Who would win: Combine or Covenant?

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Also, considering the Combine have a weapon that launches a laser onto any point on Earth from space, it's safe to assume they hae space-based technology.

Shafftehr

Combine send out wave after wave of their so-called infinite army, bit by bit at a time from other dimensions, until the Covenant get wiped ou.

The Combine, with no outer-space technology, get uber-pwned by the Covenant from space.

The Covenant hide in outer space waiting for the Combine to create and come out of a portal into their reality, whereas the Combine to the opposite; wait inside their dimension until the Covenant land on Earth, resulting in a...campfest. :P

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]Combine. They defeated the human race in 7 hours. ;)tmntPunchout

Actually, I don't know about that. Halo 3's humans have space weapons, but on earth, what weapons have we seen them use..

Vehicles - Jeep w/ turret, tank, and air vehicles that shoot missiles. Only thing I think I'm missing is battlecruisers and such but they weren't used on any earth ground battles as much as I can remember.

Weapons - SMG, Assault rifle, sniper rifle, shotgun, pistol, battle rifle, gatling gun.. and I can't remember the rest right now. Yeap, I sure weapons of the same category and caliber have been made available today as well.

Hmm... Idk really, I think they were pretty much the same weapons available in half life as in halo in some variation or another.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Also, considering the Combine have a weapon that launches a laser onto any point on Earth from space, it's safe to assume they hae space-based technology.

super_mario_128

Combine send out wave after wave of their so-called infinite army, bit by bit at a time from other dimensions, until the Covenant get wiped ou.

The Combine, with no outer-space technology, get uber-pwned by the Covenant from space.

The Covenant hide in outer space waiting for the Combine to create and come out of a portal into their reality, whereas the Combine to the opposite; wait inside their dimension until the Covenant land on Earth, resulting in a...campfest. :P

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]Combine. They defeated the human race in 7 hours. ;)Ragnorok_247

Actually, I don't know about that. Halo 3's humans have space weapons, but on earth, what weapons have we seen them use..

Vehicles - Jeep w/ turret, tank, and air vehicles that shoot missiles. Only thing I think I'm missing is battlecruisers and such but they weren't used on any earth ground battles as much as I can remember.

Weapons - SMG, Assault rifle, sniper rifle, shotgun, pistol, battle rifle, gatling gun.. and I can't remember the rest right now. Yeap, I sure weapons of the same category and caliber have been made available today as well.

Hmm... Idk really, I think they were pretty much the same weapons available in half life as in halo in some variation or another.

Oh yeah haah, well I don't really know. I just find it entertaining that the same people who say that the technology and forces of the combine are still unknown are they same people who are so confident that the covenant would win. I don't really care though, I just think the combine since they're so mysterious. Maybe halo wars if there's a story mode will give us more backstory on how the war between humans and covenant fared.

boy, you've really thought this through, huh?

The way I see it, almost destroying well organized, prepared and technoligically advanced humans > taking over wimpy humans who are unorganized and unaware of an enemy approaching.

But it sure would be an awesome crossover if it was a comic or movie or something, huh?

beast667

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Just to put a summary point... In the HL games, have you seen ANYTHING presented by the Combine that could measure up to things like Covenant scarab tanks let alone dreadnoughts which turn entire continents to glass? I sure as heck haven't - not even close. The biggest pieces of hardware they've fielded are striders and those helicopter sized gunships, and they get taken out by 20th century rocket launchers. I'm not suggesting that the Combine doesn't have more, but the games don't show it, don't specify how big their empire is, or even whether they're dominant powers in the dimensions they inhabit. What we do see is that they're slowly getting kicked off of 20th century earth, won their victory when they took said earth by HUGE surprise, and that their portal technology is so inflexible that losing the Citadel seems to mean they can't even reinforce earth enough to stop the "defeated" humans from taking it back.

Based on what I've seen, a single Covenant dreadnought would be able to effectively wipe out all of Combine controlled earth... And the big question is, what is it that you think the Combine has that is going to shoot those hundreds to thousands of dreadnoughts from the sky (yes, the Covenant has that mean), and stop those Scarab tanks from running roughshod over everything the Combine can field on the ground?
ice144

1. Striders(and hunters? dont know what they'd do to scarab tanks though)

2. Superportal

3. Advisors

Each one of those invalidates each of the points in your post.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Also, considering the Combine have a weapon that launches a laser onto any point on Earth from space, it's safe to assume they hae space-based technology.

super_mario_128

Combine send out wave after wave of their so-called infinite army, bit by bit at a time from other dimensions, until the Covenant get wiped ou.

The Combine, with no outer-space technology, get uber-pwned by the Covenant from space.

The Covenant hide in outer space waiting for the Combine to create and come out of a portal into their reality, whereas the Combine to the opposite; wait inside their dimension until the Covenant land on Earth, resulting in a...campfest. :P

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Also, considering the Combine have a weapon that launches a laser onto any point on Earth from space, it's safe to assume they hae space-based technology.

Shafftehr

Combine send out wave after wave of their so-called infinite army, bit by bit at a time from other dimensions, until the Covenant get wiped ou.

The Combine, with no outer-space technology, get uber-pwned by the Covenant from space.

The Covenant hide in outer space waiting for the Combine to create and come out of a portal into their reality, whereas the Combine to the opposite; wait inside their dimension until the Covenant land on Earth, resulting in a...campfest. :P

Out of curiousity, can the portals open up inside a convenant space ship?

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Also, considering the Combine have a weapon that launches a laser onto any point on Earth from space, it's safe to assume they hae space-based technology.

Shafftehr

Combine send out wave after wave of their so-called infinite army, bit by bit at a time from other dimensions, until the Covenant get wiped ou.

The Combine, with no outer-space technology, get uber-pwned by the Covenant from space.

The Covenant hide in outer space waiting for the Combine to create and come out of a portal into their reality, whereas the Combine to the opposite; wait inside their dimension until the Covenant land on Earth, resulting in a...campfest. :P

As others have mentioned, we really have no idea what the exact extent of the Combine forces are. What we've seen on earth would get completely wiped by the Covenant. But we don't know if what they have on Earth is anywhere close to their full potential. What we see could be a very large force for them, or it could be a small expeditionary group, with merely enough technology to keep things under control.

What we do know is that the vast majority of the Combine forces reside in other dimensions. And creating significant openings to these dimensions requires structures in both dimensions to field a sizeable army. These things are extremely vulnerable to a Covenant assault from space.

Unless the Combine have some incredibly powerful troops that can wipe out large groups of Covenant forces with ease that can defend these rifts and allow a breach on a colony to be turned into a true base (something that I think the Combine, given the element of surprise, could certainly initiate), the Covenant could use their mobile space forces to defend any planet that gets taken over before the Combine could create a sizeable defense and begin to build enough momentum to put up a fight. I'd actually give the edge to the Covenant here.

Out of curiousity, can the portals open up inside a convenant space ship?

thrones

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Also, considering the Combine have a weapon that launches a laser onto any point on Earth from space, it's safe to assume they hae space-based technology.

Ragnorok_247

Combine send out wave after wave of their so-called infinite army, bit by bit at a time from other dimensions, until the Covenant get wiped ou.

The Combine, with no outer-space technology, get uber-pwned by the Covenant from space.

The Covenant hide in outer space waiting for the Combine to create and come out of a portal into their reality, whereas the Combine to the opposite; wait inside their dimension until the Covenant land on Earth, resulting in a...campfest. :P

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Also, considering the Combine have a weapon that launches a laser onto any point on Earth from space, it's safe to assume they hae space-based technology.

thrones

Combine send out wave after wave of their so-called infinite army, bit by bit at a time from other dimensions, until the Covenant get wiped ou.

The Combine, with no outer-space technology, get uber-pwned by the Covenant from space.

The Covenant hide in outer space waiting for the Combine to create and come out of a portal into their reality, whereas the Combine to the opposite; wait inside their dimension until the Covenant land on Earth, resulting in a...campfest. :P

Out of curiousity, can the portals open up inside a convenant space ship?

[QUOTE="ice144"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Just to put a summary point... In the HL games, have you seen ANYTHING presented by the Combine that could measure up to things like Covenant scarab tanks let alone dreadnoughts which turn entire continents to glass? I sure as heck haven't - not even close. The biggest pieces of hardware they've fielded are striders and those helicopter sized gunships, and they get taken out by 20th century rocket launchers. I'm not suggesting that the Combine doesn't have more, but the games don't show it, don't specify how big their empire is, or even whether they're dominant powers in the dimensions they inhabit. What we do see is that they're slowly getting kicked off of 20th century earth, won their victory when they took said earth by HUGE surprise, and that their portal technology is so inflexible that losing the Citadel seems to mean they can't even reinforce earth enough to stop the "defeated" humans from taking it back.

Based on what I've seen, a single Covenant dreadnought would be able to effectively wipe out all of Combine controlled earth... And the big question is, what is it that you think the Combine has that is going to shoot those hundreds to thousands of dreadnoughts from the sky (yes, the Covenant has that mean), and stop those Scarab tanks from running roughshod over everything the Combine can field on the ground?
Shafftehr

1. Striders(and hunters? dont know what they'd do to scarab tanks though)

2. Superportal

3. Advisors

Each one of those invalidates each of the points in your post.

You mention covenant scarabs and what could match them, i said striders.

You said that nothing comes close to the dreadnaught's destruction of continents, i said superportal for 2 reasons.

1. the portal storms around it will devastate anything, as alyx(or eli) had mentioned if it lasted too long.

2. it can ship an ENTIRE ARMY through it.

You said a single covenant dreadnaught could take out all of combine-controlled earth, when we've witnessed what just one advisor can do to an entire area(city 17).

As others have mentioned, we really have no idea what the exact extent of the Combine forces are.

....

Covenant could use their mobile space forces to defend any planet that gets taken over before the Combine could create a sizeable defense and begin to build enough momentum to put up a fight. I'd actually give the edge to the Covenant here.

sonicmj1

As you pointed out previously, the Combine opens gates... As in, things The Covenant could travel through. If the Combine can use their gates, and they can adapt humans to use this technology (as you so frequently point out, we hardly ever see real Combine members - just adapted humans using Combine technology), is this technology really so inaccesible to a species much more advanced than 20th century humans? The Xen are traveling around from dimension to dimension to like nobody's business - what makes you think The Covenant, extremely technologically adept itself, couldn't easily adapt this technology? Storm in, capture a Citadel, and they have their gateway. What's more, this technology hardly seems as flexible as people are making it sound...

The existence of a Citadel strongly suggests that they can't just whip up portals like engaging warp drive - they need to establish large footholds or have a Black Mesa disaster to get their foot in the door... Suggesting that, if they came at the Covenant and they don't manage to keep hold of their citadel, the Covenant would have their avenue to attack the "impenetrable fortress". As for the ability of the Combine to fend off Covenant forces, I haven't seen anything in the Combine arsenal that could even come close to touching a Scarab tank, let alone a Covenant capital ship which can turn an entire planet into glass unless opposed by other capital ships. I'm not saying that the Combine doesn't have anything that could measure up - I'm saying that the HL games simply don't show us that they have it. We can speculate about what they do have all we want, but the games are FAR from making it clear.

The size of "a dimension"... If you've watched much science fiction, you'd know that dimension does not equal universe/galaxy/whatever. Dimensions range in size from pocket dimensions to what we have now, more or less - and again, we have no idea how much influence The Combine exerts into the dimensions they are involved in. It could actually be quite limited - they seem to be getting kicked out of ours with a scattered human resistance. You assume that they are the absolute overlords of multiple dimensions that are infinite in size, can field endless resources and troops, and have massive standing non-snyth armies... Non of which are even close to confirmed by the HL games.

You assume that the Combine have some sort of super army behind the adapted forces. I just don't see evidence of this in the HL universe, and the convention of "militarily weak race which enslaves others for its force" is very, very common in science fiction. The fact that the Combine only shows synth forces, and the only actual Combine members you see are big fat slugs, may be a sign that their military IS synth forces, and that they ain't going to get much better than what you've already seen... And what we've seen has difficulty dealing with 20th century earth resistance when they stormed the planet under complete surprise. The Covenent are probably close to 600 or more years ahead of 20th century earth for technology, and an interstellar military power... Taking them on would be a far cry from taking on 20th century earth when that was caught by surprise.

Also, why is it that you assume that the almost complete absence of any "real" Combine soldiers beyond synth guys is a sure sign that they have some monster standing army behind it? Doesn't that seem to suggest to you more that the Combine core races are more masterminds behind a huge synth empire - and the synth force IS their military? Again, speculation, but... That's all we can do because HL really doesn't divulge the actual power of the Combine.

Now to my original point, and your comment of "The Combine took earth with zero real casualties." What makes you assume that the Comebine aren't the advisors (IE - their "Prophets" speaking in Halo terms), and the synth is their sole military? My original point... We don't know. We can assume they've licked the Empire, the Borg, and the Cylons in the other dimensions they inhabit, or we can assume that they're a bunch of goobers who have a sizeable empire but are getting slowly kicked off of 20th century earth and only ever managed to capture it in the first place because of a HUGE element of surprise... Either way, we don't konw. We DO know that the Covenant kicks the living crap out of 25th century (I think) humanity, turns entire planets to glass with ease, and has a tremendous standing military and a sizeable interstellar empire. I go with the Covenant because I KNOW they're really powerful - the Combine, well, future games will tell.Shafftehr

The size of the dimensions do not matter b/c there is an infinate number of them of each size. So who cares b/c what are the real chances that earth is their 2nd dimension to go after? And as far as their power, if I remember correctly Valve has said the combine have defeated multiple parrallel universes including the Nihilanth and any other races. Who have the covenant taken over? exactly. I'll take a race who controll numerous parrallel universes where they have the experience to routinely take over races over the covenant who have done, well nothing really in the end.

And yes you could say but the combine is having problems w/ earth and one scientist. Well there are a couple of reasons for that, A. They hadn't put much focus on it as the events of HL1 is what brought their attention to it otherwise they wouldn't even have went there. And B. its a video game and the main character isn't going to die. If the events happened in real life you couldn't tell me the combine wouldn't have just won it all right then and there. So that argument doesnt really work where as in Halo the humans while not as strong are better matched technology wise.

How can you say one side will when b/c you don't know enough about the other? wouldn't your answer then be, "I don't know, we don't know enough about the combine and their power?" That is why I don't get your side of it b/c I dont think you could answer me as to how they could? And as to your whole "couldn't the covenant just steal the combine's technology?" no, just b/c they see it doesn't mean its easy to copy. While the combine have actually been shown to easily take over races and their technology. So yes you know the power of the covenant better than the power of the combine but then you should also know that the combine can use that same power against them. So what's your point?

[QUOTE="thrones"]

Out of curiousity, can the portals open up inside a convenant space ship?

Shafftehr

Well, they actually do have portal tech like that. Remember in Nova Prospekt there's a portal there built by the combine which can teleport anyway? I'm sure they can build it with a much large scale one to teleport entire forces.

You mention covenant scarabs and what could match them, i said striders.

You said that nothing comes close to the dreadnaught's destruction of continents, i said superportal for 2 reasons.

1. the portal storms around it will devastate anything, as alyx(or eli) had mentioned if it lasted too long.

2. it can ship an ENTIRE ARMY through it.

You said a single covenant dreadnaught could take out all of combine-controlled earth, when we've witnessed what just one advisor can do to an entire area(city 17).

ice144

The size of the dimensions do not matter b/c there is an infinate number of them of each size. So who cares b/c what are the real chances that earth is their 2nd dimension to go after? And as far as their power, if I remember correctly Valve has said the combine have defeated multiple parrallel universes including the Nihilanth and any other races. Who have the covenant taken over? exactly. I'll take a race who controll numerous parrallel universes where they have the experience to routinely take over races over the covenant who have done, well nothing really in the end.

And yes you could say but the combine is having problems w/ earth and one scientist. Well there are a couple of reasons for that, A. They hadn't put much focus on it as the events of HL1 is what brought their attention to it otherwise they wouldn't even have went there. And B. its a video game and the main character isn't going to die. If the events happened in real life you couldn't tell me the combine wouldn't have just won it all right then and there. So that argument doesnt really work where as in Halo the humans while not as strong are better matched technology wise.

How can you say one side will when b/c you don't know enough about the other? wouldn't your answer then be, "I don't know, we don't know enough about the combine and their power?" That is why I don't get your side of it b/c I dont think you could answer me as to how they could? And as to your whole "couldn't the covenant just steal the combine's technology?" no, just b/c they see it doesn't mean its easy to copy. While the combine have actually been shown to easily take over races and their technology. So yes you know the power of the covenant better than the power of the combine but then you should also know that the combine can use that same power against them. So what's your point?

scottie300z

I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.Ragnorok_247

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"]I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.tmntPunchout

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"]I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.Ragnorok_247

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

Don't covenant want to activate halo rings too though?

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"]I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.tmntPunchout

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

Don't covenant want to activate halo rings too though?

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"]I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.Ragnorok_247

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

Don't covenant want to activate halo rings too though?

The Covt want the Halo Rings activated to go on their 'Great Journey'

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"]I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.Ragnorok_247

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

Don't covenant want to activate halo rings too though?

Wait, so in Halo 3, they weren't trying to activate the rings... I can't really remember the story since I beat it back when it released and didn't really analyze the story so much.

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"]I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.thrones

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

Don't covenant want to activate halo rings too though?

The Covt want the Halo Rings activated to go on their 'Great Journey'

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"]I just dont see any way the combine can counter the covt space bombardment, technology space wise is covts strong asset, with control of the skies the ground combine forces dont stand a chance, is the combine even equipped for space combat? I dont think so, even if they did i strongly dought they can overpower the covenants space technology.tmntPunchout

What if the combine activated a halo ring?

Don't covenant want to activate halo rings too though?

Wait, so in Halo 3, they weren't trying to activate the rings... I can't really remember the story since I beat it back when it released and didn't really analyze the story so much.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

The Covt want the Halo Rings activated to go on their 'Great Journey'

Ragnorok_247

The Covenant don't see activating the Halo rings as a last resort. They see it as a necessity for their religion. They'd hate for the Combine to destroy the Halo rings, but if the Combine were trying to activate the rings, and the Covenant knew of their intentions, they'd gladly help, secure in their belief that they would be saved.

Combine.

They enslaved the whole of Earth in 7 hours.

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="thrones"]

The Covt want the Halo Rings activated to go on their 'Great Journey'

sonicmj1

The Covenant don't see activating the Halo rings as a last resort. They see it as a necessity for their religion. They'd hate for the Combine to destroy the Halo rings, but if the Combine were trying to activate the rings, and the Covenant knew of their intentions, they'd gladly help, secure in their belief that they would be saved.

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="thrones"]

The Covt want the Halo Rings activated to go on their 'Great Journey'

sonicmj1

The Covenant don't see activating the Halo rings as a last resort. They see it as a necessity for their religion. They'd hate for the Combine to destroy the Halo rings, but if the Combine were trying to activate the rings, and the Covenant knew of their intentions, they'd gladly help, secure in their belief that they would be saved.

And then the combine quickly jump back to their home dimensions, leaving the covenant to roast...

Combine.

They enslaved the whole of Earth in 7 hours.

SpinoRaptor

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor"]

Combine.

They enslaved the whole of Earth in 7 hours.

Ragnorok_247

What the hell do you mean it has nothing to do with it?

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="thrones"]

The Covt want the Halo Rings activated to go on their 'Great Journey'

Ragnorok_247

The Covenant don't see activating the Halo rings as a last resort. They see it as a necessity for their religion. They'd hate for the Combine to destroy the Halo rings, but if the Combine were trying to activate the rings, and the Covenant knew of their intentions, they'd gladly help, secure in their belief that they would be saved.

It wouldn't do any good, of course. But the Covenant either don't know or don't care. They'd active the Halo rings even if there was no conflict going on at all. They were trying to activate the rings in the first Halo game, after all, and they were kicking humanity's ass, and the Flood weren't even a threat.

The Halo rings are the center of the Covenant religion, and they would do whatever they could to activate them.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="thrones"]

The Covt want the Halo Rings activated to go on their 'Great Journey'

thrones

The Covenant don't see activating the Halo rings as a last resort. They see it as a necessity for their religion. They'd hate for the Combine to destroy the Halo rings, but if the Combine were trying to activate the rings, and the Covenant knew of their intentions, they'd gladly help, secure in their belief that they would be saved.

And then the combine quickly jump back to their home dimensions, leaving the covenant to roast...

[QUOTE="Ragnorok_247"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor"]

Combine.

They enslaved the whole of Earth in 7 hours.

SpinoRaptor

What the hell do you mean it has nothing to do with it?

Should we take stories into consideration? Cause in the Half Life world, there are no rings, but in the Halo world, there are.Snowboarder99

Aye, if the Combine were smart, they'd come in and say "Hey, we'll help you activate them thar rings"... In doing so, they'd make a friend and get a free galaxy ;)Shafftehr

If the Combine took the Earth first, I could see them having a reasonable chance against the Covenant, assuming they possess significantly better technology and forces than we are aware.

After all, only humans can activate Halos.

[QUOTE="Snowboarder99"]Should we take stories into consideration? Cause in the Half Life world, there are no rings, but in the Halo world, there are.Ragnorok_247

Well... marriage obviously never caught on.