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#51 nameless12345
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That really depends on how wealthy you are. If you're Bill Gates, it's really cheap, but if you're a homeless, it's a real fortune ;)

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PC gaming is expensive if you don't have knowledge about what to build. Considering your average consumer doesn't know the difference between ram, and a hard drive it's safe to say their going to have a hard time building a computer.

So lets look at this from the eyes of an inexperienced consumer.

1st off where to buy:

Think about where your average consumer is going to buy their electronics not where somebody who's already tech savvy is going. Chances are your average consumer is going to buy a pc at a retail store, and if they want a gaming pc they'll probably go to best buy. For fun go to best buy's website and check out their gaming pc selection. You're probably thinking to yourself "those are ripoffs", but is the average consumer really going to know that. If the consumer happens to go to the store it's going to be a crap shoot depending on what the sales rep recommends. Dell has some low cost gaming pcs, but those are crap for gaming we all know it. Overall most pre-build "gaming" pcs from popular retailers are expensive.

How console gaming compares:

You can pretty much buy the same consoles anywhere (newegg, best buy, walmart) for roughly the same price. Though price varies there's no blatant ripoff like we saw w/ the alienware pcs.

2nd what to buy:

Most consumers are completely confused on what to buy for a gaming pc. I'm sure most of us could make recommendations but that's going to be a list of specs which is just going to confuse the average consumer. Even if there was an exact pc model that was a good buy and played games great it's unlikely to be an easy find cause there are so many pc models, and changes occur so often.

How console gaming compares:

Now console gaming has become more confusing, but still you can buy any ps3, xbox, or wii and play any game for the system. About the worse you could do is buy the 360 arcade system, and realize you probably want a hard drive.

3rd playing the game:

PC gaming can be a hassle. Let me walk you through your new pc game purchase (typical retail, not steam or DD). Before you buy you should check min/rec spec, and compare to my pc specs to see if I can run the game. Then put the game disc into the PC. Auto run picks up the install executable (if not hopefully you can find it yourself). Run through install options hope there's enough space on your hard drive. If not spend an hour managing space. After install is done enter serial key. Now run the game executable. If the game doesn't run you'll spend the next hour to week figuring out what is wrong. This happens to every PC gamer at some point in time. No matter what rig you have somewhere there is a game that's not going to play nice w/ it.

How console gaming compares:

Before you buy make sure you bought the game for the right system. Put game in disk tray. If online game does automatic update. After update play game.

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#53 rpgs_shall_rule
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That really depends on how wealthy you are. If you're Bill Gates, it's really cheap, but if you're a homeless, it's a real fortune ;)

nameless12345

What if you just got kicked out of your house but still are Bill Gates? :D

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#54 deadesa
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] I like my parts not used, cmon.

Who said anything about buying used? You could still find those components new in box at reduced prices I'm sure due to being "old" technology.
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PC gaming is expensive if you don't have knowledge about what to build. Considering your average consumer doesn't know the difference between ram, and a hard drive it's safe to say their going to have a hard time building a computer.

So lets look at this from the eyes of an inexperienced consumer.

1st off where to buy:

Think about where your average consumer is going to buy their electronics not where somebody who's already tech savvy is going. Chances are your average consumer is going to buy a pc at a retail store, and if they want a gaming pc they'll probably go to best buy. For fun go to best buy's website and check out their gaming pc selection. You're probably thinking to yourself "those are ripoffs", but is the average consumer really going to know that. If the consumer happens to go to the store it's going to be a crap shoot depending on what the sales rep recommends. Dell has some low cost gaming pcs, but those are crap for gaming we all know it. Overall most pre-build "gaming" pcs from popular retailers are expensive.

How console gaming compares:

You can pretty much buy the same consoles anywhere (newegg, best buy, walmart) for roughly the same price. Though price varies there's no blatant ripoff like we saw w/ the alienware pcs.

2nd what to buy:

Most consumers are completely confused on what to buy for a gaming pc. I'm sure most of us could make recommendations but that's going to be a list of specs which is just going to confuse the average consumer. Even if there was an exact pc model that was a good buy and played games great it's unlikely to be an easy find cause there are so many pc models, and changes occur so often.

How console gaming compares:

Now console gaming has become more confusing, but still you can buy any ps3, xbox, or wii and play any game for the system. About the worse you could do is buy the 360 arcade system, and realize you probably want a hard drive.

3rd playing the game:

PC gaming can be a hassle. Let me walk you through your new pc game purchase (typical retail, not steam or DD). Before you buy you should check min/rec spec, and compare to my pc specs to see if I can run the game. Then put the game disc into the PC. Auto run picks up the install executable (if not hopefully you can find it yourself). Run through install options hope there's enough space on your hard drive. If not spend an hour managing space. After install is done enter serial key. Now run the game executable. If the game doesn't run you'll spend the next hour to week figuring out what is wrong. This happens to every PC gamer at some point in time. No matter what rig you have somewhere there is a game that's not going to play nice w/ it.

How console gaming compares:

Before you buy make sure you bought the game for the right system. Put game in disk tray. If online game does automatic update. After update play game.

jrhawk42

1. You are correct that many people are ignorant on what to buy. I was always raised on computer shops etc compared to going to retail stores like best buy.. I do agree alot of people get baited horribly at those stores thinking they got a good Pc to learn its some old generation hunk of junk. I just recently went to a best buy who had a 600 dollar pc that was promoted as something great but upon inspection learned it was a old e2200 cpu, 2gigs of ddr2 667 ram, integrated graphics, 1tb harddrive computer. Those stores are infamous for crap like that and many times people are gullible. Nothing better then being called by a relative who states they got some new quad core computer to learn its a Phenom I 9750 (crappy quad) has no graphics card and family members can't watch videos on youtube higher then 480p lol.

With that said, ignorance is not a a good thing regardless. Honestly, if a person does not want to learn about what they are buying, they have no reason to get mad or feel upset on the end product.. That goes for people buying ps3 that didn't have the ps2 engine inside, the people who got early 360's to learn no hdmi out, or those getting 4gb kinect edition 360's to learn all the problems that results from such a low harddrive size.

2 .Knowledge is key. I haven't had a issue on "hardrive size", having a game not work, etc in years. I also keep my computer maintained.. I keep my computer up to date, don't bloatware it up, and maintain the general maintenience (disk defrag auto setup ever month, etc etc). Lets not state every here.. Many but not every.

I also don't buy a brand new game on release jsut as I don't do it on my consoles these days.. I wait a month or 2 till after a couple updates before deciding on a game. By then, most of the bugs have been patched out.

If you wanna compare, many console games are put game in disk tray, install to hd, clear space, wait for updates, start to play and like many pc games these days, still have bugs and crashes etc.. Just nature of the times now.

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#56 dontshackzmii
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120+ for windows

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#57 rpgs_shall_rule
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120+ for windows

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OEM ftw, or as already said, get a student copy.

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#58 jrhawk42
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

120+ for windows

rpgs_shall_rule

OEM ftw, or as already said, get a student copy.

will somebody please link this... cause I worked for MS, and had to pay $60 for a copy.

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#59 deadesa
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will somebody please link this... cause I worked for MS, and had to pay $60 for a copy.

jrhawk42

I paid 64.99 for my student copy too. Unless they sell them grossly cheaper at his college student store, which could be I suppose, he is just exaggerating.

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#60 iAtrocious
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If those numbers were valid six years ago...

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#61 rpgs_shall_rule
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[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

120+ for windows

jrhawk42

OEM ftw, or as already said, get a student copy.

will somebody please link this... cause I worked for MS, and had to pay $60 for a copy.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/archive/b/windows7/archive/2009/09/17/student-offer-for-windows-7.aspx

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#62 deadesa
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http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/archive/b/windows7/archive/2009/09/17/student-offer-for-windows-7.aspx

rpgs_shall_rule

that's a preorder offer that's no longer valid I believe

edit: proof

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#63 lespaul1919
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I love how my PC is head and shoulders above the specs of that, yet it runs crysis WAY better.

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#64 rpgs_shall_rule
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[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/archive/b/windows7/archive/2009/09/17/student-offer-for-windows-7.aspx

deadesa

that's a preorder offer that's no longer valid I believe

It's probable something like that will happen every year. Even if it doesn't, I'll be likely to get a huge discount if I make it into Waterloo next year :P

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#65 vkun
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TC you are such a desperate PC fanboy. The guy bought all those parts used at a huge bargain on forums/ebay. Why couldnt you include that in your OP? It seems like youre trying to spread lies now. 90% of people wont be able to get those parts that cheap.

A 3870x2 for $60? Please. Try to be a little more honest next time instead of spreading this propaganda. This is actually the second time Ive seen someone post this video to argue that PC gaming is cheap without including the fact that those parts were used and significantly discounted. Not saying it isnt cheap, just not this cheap.

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#66 BigBoss255
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I say PC gaming is expensive because I know nothing about building a PC and if I got one I would want it to max out Crysis. That would be at least £600 or something.

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#67 mayceV
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listen, if you want a good rig that can play games on high a year or two from now then yes it'd cost close to 1000 dollars if you start from scratch. if the OS is 200$, Case 50$ the CPU is 200$, GPU is 200$, HDD is 100$, MoBo 100$, RAM 100$, Keyboard Mouse and speakers 50$ (if you're gong chaep other wise another 100-150$ easy) Then you need a monitor for another 100-150$. If you don't vare for eye candy then you can get together a rig for 500-600$ that'll get games playing at med. PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming there's no way around it. Its not 2000$ like people believe but if you want to get a good rig that'll get you good for a few years then yes you'll need save some money up.
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People seem to forget that the type of games matter and not everybody is interested in the type of games that are out on PC.

As for the price of a gaming PC, sure you could probably build an okay one for 300 if you really do your research, but PC's will always need upgrades in the future. At least with consoles you buy it once and then you have it running strong for at least 6 - 8 years with no need for upgrades.

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People seem to forget that the type of games matter and not everybody is interested in the type of games that are out on PC.

As for the price of a gaming PC, sure you could probably build an okay one for 300 if you really do your research, but PC's will always need upgrades in the future. At least with consoles you buy it once and then you have it running strong for at least 6 - 8 years with no need for upgrades.

gammer152

And people always seem to forget that maxed out on PC far surpasses console performance. A GTX 460 could handle anything up to the start of the next console generation at quality easily outstripping that of consoles.

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#70 MIYAMOTOnext007
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The next PC I build for Witcher 2 and other future games will probably be around $700 depending on how great I want it to be. $700 really won't hurt me much, considering I'm not a kid that can only mow lawns for money anymore :lol: Spending a decent amount of money on one of your main hobbies as an adult is a good thing.

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#71 neo_Savant
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People seem to forget that the type of games matter and not everybody is interested in the type of games that are out on PC.

As for the price of a gaming PC, sure you could probably build an okay one for 300 if you really do your research, but PC's will always need upgrades in the future. At least with consoles you buy it once and then you have it running strong for at least 6 - 8 years with no need for upgrades.

gammer152
I agree that "types of games" should influence your purchase one way or another. That's why exclusives stand out so much more than multi-plats. However, why would you "always" need upgrades? My wife's computer is a 5 year old dual-core with a 9600 GTX and 4 gigs of RAM. It is still miles ahead of anything consoles can produce technically and by industry standards her PC is obsolete. The problem appears to be this misnomer that when you have a gaming rig you're constantly spending money to keep it fully optimized. This just isn't true at all. Anyone who would spend money on their PC at the rate in-which people think is required here would be bankrupt.
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As for the price of a gaming PC, sure you could probably build an okay one for 300 if you really do your research, but PC's will always need upgrades in the future. At least with consoles you buy it once and then you have it running strong for at least 6 - 8 years with no need for upgrades.

gammer152

I built my first PC when the Playstation 3 was just comming out...I haven't upgraded since and still max out every game at the settings a PS3 can do...I will upgrade around the same time the PS4 comes out. (unless I really wanna max The Witcher 2 when it comes out, then I will upgrade before PS4 drops. lol)

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#73 glez13
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All gaming is expensive, and PC is usually up there with the champs.

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[QUOTE="gammer152"]

As for the price of a gaming PC, sure you could probably build an okay one for 300 if you really do your research, but PC's will always need upgrades in the future. At least with consoles you buy it once and then you have it running strong for at least 6 - 8 years with no need for upgrades.

MIYAMOTOnext007

I built my first PC when the Playstation 3 was just comming out...I haven't upgraded since and still max out every game at the settings a PS3 can do...I will upgrade around the same time the PS4 comes out. (unless I really wanna max The Witcher 2 when it comes out, then I will upgrade before PS4 drops. lol)

I highly doubt it.

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[QUOTE="MIYAMOTOnext007"]

[QUOTE="gammer152"]

As for the price of a gaming PC, sure you could probably build an okay one for 300 if you really do your research, but PC's will always need upgrades in the future. At least with consoles you buy it once and then you have it running strong for at least 6 - 8 years with no need for upgrades.

deangallop

I built my first PC when the Playstation 3 was just comming out...I haven't upgraded since and still max out every game at the settings a PS3 can do...I will upgrade around the same time the PS4 comes out. (unless I really wanna max The Witcher 2 when it comes out, then I will upgrade before PS4 drops. lol)

I highly doubt it.

I don't know about gammer but a old rig I had was made right at the time of the ps3 and even after upgrades cost less then the ps3. I spoke on it during May edition of System Wars Monthly pdf page 9

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#76 glez13
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[QUOTE="MIYAMOTOnext007"]

[QUOTE="gammer152"]

As for the price of a gaming PC, sure you could probably build an okay one for 300 if you really do your research, but PC's will always need upgrades in the future. At least with consoles you buy it once and then you have it running strong for at least 6 - 8 years with no need for upgrades.

deangallop

I built my first PC when the Playstation 3 was just comming out...I haven't upgraded since and still max out every game at the settings a PS3 can do...I will upgrade around the same time the PS4 comes out. (unless I really wanna max The Witcher 2 when it comes out, then I will upgrade before PS4 drops. lol)

I highly doubt it.

The "every" part yes. But a 8800gt still gives the same performance and maybe a little more with settings equivalent to that of a PS3 in a lot of games. He may even have a GTX or ULTRA or some other model that was better, I don't remember the cards.

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#77 deadesa
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is 200$, Case 50$ the CPU is 200$, GPU is 200$, HDD is 100$, MoBo 100$, RAM 100$, Keyboard Mouse and speakers 50$ (if you're gong chaep other wise another 100-150$ easy) Then you need a monitor for another 100-150$.mayceV
Most of those prices are rather exagerated. For the GPU, 5850s can be had for $170 (great price). Ram is $45 for ddr3 1600 with rather tight timings. AMD CPUs can be had for less than $70 that can be unlocked and over clocked at a push of a button. One terrabyte HDD run around $70 as well. Plus Windows 7 OEM is $99, no need to purchase retail really. I do agree PC gaming isn't the cheapest hobby around but it isn't the money-sink people make it out to be. A truly great gaming rig can be had for $600. The over all value far exceeds the added cost IMHO
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I have shown this video here a few times. Also, remember that this video is from August of 2010 so the prices of the hardware in that video are likely a bit lower now. Also, I hate when people say that there is still the m/kb (can get for $5), OS (Linux is free), and monitor (which people always seem to leave off the price of a TV when talking about consoles, and also that monitors are generally cheaper than TVs while also being higher resolutions and other better specs).
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You do know that Gamespot is not nearly a good sample for the entire gaming population? All of us obviously have higher interest in games. Even for us, PC gaming can be expensive if you actually want to play modern games.

How about everybody else? A lot of people just have laptops that they got for a graduation present or something. That is how I got my first real computer.

Wasdie

Its hard for me to believe that a person doesn't have some form of computer over the last 10 years with those parts lying around some where.

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He says he bought most of those parts used: He should have used the msrp of those parts. Besides, a 360 is only $100 now.

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PC gaming is expensive if you don't have knowledge about what to build. Considering your average consumer doesn't know the difference between ram, and a hard drive it's safe to say their going to have a hard time building a computer.

So lets look at this from the eyes of an inexperienced consumer.

1st off where to buy:

Think about where your average consumer is going to buy their electronics not where somebody who's already tech savvy is going. Chances are your average consumer is going to buy a pc at a retail store, and if they want a gaming pc they'll probably go to best buy. For fun go to best buy's website and check out their gaming pc selection. You're probably thinking to yourself "those are ripoffs", but is the average consumer really going to know that. If the consumer happens to go to the store it's going to be a crap shoot depending on what the sales rep recommends. Dell has some low cost gaming pcs, but those are crap for gaming we all know it. Overall most pre-build "gaming" pcs from popular retailers are expensive.

How console gaming compares:

You can pretty much buy the same consoles anywhere (newegg, best buy, walmart) for roughly the same price. Though price varies there's no blatant ripoff like we saw w/ the alienware pcs.

2nd what to buy:

Most consumers are completely confused on what to buy for a gaming pc. I'm sure most of us could make recommendations but that's going to be a list of specs which is just going to confuse the average consumer. Even if there was an exact pc model that was a good buy and played games great it's unlikely to be an easy find cause there are so many pc models, and changes occur so often.

How console gaming compares:

Now console gaming has become more confusing, but still you can buy any ps3, xbox, or wii and play any game for the system. About the worse you could do is buy the 360 arcade system, and realize you probably want a hard drive.

3rd playing the game:

PC gaming can be a hassle. Let me walk you through your new pc game purchase (typical retail, not steam or DD). Before you buy you should check min/rec spec, and compare to my pc specs to see if I can run the game. Then put the game disc into the PC. Auto run picks up the install executable (if not hopefully you can find it yourself). Run through install options hope there's enough space on your hard drive. If not spend an hour managing space. After install is done enter serial key. Now run the game executable. If the game doesn't run you'll spend the next hour to week figuring out what is wrong. This happens to every PC gamer at some point in time. No matter what rig you have somewhere there is a game that's not going to play nice w/ it.

How console gaming compares:

Before you buy make sure you bought the game for the right system. Put game in disk tray. If online game does automatic update. After update play game.

jrhawk42

For your 3rd, it's not difficult to read on the back of the game box what the game requires and then to compare it to your PC. If you are buying a PC you should know what the specs of the PC you are buying are and do some research before buying a PCthan justbuying a PC because the case looks good. Also it doesn't take an hour to manage disk space if you are out of disk space, just uninstall the games you don't play anymore.

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The the question. 1. PC gamers who spend lots of money on their machines. 2. PC gamers who upgrade frequently. 3. People who criticise PC gaming. Naturally you can PC game on a dated system for years ago, for next to nothing. Just don't expect to be playing Crysis.
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#83 wooooode
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You dont know what "max setings" is. That is like middle settings for Crysis. Either way we all know you can do alot with PCs you dont need the best.
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#84 mattuk69
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Most people could probably build something that cheap if they know where to look. That Overclockers place that he bought from was probably (barely) used stuff that he got at ~100USD. PC gaming is not expensive if you know where to look.Blacklight2
I use overclockers all the time. There are graphics cards on their for £100 or less that are atleast a generation ahead in performace.

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#85 Harisemo
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$300? you cant even get latest GPU for that price.

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#86 Sushiglutton
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Thank us console players for holding back developement!!! Without us games would be much more technically advanced and PC-gaming far more expensive. Luckily PC-gaming hasn't evolved in four years. So when u build ur cheap rig that can max everything, give some love to the console gamers!
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Its not cheap if you want the very best, and you dont want to compromise graphics setting when playing your games. If your on a budget you can still make a pretty decent PC with $600-700 but I still dont consider that cheap.

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Thank us console players for holding back developement!!! Without us games would be much more technically advanced and PC-gaming far more expensive. Luckily PC-gaming hasn't evolved in four years. So when u build ur cheap rig that can max everything, give some love to the console gamers!Sushiglutton
yeah I've been thinking about that for a while games like metro 2033 are either too much for todays hardware or just badly optimized. Many of the games you see on benchmarks are console ports so of course a high end PC would be able to handle them with ease. But what about games that really take advantage of PC's with graphics cards like the GTX 580 I have a feeling many PC gamers would not be able to run them, at least not at high resolution and high detail settings.