whos the most honest company, SONY, MICROSOFT, or NINTENDO

i'm pretty sure all 3 are snake oil salesmen

anybody in this thread who says they honestly trust the honesty of one of these companies deserves to be robbed

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Yeah, but lying about 1080p native @ 120 fps in ALL games, as well as 4D, (to say nothing of covertly planting rootkits onto peoples computers without their knowledge or consent) fits perfectly in the honesty chart, huh? rrrrrrrrrrrrrriiight :roll:

Just shows how much of a blind fanboy you are. You only see the integrity of companies how you want to see it.

AncientDozer

Sony is not very honest in a lot of things. That's why I didn't say it was the most honest but at least most products I've bought from Sony are high quality stuff. Windows is a low quality operating system and most products from Microsoft are usually low quality.

Sony Representative I talked to on the phone - "You should buy our stuff". At least they are honest about wanting your money.

[QUOTE="wizardwd"][QUOTE="skektek"]

/facepalm

It is an expected outcome; as in it hasn't happened yet but it is an anticipated occurrence. Fast forward 5 years and we are at the cusp of 120fps stereoscopic gaming. Obviously Ken's expectations are being met.

The TV takes care of the signaling, a VCR from the '80s will display on a 120hz set, but neither the Wii nor the 360 can produce a 120hz signal.

skektek

Hz is the refresh rate of the screen; a 120Hz display refreshs 120 times a second. A 60fps source displayed on a 120hz display will have each frame refreshed/displayed twice. A 30fps sources displayed on a 120hz display will have each frame refreshed/displayed 4 times. It's not magic Harry Potter, it is simple timing.

Of course I won't go into any of the post processing technology (interlacing/line doubling, 2:3 pull-down, smoothing, etc) because it would just further confuse you and probably make your little head pop! ;)

what does that have to do with Kaz talking about the PS3? which has nothing to do with hz or the processing the tv does for 3d...

he claimed the ps3 can do 120 FPS... that really has nothing to do with 3d

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="wizardwd"] Wow. You really don't understand what FPS and Hz mean don't you? FPS: Frames per second. Means how many frames does your game render per second. If a game runs a 60fps then it means that the console will output 60 frames per second. 60,120,240 Hz: This here is the refresh rate of your tv/monitor. Now when you combine those two you get this. 60fps console output + 120Hz refresh rate = 60 frames per second. Please try to get this trough your thick skull. Even if you had a tv that had a refresh rate over 9000!, if your console is outputting 60 frames per second, your tv cant magically create new renders of frames.ogvampire

Hz is the refresh rate of the screen; a 120Hz display refreshs 120 times a second. A 60fps source displayed on a 120hz display will have each frame refreshed/displayed twice. A 30fps sources displayed on a 120hz display will have each frame refreshed/displayed 4 times. It's not magic Harry Potter, it is simple timing.

Of course I won't go into any of the post processing technology (interlacing/line doubling, 2:3 pull-down, smoothing, etc) because it would just further confuse you and probably make your little head pop! ;)

what does that have to do with Kaz talking about the PS3? which has nothing to do with hz or the processing the tv does for 3d...

he claimed the ps3 can do 120 FPS... that really has nothing to do with 3d

It has everything to do with 3D; 3D is the manifestation of the 120fps "promise". Stereoscopic 3D, in both implementation and as a standard, requires 120FPS. What else would you use 120fps for? Double the resources of 60fps for slightly smoother animation?

For your edification.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="skektek"]

Hz is the refresh rate of the screen; a 120Hz display refreshs 120 times a second. A 60fps source displayed on a 120hz display will have each frame refreshed/displayed twice. A 30fps sources displayed on a 120hz display will have each frame refreshed/displayed 4 times. It's not magic Harry Potter, it is simple timing.

Of course I won't go into any of the post processing technology (interlacing/line doubling, 2:3 pull-down, smoothing, etc) because it would just further confuse you and probably make your little head pop! ;)

skektek

what does that have to do with Kaz talking about the PS3? which has nothing to do with hz or the processing the tv does for 3d...

he claimed the ps3 can do 120 FPS... that really has nothing to do with 3d

It has everything to do with 3D; 3D is the manifestation of the 120fps "promise". Stereoscopic 3D, in both implementation and as a standard, requires 120FPS. What else would you use 120fps for? Double the resources of 60fps for slightly smoother animation?

For your edification.

i already know how it works, thanks.... the issue is that you are taking his claims and twisting them for your own argument

'1080, 120fps' is obviously talking about games and what the ps3 can do... not 3d

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

what does that have to do with Kaz talking about the PS3? which has nothing to do with hz or the processing the tv does for 3d...

he claimed the ps3 can do 120 FPS... that really has nothing to do with 3d

ogvampire

It has everything to do with 3D; 3D is the manifestation of the 120fps "promise". Stereoscopic 3D, in both implementation and as a standard, requires 120FPS. What else would you use 120fps for? Double the resources of 60fps for slightly smoother animation?

For your edification.

i already know how it works, thanks.... the issue is that you are taking his claims and twisting them for your own argument

'1080, 120fps' is obviously talking about games and what the ps3 can do... not 3d

I'm not twisting anything, 120fps is 3D gaming, 3D gaming is 120fps.

Didn't you bother to click the link? It is confirmation of one of the the first 120fps games on the PS3.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="skektek"]

It has everything to do with 3D; 3D is the manifestation of the 120fps "promise". Stereoscopic 3D, in both implementation and as a standard, requires 120FPS. What else would you use 120fps for? Double the resources of 60fps for slightly smoother animation?

For your edification.

skektek

i already know how it works, thanks.... the issue is that you are taking his claims and twisting them for your own argument

'1080, 120fps' is obviously talking about games and what the ps3 can do... not 3d

I'm not twisting anything, 120fps is 3D gaming, 3D gaming is 120fps.

Didn't you bother to click the link? It is confirmation of one of the the first 120fps games on the PS3.

um... no. you can do 3d gaming WITHOUT 120fps...

dont you think he would have mentioned '3d' in there somewhere?

also, his quote was '1080p, 120fps'... that link you have is insta-fail:

"stardust at 720p 120fps'

yes, one of the first 120fps games, but its an 'arcade' game... much easier to accomplish than an actual full retail game where the best they can do is 60fps

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

i already know how it works, thanks.... the issue is that you are taking his claims and twisting them for your own argument

'1080, 120fps' is obviously talking about games and what the ps3 can do... not 3d

ogvampire

I'm not twisting anything, 120fps is 3D gaming, 3D gaming is 120fps.

Didn't you bother to click the link? It is confirmation of one of the the first 120fps games on the PS3.

um... no. you can do 3d gaming WITHOUT 120fps...

dont you think he would have mentioned '3d' in there somewhere?

also, his quote was '1080p, 120fps'... that link you have is insta-fail:

"stardust at 720p 120fps'

You are either trying too hard or not hard enough. I can't tell. Either way I am not going to waste any more time trying to get these concepts to coalesce for you.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="skektek"]

I'm not twisting anything, 120fps is 3D gaming, 3D gaming is 120fps.

Didn't you bother to click the link? It is confirmation of one of the the first 120fps games on the PS3.

skektek

um... no. you can do 3d gaming WITHOUT 120fps...

dont you think he would have mentioned '3d' in there somewhere?

also, his quote was '1080p, 120fps'... that link you have is insta-fail:

"stardust at 720p 120fps'

You are either trying too hard or not hard enough. I can't tell. Either way I am not going to waste any more time trying to get these concepts to coalesce for you.

huh? i understand it perfectly, it is YOU that is just taking a quote and going on a rant about what YOU think he's actually talking about

either way, they DIDNT deliver on their promise

promised: 1080p, 120fps

you say they delivered with: 720p, 120fps

yeah... something doesnt add up...

it's tied between sony and nintendo. Sony because of all their lies from the begining of the gen and on. Nintendo because their whole message was to create a "revolution." So far we haven't seen any revolutions lol.

it's tied between sony and nintendo. Sony because of all their lies from the begining of the gen and on. Nintendo because their whole message was to create a "revolution." So far we haven't seen any revolutions lol.

edo-tensei

He said most honest, not dishonest

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

it's tied between sony and nintendo. Sony because of all their lies from the begining of the gen and on. Nintendo because their whole message was to create a "revolution." So far we haven't seen any revolutions lol.

He said most honest, not dishonest

it's tied between sony and nintendo. Sony because of all their lies from the begining of the gen and on. Nintendo because their whole message was to create a "revolution." So far we haven't seen any revolutions lol.

edo-tensei

the revoultion could be argued since they own the gaming market this gen and have its competitiors following suit...that sounds pretty revolutionary to me

They're all scallywags, and you know it!

None are honest. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool. They are trying to sell you a product. They will do what they need to in order to sell you that product.

None these companies promise stuff and they get you to buy the products then fail to deliver it.

I don't think honesty and the business of making money go together. I applaude Sony and Microsoft for putting a lot of tech into their machines, to try to provide a platform for top-notch games. Its really hard to say as far as honesty goes with these three companies go, because I want to say Nintendo, simply becausethey seem to never be in the negative spotlight, but who really knows.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

it's tied between sony and nintendo. Sony because of all their lies from the begining of the gen and on. Nintendo because their whole message was to create a "revolution." So far we haven't seen any revolutions lol.

Mario1331

the revoultion could be argued since they own the gaming market this gen and have its competitiors following suit...that sounds pretty revolutionary to me

PS2 had about 70% marketshare last gen. Wii has about 50% marketshare. Yet no one really called PS2 revolutionary. The "revolution" has to do with the controller and how it was suppose to change how we play games which is subjective because a lot of people still see the traditional controller as superior for most genres.

As far as the most honest company, none of them are honest. The majority of businesses that aren't non-profit either lie or stretch the truth about their products because they are in it to make profit.

No company is honest. It's a part of their job.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

it's tied between sony and nintendo. Sony because of all their lies from the begining of the gen and on. Nintendo because their whole message was to create a "revolution." So far we haven't seen any revolutions lol.

Shadow2k6

the revoultion could be argued since they own the gaming market this gen and have its competitiors following suit...that sounds pretty revolutionary to me

PS2 had about 70% marketshare last gen. Wii has about 50% marketshare. Yet no one really called PS2 revolutionary. The "revolution" has to do with the controller and how it was suppose to change how we play games which is subjective because a lot of people still see the traditional controller as superior for most genres.

As far as the most honest company, none of them are honest. The majority of businesses that aren't non-profit either lie or stretch the truth about their products because they are in it to make profit.

i never said anybody was honest but technically they reached their goal if you like it or not they regain the market, have the gaming industry buzzing negative and positive, and had the dominant platform last gen in last place trying to catch up and making a motion controller.Has the third highest selling franchise of all time(wii sports series) and are continuing to just please many audiences.

The PS2 didnt do anything to revolutionize anything, all three consoles were extremely similar just that the PS2 got the msot support from the steam of the PS1 they didnt much besides that...