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#1 Xander818
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http://www.gamespot.com/hardware/blogs/hardware-insider/909185655/26843230/xbox-360-hard-drives-could-we-get-a-price-check.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;4

Now THAT is getting milked

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#2 flazzle
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Yeah, I never understood why the 360 hard drives are insanely expensive. One of the most impressive things about the PS3 is that you can switch the hard drive with the one of your choosing and you don't void the warranty. In fact, they even tell you how to do it.

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#3 joesh89
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Yeah, I never understood why the 360 hard drives are insanely expensive. One of the most impressive things about the PS3 is that you can switch the hard drive with the one of your choosing and you don't void the warranty. In fact, they even tell you how to do it.

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yea i agree.

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#4 def_mode
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one word, greed.

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#5 II-FBIsniper-II
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Agreed. 360's HDD pricing is ridiculous. It's stupid that it allows me to play music, movies, and pictures from an external HDD, but it doesn't allow me to use it as storage.
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#6 shadow_hosi
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my hdd came with my xbox so im not getting milked lol
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#7 Trinners
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the funny thing is, the xbox HDD is just a standard 2.5 inch HDD in a special casing :lol:

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#8 haris12121212
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I still think nintendo takes the title of milkage. But yeah the Xbox HDD is overpriced.
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#9 chathuranga
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the funny thing is, the xbox HDD is just a standard 2.5 inch HDD in a special casing :lol:

Trinners
Then the casing must be really special and valuable.
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#10 Trinners
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

the funny thing is, the xbox HDD is just a standard 2.5 inch HDD in a special casing :lol:

chathuranga

Then the casing must be really special and valuable.

it's just a way to force xbox owners to buy the MS HDD therefore having a monopoly on HDD for the xbox. the casing is nothing really special. :lol:

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#11 VirtuaCast
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You don't need a HHD for the 360 but you need one with the PS3 and with all the forced installs most people had to buy a bigger HDD for their PS3s, thats milkage.

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#12 Ze_ALEX
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agreed, i believe anyone can agree that they are overpriced

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#13 II-FBIsniper-II
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You don't need a HHD for the 360 but you need one with the PS3 and with all the forced installs most people had to buy a bigger HDD for their PS3s, thats milkage.

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If you plan on using XBL, it is pretty much required.
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#14 Trinners
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You don't need a HHD for the 360 but you need one with the PS3 and with all the forced installs most people had to buy a bigger HDD for their PS3s, thats milkage.

VirtuaCast

it's not milking if the HDD comes right out of the box. fanboys these days:roll:

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#15 chathuranga
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[QUOTE="chathuranga"][QUOTE="Trinners"]

the funny thing is, the xbox HDD is just a standard 2.5 inch HDD in a special casing :lol:

Trinners

Then the casing must be really special and valuable.

it's just a way to force xbox owners to buy the MS HDD therefore having a monopoly on HDD for the xbox. the casing is nothing really special. :lol:

I hate it when sarcasm fails on the internet. :lol:

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#16 mike4realz
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the manufacturing process is what makes the xbox 360 hard drive expensive
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#17 chathuranga
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You don't need a HHD for the 360 but you need one with the PS3 and with all the forced installs most people had to buy a bigger HDD for their PS3s, thats milkage.

VirtuaCast
It is not milkage when Sony gets no money for it. They aren't the ones making or selling hard drives.
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#18 hyperkass
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Gotta give it to Microsoft, put the Arcade at a ridiculousy good price, people buy then realise they need a decent harddrive.

Boom. Business.

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#19 Trinners
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Gotta give it to Microsoft, put the Arcade at a ridiculousy good price, people buy then realise they need a decent harddrive.

Boom. Business.

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the laugh is on the consumers that don't do proper research :lol:

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#20 Deihmos
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I upgraded my xbox 360 hard drive to 120GB for about $45.00. All I needed was a hard drive and a screw driver.
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#22 Trinners
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I upgraded my xbox 360 hard drive to 120GB for about $45.00. All I needed was a hard drive and a screw driver.Deihmos

you can get a 320 GB hard drive for $70 in chinatown. but yeah just get a screwdriver and open that thing up

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#23 PSdual_wielder
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guess 50 bucks from every xbl user still isn't enough to cover the RROD warranty...

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#24 lolfaqs
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the manufacturing process is what makes the xbox 360 hard drive expensivemike4realz

The decision to not allow compatibility with 3rd party manufacturers of hard drives that work with PS3 and PC is what makes the manufacturing process for 360 hard drives expensive.

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#25 psychobrew
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So it's OK for Apple to force proprietary hardware and OSs, but not Microsoft?
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#26 St_muscat
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="chathuranga"] Then the casing must be really special and valuable.chathuranga

it's just a way to force xbox owners to buy the MS HDD therefore having a monopoly on HDD for the xbox. the casing is nothing really special. :lol:

I hate it when sarcasm fails on the internet. :lol:

Maybe we should go into business together selling Sarcasm Detectors and Air Guitars.

Sarcasm DetectorAir Guitar

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#27 Luigi_Vincetana
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So it's OK for Apple to force proprietary hardware and OSs, but not Microsoft?psychobrew
That's not even the same thing here. Were talking about the price of upgrading here not the buy in price (Of which most Macs are actually fairly reasonable if you take the time to investigate why they're supposedly "more expensive"*). Apple doesn't force you to by any sort of overpriced proprietary apple branded eternal HDDs if you want more storage space. You are free to use any USB external HDD you want.
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#28 freek666
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I thought this was going to be about franchises :P

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#29 JigglyWiggly_
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Even if you pop open the 360 hard drive casing I read, you have to put a custom firmware for your 2.5 in hard drive to only use 120gigs of it and have the hash of a 360 hd...
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

the funny thing is, the xbox HDD is just a standard 2.5 inch HDD in a special casing :lol:

chathuranga
Then the casing must be really special and valuable.

lots of really special plastic :lol:
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#31 psychobrew
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]So it's OK for Apple to force proprietary hardware and OSs, but not Microsoft?Luigi_Vincetana
That's not even the same thing here. Were talking about the price of upgrading here not the buy in price (Of which most Macs are actually fairly reasonable if you take the time to investigate why they're supposedly "more expensive"*). Apple doesn't force you to by any sort of overpriced proprietary apple branded eternal HDDs if you want more storage space. You are free to use any USB external HDD you want.

What if you want an internal hard drive or an updated graphics card (seriously, I don't know. I can't even figure out how to maximize the web broweser so it uses all of the screen realestate and the desktop doesn't show in the borders)?

Supposedly more expensive? I guess the minis are priced OK, but they are outdated.

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#32 imprezawrx500
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You don't need a HHD for the 360 but you need one with the PS3 and with all the forced installs most people had to buy a bigger HDD for their PS3s, thats milkage.

VirtuaCast
so what ps3 game needs more than 20gb? it isn't milkage if you don't have to buy a new one. How are you going to play you 360 without buying new batteries for your controller or the play and charge kit? how are going play online without paying? that's milkage. ps3 has everything you need to play your games forever out of the box. even a hdmi cable is cheaper than the play and charge kit or some rechargeable batteries.
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#33 imprezawrx500
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So it's OK for Apple to force proprietary hardware and OSs, but not Microsoft?psychobrew
osx can be run on any pc if you know how, any standard hdd or ram will work in a mac, the 360 hdd is not the same but an overpriced out of production tiny 60gb sata drive. the 160gb drives are cheaper.
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One thing i've all ways said and many others have is that you should vote with your wallet, As well there are ways to get around the 120 gig price you can take 20 gig hard drives and modify them with a certain hard drive and special software to turn it into an 120 gig on the cheap so if your so worried about geting milked then do that.

As well yet again vote with your wallet voting with your wallet works with every thing.

P.S: its called making a profit basic economics microsoft buys the drives on bulk which costs alot of money and they want to make money off that investment.
P.P.S: most cows have no right to talk in this area hell even the sheep don't either since both nintendo and sony milked the hell out of their consumer base in every generation they were in.

^@imperaz above
ITs funny how you don't mention cpu, gpu, motherboard...ect you just mention ram or HDD like some how magically OSX works with just those components needed, Apple has been doing proptiery tech for a long long time they stopped because they were losing market share because of it people even their own rabbid fanbase were geting sick of apple hardware costing an arm and a leg when a cheaper PC could do the same.
It isn't till the last 1-2 itterations of OSX that it could work on most PC's because they had switched to an Intel code basing...ect before that you could not get an apple OS to work on a pc.

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#35 haris12121212
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P.P.S: most cows have no right to talk in this area hell even the sheep don't either since both nintendo and sony milked the hell out of their consumer base in every generation they were in.

WilliamRLBaker

I don't get how Playstation 2 owners were milked... (there fore the name cows) I got a PS2 and over 30 games... and all I needed to buy was one memory card (30$) and a controller (40$) at the time... Thats it, I can play all my games and everything... The only thing that could be considered milkage waas the multi tap thing... whis was imo not necessary at all...

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#36 def_mode
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You don't need a HHD for the 360 but you need one with the PS3 and with all the forced installs most people had to buy a bigger HDD for their PS3s, thats milkage.

VirtuaCast
with the arcades and dlc coming, u need a bigger hdd
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#37 def_mode
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One thing i've all ways said and many others have is that you should vote with your wallet, As well there are ways to get around the 120 gig price you can take 20 gig hard drives and modify them with a certain hard drive and special software to turn it into an 120 gig on the cheap so if your so worried about geting milked then do that.

As well yet again vote with your wallet voting with your wallet works with every thing.

P.S: its called making a profit basic economics microsoft buys the drives on bulk which costs alot of money and they want to make money off that investment.
P.P.S: most cows have no right to talk in this area hell even the sheep don't either since both nintendo and sony milked the hell out of their consumer base in every generation they were in.

^@imperaz above
ITs funny how you don't mention cpu, gpu, motherboard...ect you just mention ram or HDD like some how magically OSX works with just those components needed, Apple has been doing proptiery tech for a long long time they stopped because they were losing market share because of it people even their own rabbid fanbase were geting sick of apple hardware costing an arm and a leg when a cheaper PC could do the same.
It isn't till the last 1-2 itterations of OSX that it could work on most PC's because they had switched to an Intel code basing...ect before that you could not get an apple OS to work on a pc.

WilliamRLBaker

you are missing the point and idea, too bad i wont bother explaining cause ur a fanboy. i see most of ur posts, always fanboy comments.

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#38 def_mode
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but seriously tho a 512mb memory card is almost the same price as a brand new 360 game.

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[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="psychobrew"]So it's OK for Apple to force proprietary hardware and OSs, but not Microsoft?psychobrew

That's not even the same thing here. Were talking about the price of upgrading here not the buy in price (Of which most Macs are actually fairly reasonable if you take the time to investigate why they're supposedly "more expensive"*). Apple doesn't force you to by any sort of overpriced proprietary apple branded eternal HDDs if you want more storage space. You are free to use any USB external HDD you want.

What if you want an internal hard drive or an updated graphics card (seriously, I don't know. I can't even figure out how to maximize the web broweser so it uses all of the screen realestate and the desktop doesn't show in the borders)?

Supposedly more expensive? I guess the minis are priced OK, but they are outdated.

Most Macs are embedded systems, your innards upgrading options are about the same as any other embedded system. I don't deny that Macs are often times more expensive if you're comparing them solely on the internal specs but you have to understand that there's more to a PC then just it's processors. Macs tend to be more expensive because of how they're designed, For example an iMac is actually a laptop and comparing it to a desktop PC isn't really fair. The new MacBooks are expensive because they include a bunch of bell and whistles and are more difficult to manufacture then say a Lenovo laptop. However the old MacBooks (or the still in production MacBook white) are actually pretty comparable in price to most other laptops of the same specs. Now if you want something with a lot of oomph with out any extras and peripherals you don't need then obviously Macs aren't the way to go. However if you don't really need to much processing power but would rather just a PC that'll do your day to day computing activities smoothly with a bunch of nifty hard ware trick, then the price of a Mac can easily be justified.
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Charging for live as well a dlc is major milkage. Can anyone tell me why Live is actually a chargeable service, when I already pay an isp for my internet. Live is the biggest milkage I've ever known, made even moreso by the fact that people are big enough suckers to not only pay for it, but justify it's charge like it's some kind of complimentary gift from MS. Blind fanboysim and loyalty never fails to amaze me.

Let these companies know that charging for the internet twice, and next we will be paying yearly subscriptions to Sony, MS, Nintendo, as well as EA, Ubisoft and all the publishers for each individual game they release that has online.

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http://www.gamespot.com/hardware/blogs/hardware-insider/909185655/26843230/xbox-360-hard-drives-could-we-get-a-price-check.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;4

Now THAT is getting milked

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console gaming=milkage.
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#42 def_mode
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Charging for live as well a dlc is major milkage. Can anyone tell me why Live is actually a chargeable service, when I already pay an isp for my internet. Live is the biggest milkage I've ever known, made even moreso by the fact that people are big enough suckers to not only pay for it, but justify it's charge like it's some kind of complimentary gift from MS. Blind fanboysim and loyalty never fails to amaze me.

Let these companies know that charging for the internet twice, and next we will be paying yearly subscriptions to Sony, MS, Nintendo, as well as EA, Ubisoft and all the publishers for each individual game they release that has online.

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#43 def_mode
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[QUOTE="Xander818"]

http://www.gamespot.com/hardware/blogs/hardware-insider/909185655/26843230/xbox-360-hard-drives-could-we-get-a-price-check.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;4

Now THAT is getting milked

fdgdfgdfgdfg454
console gaming=milkage.

360 = milkage
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#44 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I agree that the pricing is excessive, but isn't the drive specially made for the Xbox 360 -- which increases manufacturing costs because the process is more methodical? Nevertheless, HDDs need to cheap for PCs -- building gaming PCs are expensive as it is.
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#45 lolfaqs
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[QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"]

Charging for live as well a dlc is major milkage. Can anyone tell me why Live is actually a chargeable service, when I already pay an isp for my internet. Live is the biggest milkage I've ever known, made even moreso by the fact that people are big enough suckers to not only pay for it, but justify it's charge like it's some kind of complimentary gift from MS. Blind fanboysim and loyalty never fails to amaze me.

Let these companies know that charging for the internet twice, and next we will be paying yearly subscriptions to Sony, MS, Nintendo, as well as EA, Ubisoft and all the publishers for each individual game they release that has online.

def_mode

this guy speaks the truth

Don't forget when the 360 ever gets an MMO. Internet service, Xbox Live, and monthly MMO subscription. Ouch.

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#46 lolfaqs
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I agree that the pricing is excessive, but isn't the drive specially made for the Xbox 360 -- which increases manufacturing costs because the process is more methodical? Nevertheless, HDDs need to cheap for PCs -- building gaming PCs are expensive as it is.Stevo_the_gamer

Which begs the question why M$ designed the 360 to require specially made hard drives in the first place instead of allowing 360 owners to throw in any 3rd party hard drive...

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#47 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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Yeah M$ deff love overpricing there crap, I mean 100$ for a wifi router ? :lol:
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#48 def_mode
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[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"]

Charging for live as well a dlc is major milkage. Can anyone tell me why Live is actually a chargeable service, when I already pay an isp for my internet. Live is the biggest milkage I've ever known, made even moreso by the fact that people are big enough suckers to not only pay for it, but justify it's charge like it's some kind of complimentary gift from MS. Blind fanboysim and loyalty never fails to amaze me.

Let these companies know that charging for the internet twice, and next we will be paying yearly subscriptions to Sony, MS, Nintendo, as well as EA, Ubisoft and all the publishers for each individual game they release that has online.

lolfaqs

this guy speaks the truth

Don't forget when the 360 ever gets an MMO. Internet service, Xbox Live, and monthly MMO subscription. Ouch.

not just that, that MMO game might even charge players with extra stuff like, more storage, better armor and even for gold (money) you would know what i mean if you play mmo
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#49 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Don't forget when the 360 ever gets an MMO. Internet service, Xbox Live, and monthly MMO subscription. Ouch.

lolfaqs

You left out the electric bill, the cost of the TV and its stand, the rent or morgage payment, couch or bed. ect.

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#50 lolfaqs
Member since 2009 • 1776 Posts

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]Don't forget when the 360 ever gets an MMO. Internet service, Xbox Live, and monthly MMO subscription. Ouch.

Stevo_the_gamer

You left out the electric bill, the cost of the TV and its stand, the rent or morgage payment, couch or bed. ect.

Speaking of electric bill, Greenpeace gave M$ a failing grade. Sony did much better. :)