starting to wonder the position they're taking as a short-term high income approach or a long-term customer relationship establishment. Look at how they're handling the halo series. Wondering how they're gonna hype Halo ODST? By announcing ANOTHER halo game of course!!

Tie. They are both publicly traded so they are obligated to try as hard as they can to bring in money for the shareholders.

Tie. They are both publicly traded so they are obligated to try as hard as they can to bring in money for the shareholders.

Guybrush_3

Despite your console preference how can you call a company which sold it's product at a loss selfish? LMAO

As far as the whole loan thing goes I'd say it was more of a purchase with a guarentee for profit which is probibly why R* is making Agent exclusive.

Microsoft... 150 a year for a family on LIVE is way too much.

Despite your console preference how can you call a company which sold it's product at a loss selfish? LMAO

As far as the whole loan thing goes I'd say it was more of a purchase with a guarentee for profit which is probibly why R* is making Agent exclusive.

360hammer

Of course such acts as selling a console for a loss may appear altruistic at a glance, however companies such as Song or MS or any other corporates you care to name are intrinsically selfish by nature. They're not charities.

Microsoft. I understand that they're a business, but I'm starting to wonder the position they're taking as a short-term high income approach or a long-term customer relationship establishment. Look at how they're handling the halo series. Wondering how they're gonna hype Halo ODST? By announcing ANOTHER halo game of course!!

PSdual_wielder

Uh....they're businesses. If they weren't selfish, they wouldn't be successful.pyromaniac223

Mictosoft because Sony is loosing money on PS3 but has best exclusives and quality.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Uh....they're businesses. If they weren't selfish, they wouldn't be successful.LOXO7

so far 100% 10 votes microsoft. i have to say microsoft. i just think they want money. iam2green

Well I'm pretty sure Bill and Melinda donate the most money of anyone else in the world, so in terms of selfishness I would never give it to the company that is ran (formerly ran) by one of the most charitable people on the planet.

Well I'm pretty sure Bill and Melinda donate the most money of anyone else in the world, so in terms of selfishness I would never give it to the company that is ran (formerly ran) by one of the most charitable people on the planet.

Mr_Nordquist

Unless you can provide a % of income to charity and compare it with other charitable people I'm believing it's just for tax purposes.

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MS donates computers to schools. Bill gates donates money to charity.

:lol: @ anyone that says MS.

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MS donates computers to schools. Bill gates donates money to charity.

:lol: @ anyone that says MS.

WilliamRLBaker

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Uh....they're businesses. If they weren't selfish, they wouldn't be successful.pyromaniac223

How is Sony making you buy their hardware? The other day I wanted to install Linux on a machine with Windows Vista but, interestingly enough, Vista basically won't let you install an additional OS on the same HD. You have to "trick" Vista into thinking it is the only OS on the machine in order to be able to install Linux. Microsoft have done whatever they can to keep any foreign software away from their system (it happened initially, and still happens at some degree, with java and linux) but it hasn't always been succesful, thankfullyOdrec

no i think its more that you don't know what your doing with a computer, its actually quite easy to install linux with vista.

http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/14/how-to-dual-boot-windows-vista-and-linux/

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Odrec"]. Charity sucks. It is just a way of covering the Sun with one finger while letting the real problem untouched and feeling good about yourself, it is also a way for rich people to avoid paying taxes.Odrec

Many people give to charity to make themselves feel better, thus a positive act but for selfish reasons. If you study altruism, you'll find there are few acts in this world that can be considered as truly altruistic.

There are many beneficiaries to Bill Gates act of 'charity' - I doubt there are many of them who care much for the reasons behind why their lives have been improved.

Incidentally I worked in PR for a charity in London some years ago. Your argument that some 'cultures' apparently view the act of charity as a sin has little bearing here. That's not the viewpoint held in Western society (aside of course from the occasional person that frequents certain gaming forums).

I'm not sure when it was that people started putting a negative spin on being selfish, but sooner or latter, they have to acknowledge that selfishness is the cornerstone of all philosophies that actually endorse preservation of the individual.

For any business to survive, it must be entirely selfish in all its endeavors.

Selfishness isn't to be confused with Microsoft's monopolistic tendencies since whatever head starts they had were produced by subsidies given to them by the government over the years.

[QUOTE="Odrec"]How is Sony making you buy their hardware? The other day I wanted to install Linux on a machine with Windows Vista but, interestingly enough, Vista basically won't let you install an additional OS on the same HD. You have to "trick" Vista into thinking it is the only OS on the machine in order to be able to install Linux. Microsoft have done whatever they can to keep any foreign software away from their system (it happened initially, and still happens at some degree, with java and linux) but it hasn't always been succesful, thankfullyWilliamRLBaker

no i think its more that you don't know what your doing with a computer, its actually quite easy to install linux with vista.

http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/14/how-to-dual-boot-windows-vista-and-linux/

Windows doesn't like to be second. You can easily install another OS as long as Windows is on your first logical or phisical drive. At first I thought I was doing something wrong (I wanted Linux on my primary drive) but then what I realized is that Windows won't let you put it on a secondary drive so you have to trick it into thinking that it is on the primary one with the map option on the grub loader.

http://www.oculon.org/hijinx/linux/grub.htm

From the link:

This configuration involves a little trick. If you were too lazy to read the entire document you've probably already tried:

title = Windows 98
root = (hd1,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

You've also realized that it doesn't work. Why is this? Its because Windows has to be on logical drive C, on a secondary hard drive this isn't possible by default. On some systems you can configure the BIOS to switch the logical drive configuration for you but you can do that more easily with Grub. Use the following entry:

title = Windows 98
root = (hd1,0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

The map option switches hd0 and hd1 and makes it appear that hd1 is the primary drive. So you should now have a starting point for most configurations.

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Are you really trying to bash philanthropy? You aren't going to have many individuals in the entire human race that agree with you.poptart

Many people give to charity to make themselves feel better, thus a positive act but for selfish reasons. If you study altruism, you'll find there are few acts in this world that can be considered as truly altruistic.

There are many beneficiaries to Bill Gates act of 'charity' - I doubt there are many of them who care much for the reasons behind why their lives have been improved.

Incidentally I worked in PR for a charity in London some years ago. Your argument that some 'cultures' apparently view the act of charity as a sin has little bearing here. That's not the viewpoint held in Western society (aside of course from the occasional person that frequents certain gaming forums).

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[QUOTE="Odrec"] It's not philantropy if you think of it as a way to manipulate public opinion in your favor while doing nothing to fix the real problems of society. There are cultures who even considered things like charity a kind of sin because it was a way to "act" as if you are doing something while, in reality, it is just pure appearances. Most charity programs do from nothing to very little to fix the problems they claim to be supporting IMO.Odrec

Many people give to charity to make themselves feel better, thus a positive act but for selfish reasons. If you study altruism, you'll find there are few acts in this world that can be considered as truly altruistic.

There are many beneficiaries to Bill Gates act of 'charity' - I doubt there are many of them who care much for the reasons behind why their lives have been improved.

Incidentally I worked in PR for a charity in London some years ago. Your argument that some 'cultures' apparently view the act of charity as a sin has little bearing here. That's not the viewpoint held in Western society (aside of course from the occasional person that frequents certain gaming forums).

Yes indeed Africa is a case a point where a charities have managed and allocated there funding poorly, with little forethought for long-term solutions. The philosophies of these institutions are however positive and certainly not sinful, it's just that with poor administration you can have an act of kindness with a damaging outcome.

It does seem a little strange that some cultures view charitable acts as some kind of sin though. We're pack animals by nature and looking out for one another, ensuring group survival through acts of altruism and kindness is one of our defining characteristics.

Oh well.

What is it with people this days.. Yes they scam, they cheat, its either leave or take but by the end of the day its still a BUISNESS and all buisnesses have to remain profitable.

Sony, at least MS didn't make up a new DVD format to repackage movies from the 80s and charge more money for them and don't forget the rootkit debacle that happened from Sony music CDs because Sony didn't want anyone to put music from their CD's on differant PC's...