Who said PC gaming was expensive?

Not gonna compare specs or how much things cost individually myself, just gonna leave this video which shows that a $265 computer can max Crysis at a decent framerate. Thats less than a PS3, some of the 360 models and just a bit higher than the 3DS launch price IIRC.

It depends on how much is $265 worth where you live

It depends on how much is $265 worth where you live

Lox_Cropek

Lol?

Using that same logic, consoles can be expensive aswell.

That vid was uploaded in 2008 and the price of those has probably droped a lot.

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

[QUOTE="Lox_Cropek"]

It depends on how much is $265 worth where you live

coreybg

Lol?

Using that same logic, consoles can be expensive aswell.

That vid was uploaded in 2008 and the price of those has probably droped a lot.

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

If a person has a console, controller, cables and TV lying around logic would assume they have a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Linux is entirely free and does gaming just fine through Wine.

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Sandvichman

Oh yes, of course, how can I forget.

I guess I could go to my parents house and dig out my old monitor and ball mouse with no mousewheel from 95.

I did, live in norway, pc is expensive here.

I remember saying that

Nice find TC. This proves to consolers that PC gaming is NOT EXPENSIVE. The video shows MAXING out games in FULL HD 1080P+ in games like Resident Evil 5, Far Cry 2, and other games not shows like Modern Warfare 2, Dirt 2 all for LESS THAN $300. While consoles would be running those games at their lame 720P resolution or below. And remember this was in August of 2010. Hardware prices have fallen farther so you could get even better hardware for the same price. This is proof that PC gaming is the better platform overall.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Whiteblade999

If a person has a console, controller, cables and TV lying around logic would assume they have a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Linux is entirely free and does gaming just fine through Wine.

You ever try running games through Wine? Like at this moment, are you running a distro of Linux with Wine installed.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Sandvichman

Now then, you wouldn't really get the fun out of ur game now would u with those. You would basicly be a dissatisfied PC gamer.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

Oh yes, of course, how can I forget.

I guess I could go to my parents house and dig out my old monitor and ball mouse with no mousewheel from 95.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

TehFuneral

Now then, you wouldn't really get the fun out of ur game now would u with those. You would basicly be a dissatisfied PC gamer.

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

If a person has a console, controller, cables and TV lying around logic would assume they have a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Linux is entirely free and does gaming just fine through Wine.

You ever try running games through Wine?

I don't think Wine would do gaming well from what I hear. Even Mac OSes are not that good for gaming. That's why people who have Macbook Pro's have Windows Dual-boot through Boot Camp so they could game on their Windows partition on their Mac's.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

If a person has a console, controller, cables and TV lying around logic would assume they have a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Linux is entirely free and does gaming just fine through Wine.

Xtasy26

You ever try running games through Wine?

I don't think Wine would do gaming well from what I hear. Even Mac OSes are not that good for gaming. That's why people who have Macbook Pro's have Windows Dual-boot through Boot Camp so they could game on their Windows partition on their Mac's.

But apparently with used parts and Linux you can have amazing PC gaming experiances for less than consoles!

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

If a person has a console, controller, cables and TV lying around logic would assume they have a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Linux is entirely free and does gaming just fine through Wine.

You do understand you need Windows to run Wine right? You can't just install Wine and have it run .exe applications. Not to mention driver support for the graphics cards.

Also yes, somebody who has a console and TV probably doesn't just have old PC parts, especially if they are younger. When you buy a TV and a console it doesn't come with a monitor and keyboard...

Being a student gets you an OS nearly free thanks to the discount, which is how I got vista for mine. Ask a friend if you aren't a student yourself as it isn't very hard.

I don't know where you are from but around here everyone, even the 60 year olds with little technological background, have a spare mouse + keyboard lying around. If you want to factor in the cost of a monitor then factor in the cost of a TV.

You have to know build it.

Probably doesn't include what I consider to be the "dreaded" keyboard and mouse(Still don't see how people play games like that...). $20

Doesn't include a decent monitor. $100

Probably lacks an OS. $ 90

= $475 = Probably not worth the time, money, and effort.

But if it came pre-built at that price then I'd be sold.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

If a person has a console, controller, cables and TV lying around logic would assume they have a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Linux is entirely free and does gaming just fine through Wine.

Whiteblade999

You do understand you need Windows to run Wine right? You can't just install Wine and have it run .exe applications. Not to mention driver support for the graphics cards.

Also yes, somebody who has a console and TV probably doesn't just have old PC parts, especially if they are younger. When you buy a TV and a console it doesn't come with a monitor and keyboard...

Being a student gets you an OS nearly free thanks to the discount, which is how I got vista for mine. Ask a friend if you aren't a student yourself as it isn't very hard.

I don't know where you are from but around here everyone, even the 60 year olds with little technological background, have a spare mouse + keyboard lying around. If you want to factor in the cost of a monitor then factor in the cost of a TV.

You're still saying you can make a cheap computer that runs all of the games with your example being a computer made of used parts.

You're just lying to yourself it you think that PC gaming is cheap. Any self respecting PC gamer here will say otherwise (and has in this thread). PC gaming has never been cheap, that is one of the major reasons why console gaming even exists.

If PCs were cheap and easy to use consoles would never have even come into existence. However this has never been the case.

As for the argument of old parts, are you seriously saying I should go back to a CRT monitor that we have at home, a keyboard from the late 90s, and a mouse with a ball in it just to save some money? That's the same as shaving with a sharpened stone. Sure it gets the job done, but you're missing out everything.

Most people don't know how to actually build a computer, let alone figure out which parts to select. Thus it's inaccessible to a lot of people, whereas consoles aren't.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] Dont be silly, i can find a old mous and keyboard from the 90s for 5 bucks, and a old crt moniter i found in a alley for free, OSSandvichman

Now then, you wouldn't really get the fun out of ur game now would u with those. You would basicly be a dissatisfied PC gamer.

Call me slow, dim witted, failed sarcasm detector but I honestly do not know what point are you exactly making with that sarcasm of urs?

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You do understand you need Windows to run Wine right? You can't just install Wine and have it run .exe applications. Not to mention driver support for the graphics cards.

Also yes, somebody who has a console and TV probably doesn't just have old PC parts, especially if they are younger. When you buy a TV and a console it doesn't come with a monitor and keyboard...

Wasdie

Being a student gets you an OS nearly free thanks to the discount, which is how I got vista for mine. Ask a friend if you aren't a student yourself as it isn't very hard.

I don't know where you are from but around here everyone, even the 60 year olds with little technological background, have a spare mouse + keyboard lying around. If you want to factor in the cost of a monitor then factor in the cost of a TV.

You're still saying you can make a cheap computer that runs all of the games with your example being a computer made of used parts.

You're just lying to yourself it you think that PC gaming is cheap. Any self respecting PC gamer here will say otherwise (and has in this thread). PC gaming has never been cheap, that is one of the major reasons why console gaming even exists.

If PCs were cheap and easy to use consoles would never have even come into existence. However this has never been the case.

As for the argument of old parts, are you seriously saying I should go back to a CRT monitor that we have at home, a keyboard from the late 90s, and a mouse with a ball in it just to save some money? That's the same as shaving with a sharpened stone. Sure it gets the job done, but you're missing out everything.

My total computer cost me about $400 (adding in a $100 that I did a year ago) two years ago which runs anything I throw at it good enough. Got an LCD monitor off a friend who sells them wholesale for about $100 a few years ago (before I upgraded at all). Had the same mouse and keyboard for 8 years and no issues with performance. If you adjusted the prices it would be closer to $300 today for the parts + OS (student discount like I mentioned earlier), and a cheap monitor for $100 (which again I don't count unless you count a TV).

There are 2 type of PC gamers, those who want the latest and greatest with 3 monitors, 2 video cards and whatever else for games like Metro or soon to be Shogun: Total War, this is you. The other wants to experience the mass amounts of games on the platform that aren't glorified tech demos (some of them are nice granted but most are shallow), play mods and have a great amount of flexibility in customization for the software, which is me.

PCs being hard to use? If my 80 year old grandmother can figure out how to use her laptop then I think you can do it just fine.

Most people don't know how to actually build a computer, let alone figure out which parts to select. Thus it's inaccessible to a lot of people, whereas consoles aren't.

PoindeJ

Most people don't know how to actually build a computer, let alone figure out which parts to select. Thus it's inaccessible to a lot of people, whereas consoles aren't.

PoindeJ

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Being a student gets you an OS nearly free thanks to the discount, which is how I got vista for mine. Ask a friend if you aren't a student yourself as it isn't very hard.

I don't know where you are from but around here everyone, even the 60 year olds with little technological background, have a spare mouse + keyboard lying around. If you want to factor in the cost of a monitor then factor in the cost of a TV.

Whiteblade999

You're still saying you can make a cheap computer that runs all of the games with your example being a computer made of used parts.

You're just lying to yourself it you think that PC gaming is cheap. Any self respecting PC gamer here will say otherwise (and has in this thread). PC gaming has never been cheap, that is one of the major reasons why console gaming even exists.

If PCs were cheap and easy to use consoles would never have even come into existence. However this has never been the case.

As for the argument of old parts, are you seriously saying I should go back to a CRT monitor that we have at home, a keyboard from the late 90s, and a mouse with a ball in it just to save some money? That's the same as shaving with a sharpened stone. Sure it gets the job done, but you're missing out everything.

My total computer cost me about $400 (adding in a $100 that I did a year ago) two years ago which runs anything I throw at it good enough. Got an LCD monitor off a friend who sells them wholesale for about $100 a few years ago (before I upgraded at all). Had the same mouse and keyboard for 8 years and no issues with performance. If you adjusted the prices it would be closer to $300 today for the parts + OS (student discount like I mentioned earlier), and a cheap monitor for $100 (which again I don't count unless you count a TV).

There are 2 type of PC gamers, those who want the latest and greatest with 3 monitors, 2 video cards and whatever else for games like Metro or soon to be Shogun: Total War, this is you. The other wants to experience the mass amounts of games on the platform that aren't glorified tech demos (some of them are nice granted but most are shallow), play mods and have a great amount of flexibility in customization for the software, which is me.

PCs being hard to use? If my 80 year old grandmother can figure out how to use her laptop then I think you can do it just fine.

Your argument is assuming that A) We know people who can get us good deals, B) we want used parts C) we are a student or have a friend who is a student D) we don't mind outdated/non-gaming accessories E) everybody knows how to build a computer from cheap parts F) most of us are satisfied with outdated parts and the hassle it takes to get them all G) we don't mind playing older titles.

With that $400, I would have probably just went out and bought a brand new gaming console and a few new games. No having to turn down settings, no having to assemble it and pray that the used parts don't die on us, no having to worry about if I can run a new game...

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

Wait a normal person doesn't have an OS, monitor, mouse and keyboard lying around? So every time I buy a new computer I need a new keyboard, monitor, mouse ect?

Um what?

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Now then, you wouldn't really get the fun out of ur game now would u with those. You would basicly be a dissatisfied PC gamer.

TehFuneral

Call me slow, dim witted, failed sarcasm detector but I honestly do not know what point are you exactly making with that sarcasm of urs?

Not all of us, infact most of us, are probably not satisfied with using old parts, especially when it comes to hardware within the computer.

I know people who build brand new PC's at a budget then worry if they can even run the newest games. What's the point then? Just buy a console and play everything new on that thing.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] Sorry, couldnt hear through my 1982 compaw speakers and 56K modem!Wasdie

Call me slow, dim witted, failed sarcasm detector but I honestly do not know what point are you exactly making with that sarcasm of urs?

Not all of us, infact most of us, are probably not satisfied with using old parts, especially when it comes to hardware within the computer.

I know people who build brand new PC's at a budget then worry if they can even run the newest games. What's the point then? Just buy a console and play everything new on that thing.

I dont get why people scream about including a monitor.

I haven't seen anyone include an HDTV when saying a console is cheap....

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

The__Havoc

Wait a normal person doesn't have an OS, monitor, mouse and keyboard lying around? So every time I buy a new computer I need a new keyboard, monitor, mouse ect?

Um what?

Your assuming that a person wanting to get into gaming already doesn't have a PC sitting somewhere.

I know a lot of kids leaving home don't have this at all. A lot of us used a family computer and shared our consoles with our siblings. I don't know where people think all of these parts, especially a useable and current operating system, can just come from out of nowhere.

This also applies to having a TV or not. I know I didn't have one until a few years after I moved out of my parents house.

I dont get why people scream about including a monitor.

I haven't seen anyone include an HDTV when saying a console is cheap....

coreybg

Generally TV's are purchased for other reasons than just gaming. If you don't have one, then yes you should factor that in. However most people have some sort of a TV as usually people value TV more than a game console as you can do much more with a TV than you can with a game console.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Call me slow, dim witted, failed sarcasm detector but I honestly do not know what point are you exactly making with that sarcasm of urs?

neo_Savant

Not all of us, infact most of us, are probably not satisfied with using old parts, especially when it comes to hardware within the computer.

I know people who build brand new PC's at a budget then worry if they can even run the newest games. What's the point then? Just buy a console and play everything new on that thing.

I didn't. I'm just saying people do. When I build computers I budget myself out about 1,000-1,200 for the PC it'self then a few hundred for the accessories. Sure you don't need to spend that much, but building computers for 400-500 without any accessories and stuff usually ends up in having to upgrade much sooner. If you lack the parts you then need to buy the monitor and find a keyboard, mouse, and OS. All of these things add up.

It's usually just safe to build yourself a computer for like 700-800 and make sure it is up to snuff.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

Wait a normal person doesn't have an OS, monitor, mouse and keyboard lying around? So every time I buy a new computer I need a new keyboard, monitor, mouse ect?

Um what?

Your assuming that a person wanting to get into gaming already doesn't have a PC sitting somewhere.

I know a lot of kids leaving home don't have this at all. A lot of us used a family computer and shared our consoles with our siblings. I don't know where people think all of these parts, especially a useable and current operating system, can just come from out of nowhere.

This also applies to having a TV or not. I know I didn't have one until a few years after I moved out of my parents house.

No I'm assuming that anyone already typing on this forum is um typing from a computer....?

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

Wasdie

Wait a normal person doesn't have an OS, monitor, mouse and keyboard lying around? So every time I buy a new computer I need a new keyboard, monitor, mouse ect?

Um what?

Your assuming that a person wanting to get into gaming already doesn't have a PC sitting somewhere.

I know a lot of kids leaving home don't have this at all. A lot of us used a family computer and shared our consoles with our siblings. I don't know where people think all of these parts, especially a useable and current operating system, can just come from out of nowhere.

This also applies to having a TV or not. I know I didn't have one until a few years after I moved out of my parents house.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

I dont get why people scream about including a monitor.

I haven't seen anyone include an HDTV when saying a console is cheap....

Wasdie

Generally TV's are purchased for other reasons than just gaming. If you don't have one, then yes you should factor that in. However most people have some sort of a TV as usually people value TV more than a game console as you can do much more with a TV than you can with a game console.

You can also plug your PC into the TV, it isn't any different from pluging in a console.

I know most people buy monitors, but TVs can be used just like monitors.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Wait a normal person doesn't have an OS, monitor, mouse and keyboard lying around? So every time I buy a new computer I need a new keyboard, monitor, mouse ect?

Um what?

The__Havoc

Your assuming that a person wanting to get into gaming already doesn't have a PC sitting somewhere.

I know a lot of kids leaving home don't have this at all. A lot of us used a family computer and shared our consoles with our siblings. I don't know where people think all of these parts, especially a useable and current operating system, can just come from out of nowhere.

This also applies to having a TV or not. I know I didn't have one until a few years after I moved out of my parents house.

No I'm assuming that anyone already typing on this forum is um typing from a computer....?

You do know that Gamespot is not nearly a good sample for the entire gaming population? All of us obviously have higher interest in games. Even for us, PC gaming can be expensive if you actually want to play modern games.

How about everybody else? A lot of people just have laptops that they got for a graduation present or something. That is how I got my first real computer.

[QUOTE="neo_Savant"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Not all of us, infact most of us, are probably not satisfied with using old parts, especially when it comes to hardware within the computer.

I know people who build brand new PC's at a budget then worry if they can even run the newest games. What's the point then? Just buy a console and play everything new on that thing.

Wasdie

I didn't. I'm just saying people do. When I build computers I budget myself out about 1,000-1,200 for the PC it'self then a few hundred for the accessories. Sure you don't need to spend that much, but building computers for 400-500 without any accessories and stuff usually ends up in having to upgrade much sooner. If you lack the parts you then need to buy the monitor and find a keyboard, mouse, and OS. All of these things add up.

It's usually just safe to build yourself a computer for like 700-800 and make sure it is up to snuff.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Wait a normal person doesn't have an OS, monitor, mouse and keyboard lying around? So every time I buy a new computer I need a new keyboard, monitor, mouse ect?

Um what?

neo_Savant

Your assuming that a person wanting to get into gaming already doesn't have a PC sitting somewhere.

I know a lot of kids leaving home don't have this at all. A lot of us used a family computer and shared our consoles with our siblings. I don't know where people think all of these parts, especially a useable and current operating system, can just come from out of nowhere.

This also applies to having a TV or not. I know I didn't have one until a few years after I moved out of my parents house.

It was. Thats why I bought my gaming PC first. Then I bought my xbox 360 and used the VGA cables to connect it to my PC monitor and used my PC speakers. Then I bought myself a little HDTV becuase I didn't even have a TV.

However at the time I was living in a dorm with another guy who always had a TV. So I always had a TV.

I guess it comes down to value. If you're living on your own, which one would you want to invest more into? Would you blow it all on a TV and console, or all on a gaming PC? How about splitting the money?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

If a person has a console, controller, cables and TV lying around logic would assume they have a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Linux is entirely free and does gaming just fine through Wine.

Whiteblade999

You do understand you need Windows to run Wine right? You can't just install Wine and have it run .exe applications. Not to mention driver support for the graphics cards.

Also yes, somebody who has a console and TV probably doesn't just have old PC parts, especially if they are younger. When you buy a TV and a console it doesn't come with a monitor and keyboard...

Being a student gets you an OS nearly free thanks to the discount, which is how I got vista for mine. Ask a friend if you aren't a student yourself as it isn't very hard.

I don't know where you are from but around here everyone, even the 60 year olds with little technological background, have a spare mouse + keyboard lying around. If you want to factor in the cost of a monitor then factor in the cost of a TV.

Realistically it comes down to what kind of gamer you are, if you just want to burn 20 minutes shooting someone stick to the console. If you game a lot you need to work at getting a PC, this video proves its a viable option.

Hearing some of you talk I guess I forgot what it was like to be broke and just out of high school lol. Its not even a discussion the older you get, its PC gaming all the way; sparing no expense.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

I dont get why people scream about including a monitor.

I haven't seen anyone include an HDTV when saying a console is cheap....

Wasdie

Generally TV's are purchased for other reasons than just gaming. If you don't have one, then yes you should factor that in. However most people have some sort of a TV as usually people value TV more than a game console as you can do much more with a TV than you can with a game console.

Even though most people do both have monitors and TV around, they might not exactly be both HD. You could have a CRT monitor or an SDTV. Either ways, if you would want a console or a gaming PC you might consider getting a better screen. so basicly its the same thing.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I think a decent PC, OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse (the stuff that a normal person doesn't just have laying around) is going to cost a bit more than $300.

TehFuneral

Now then, you wouldn't really get the fun out of ur game now would u with those. You would basicly be a dissatisfied PC gamer.

Your argument is assuming that A) We know people who can get us good deals, B) we want used parts C) we are a student or have a friend who is a student D) we don't mind outdated/non-gaming accessories E) everybody knows how to build a computer from cheap parts F) most of us are satisfied with outdated parts and the hassle it takes to get them all G) we don't mind playing older titles.

With that $400, I would have probably just went out and bought a brand new gaming console and a few new games. No having to turn down settings, no having to assemble it and pray that the used parts don't die on us, no having to worry about if I can run a new game...

Wasdie

A) If you don't want to get something cheap what are you doing PC gaming? Half the fun about PC gaming is all the games are cheap with things like Steam or Gamersgate. It is only as expensive as you make it, if you don't have a friend to get you a good deal then wait for Black Friday and get the same deals as door busters.

B)Did I say anything about used parts in relation to my computer? Everything except the mouse and keyboard were new. The video maybe have used parts but it shows the concept that it *can* be done.

C)All you need is a student email for the discount. It is as easy as going onto your favorite message board and having someone do it for you, most times people will oblige if you are nice enough or make it worth their while by helping them with a problem.

D)Again, if you want an expensive computer then build 1 but the people who want Metro to run across 3 monitors is the minority as shown by the popularity of Facebook games (this isn't the only factor obviously but I'm convinced it has a large part to do with it) and World of Warcraft.

E)I built my first computer two years ago with NO experience outside of swapping a video card or RAM from a prebuilt, youtube and google made it cake.

F)Parts don't have to be outdated, the dual core I have was cheap when I bought it but by no means outdated. Just look for the best price/performance ratio.

G)Crysis plays at 1680x1050 on my GTX 460 just fine, Metro runs fine with some stuff turned down and I bet I can run Shogun at a good framerate on medium/high with some tweaks. Unless you count those as old for whatever reason.

I assume if people want to get something cheap they will go the extra mile to find the best deals or wait, otherwise arguing over what is the cheapest is a moot point as the person doesn't care. I could easily drop enough to get a high end system but what is the point when what I have is effective and the money is better spent on more important things?

A gaming PC that performs better than a 360/PS3 can be bought for the same price with non-used parts including a $20 mouse/keyboard combo that can be bought almost everywhere. So those who say "I refuse to use used parts and mouse/keyboards from the 90's" can stop using that to prove their case. It may not have the performance of the video above, but you can easily build a computer that performs better than the console counter-part, assuming it's a game that was optimized for the PC, and not a crappy port.

However, arguing this point is never going to make the console lovers agree, they are going to complain about obtaining an OS, and how difficult it is to assemble a computer / find deals for individual parts and the amount of tech knowledge they need and blabla. System wars needs to accept the fact that most console users that have never built a computer are going to be ignorant and assume many things they know nothing about. There is no getting through them.

They don't want to spend the few hours it takes to deduce that there are probably even stores around them that builds computer for a $25-$50 fee from parts they can choose or you can choose (and if you're not a techy you can easily ask on the internet for quick answers). Furthermore, they won't dare bother reading a 5 page book that often comes free when you buy parts that tells you exactly how to assemble a computer (for those who have never built one before, it is easier than putting something from IKEA together.) They like many people this generation, refuse to put in the effort to learn anything about a product and instead like the idea of hopping on the bandwaggon and buying whatever releases at full price without having to worry about anything at all.

It's sad but the majority of us live in a monkey-see monkey-do society where people seldom think for themselves. People would rather have everything work from the get go at inflated prices rather than get a cheaper/better product that requires more effort.