why are multiplats in a lower resolution on the ps3 than the 360?

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

Can you give us some examples?

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of games on both 360 and PS3 are either 720p or sub-HD.

I blame Sony, and to add to that, here's a list of HD/non-HD games.

Can you give us some examples?

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of games on both 360 and PS3 are either 720p or sub-HD.

I blame Sony, and to add to that, here's a list of HD/non-HD games.

mitu123

I'm confused, I just filtered through the list to see how many 1080p games each console had and the PS3 had way more. The 360 on those lists had less than 10 overall. Did I miss something?

I think I'll make up a random statistic now, cuz I can: 98.15610000001% of games on consoles either display in 720p or less. Fact. :P (you can cite this info for future reference if desired).

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

WRONG.

[QUOTE="Epak_"]

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

slvrraven9

WRONG.

What? Your X360 collection consists of a couple of XBLA titles? Native 1080p titles are really hard to come by on either of the two "next-gen" consoles. Most of them are simple puzzle games etc.

[QUOTE="Epak_"]

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

slvrraven9

WRONG.

360 games do scale to 1080p, but most games aren't running in native 1080p.

360 upscales lower resolution games to 1080p, PS3 doesn't upscale anything so games run in their default resolution regardless of what the PS3 is outputting the game at, hence some 360 games will have noticeable upscaling artifacts while some PS3 games will have noticeable aliasing

it'd be easier if they could just produce 1080p graphics buuuuuuuuuut they're both too weak to do that with most games

[QUOTE="Epak_"]

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

slvrraven9

WRONG.

They are simply upscaled, mostly to accommodate people with larger screens, (like 52" and up), though it does little to improve actual image quality

Yeah the majority of 360 games are running at native 720p and get upscaled to 1080p. Doesn't really make much of a difference.

it'd be easier if they could just produce 1080p graphics buuuuuuuuuut they're both too weak to do that with most games

88mphSlayer

Can you give us some examples?

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of games on both 360 and PS3 are either 720p or sub-HD.

Tezcatlipoca666

According to the list provided by mitu123 the ps3 has 30 titles running at full 1080p, while the 360 has a grand total of 6. Nothing to argue about here.fuchuzz

[QUOTE="fuchuzz"]According to the list provided by mitu123 the ps3 has 30 titles running at full 1080p, while the 360 has a grand total of 6. Nothing to argue about here.delta3074

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

WRONG.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="fuchuzz"]According to the list provided by mitu123 the ps3 has 30 titles running at full 1080p, while the 360 has a grand total of 6. Nothing to argue about here.soulitane

360 games get a crappy upscale, which isn't anywhere near 1080 resolution.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

WRONG.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"] ok ill say this then....every 360 game i own is 1080. EVERY SINGLE ONE. i cant say the same for the ps3. why?delta3074

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

slvrraven9

What matters is the resolution at which the game is rendered. From there on, the image can be upscaled to 1080p but that will not improve its quality. Furthermore, even if PS3 does not upscale to 1080p, your TV will do that (if it's Full HD), but again that will not do anything to make it better. Think of it this way - after a frame is rendered, it must end in the size of your TV's matrix. This can be done either by your console or by your TV. When the console does it, your TV reports a signal of 1080p, but the quality is not higher than that of a 720p signal, because the frame began as 720p in the first place.

As for games native resolutions on both systems - consult this topic.

360 games get a crappy upscale, which isn't anywhere near 1080 resolution.

Merex760

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

360 games get a crappy upscale, which isn't anywhere near 1080 resolution.

delta3074

UPSCALED RESOLUTION ISN'T ANY BETTER THAN THE NATIVE RESOLUTION. In fact, it's worse. I'm a graphic designer. I would know.

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

360 games get a crappy upscale, which isn't anywhere near 1080 resolution.

delta3074

Software scaling is not inherently worse than hardware (you know, photoshop uses software scaling?). What matters for the quality of scaling is the algorithm. You may claim that the hardware scaler is faster, given the same scaling method, but you cannot claim that it has higher quality. As for the PS3, maybe they just use one of the faster, lower quality algorithms (bilinear) and 360 does bicubic in hardware.

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

360 games get a crappy upscale, which isn't anywhere near 1080 resolution.

delta3074

360 upscales lower resolution games to 1080p, PS3 doesn't upscale anything so games run in their default resolution regardless of what the PS3 is outputting the game at, hence some 360 games will have noticeable upscaling artifacts while some PS3 games will have noticeable aliasing

it'd be easier if they could just produce 1080p graphics buuuuuuuuuut they're both too weak to do that with most games

I suppose lems can explain why FFXIII ingame is running at native 576p on the XBOX360 version? Which isn't HD at all. Nope. Oh well. :(

I suppose lems can explain why FFXIII ingame is running at native 576p on the XBOX360 version? Which isn't HD at all. Nope. Oh well. :(

Crossel777

I suppose lems can explain why FFXIII ingame is running at native 576p on the XBOX360 version? Which isn't HD at all. Nope. Oh well. :(

Crossel777

for PS3 and Xbox 360 rendering resolutions.

Guitar Hero 3

PS3: 1040x585 (no AA)

Xbox 360:1280x720 (no AA)

From the link, you do the statistics on which console fails 720p the most.

Both consoles have games below 720p.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/02/18/final-fantasy-xiii-xbox-360-version-is-not-hd-576p-confirmed

360 games get a crappy upscale, which isn't anywhere near 1080 resolution.

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

I suppose lems can explain why FFXIII ingame is running at native 576p on the XBOX360 version? Which isn't HD at all. Nope. Oh well. :(

ronvalencia

for PS3 and Xbox 360 rendering resolutions.

Guitar Hero 3

PS3: 1040x585 (no AA)

Xbox 360:1280x720 (no AA)

From the link, you do the statistics on which console fails 720p the most.

Both consoles have games below 720p.

This game teh graphikz King contender :P I think Bioshock is better example ;) But it's true, PS3 has more games with sub-hd resolution, most of them from 06/07/08. Bioshock 1 to Bioshock 2 is nice upgrade (680p to 720p). FFXIII has the same FB as Tomb Raider Underworld on X360, maybe the dont want to till or engine just can't be tilled.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Merex760"]

360 games get a crappy upscale, which isn't anywhere near 1080 resolution.

I_AM_MEGATRON

It doesn't. An upscaled image is literally just that: A smaller image stretched until it's bigger. Do this to an image and it becomes blurry. A native image is natively at that resolution, thus, no scaling required. The image is in its pure unaltered form. Upscaling isn't the same thing as re-rendering. That's the difference between consoles and PC. When a PC displays an image at a higher resolution it isn't scaling it. It's rendering all objects on screen at the newly chosen higher resolution. This is very taxing on system resources, which is why all of the high production games you see on the PS3 and the 360 top out at Native 720P. The only cases where you see Native 1080P on either console are within downloadable titles with very simple cartoony graphics.

Long story short, upscaling is pointless. A good HDTV scales the image to fit its screen as it is. Scaling a native image up makes an image look worse, not better. The only system capable of displaying ANY game in True 1080P, Full HD is the PC.

If everybody in here was so concerned with have 1080P they should've put gaming PCs together AGES ago.

Because some developers are lazy and don't want to put some effort in for your hard earned money, that is what it all boils down to (and it works both ways).

Because the XBOX360 is more powerful than PS3.That is why all the XBOX360 games are on 1080p resolution but most of the PS3 games are on 720p.The 360 it have better graphics card. Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4) PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)Panosola

Your Butters / Professor Chaos avatar is really fitting because each time you make an attempt to troll I'm reminded how Butters attempts to create chaos only to be shut down / ignored. Much like his attempts, I regard this post with a hearty yawn. *yawwwwwwwwwn*

[QUOTE="Panosola"]Because the XBOX360 is more powerful than PS3.That is why all the XBOX360 games are on 1080p resolution but most of the PS3 games are on 720p.The 360 it have better graphics card. Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4) PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)Ryan_Som

Your Butters / Professor Chaos avatar is really fitting because each time you make an attempt to troll I'm reminded how Butters attempts to create chaos only to be shut down / ignored. Much like his attempts, I regard this post with a hearty yawn. *yawwwwwwwwwn*

The 360 has NO 3D games that that run native on 1080p, all run at 720p-less. The 1080p on the back of 360 is false advertising, only means it works with 1080p TV upscaling, which the ps3 also.

The ony 3D CORE console games that are native 1080p are:

Wipeout HD, Grand turismo 5 (1280x1080 60fps) and Grand Turismo5 :prologue(1280x1080 60fps).

All Ps3 games, there is no 360 1080p game. So this thread fail.

The back of the case doesn't mean nothing. All mutiplats also run on below 720p equally on the consoles.

The 360 has NO 3D games that that run native on 1080p, all run at 720p-less. The 1080p on the back of 360 is false advertising, only means it works with 1080p TV upscaling, which the ps3 also.

The ony 3D CORE console games that are native 1080p are:

Wipeout HD, Grand turismo 5 (1280x1080 60fps) and Grand Turismo5 :prologue(1280x1080 60fps).

All Ps3 games, there is no 360 1080p game. So this thread fail.

The back of the case doesn't mean nothing. All mutiplats also run on below 720p equally on the consoles.

ropumar

You're speaking of upscaling, which causes terrible artifacting and in general just looks bad IMO. I'd rather stick with whatever the game's native resolution is honestly. Then again I only have a TV that can output 720p at max. :P

Good enough for me though, since we won't see a lot of native 1080p stuff on consoles until next gen rolls around.

[QUOTE="Epak_"]

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

generally speaking. most 360s are 1080 while the ps3 usually tops out at 720. even if its an upconvert, id still like to take advantage of the two thousand dollar tv i bought...

slvrraven9

WRONG.

Almost no game on either console runs in native 1080p . Your think that its in 1080p cuz your TV is upscaling the resolution. Most games are 720, many eaven below that (Halo 3 for example is 600p)

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="Epak_"]

WRONG.

[QUOTE="I_AM_MEGATRON"][QUOTE="delta3074"]completely wrong, the 360 uses hardware upscaling which is way better than the software upscaling on the PS3, upscaling is one thing the360 definitly does better than the Ps3,unless of course you are going to be really silly and try to tell me that software upscaling is better than hardware upscalingRyan_Som

It doesn't. An upscaled image is literally just that: A smaller image stretched until it's bigger. Do this to an image and it becomes blurry. A native image is natively at that resolution, thus, no scaling required. The image is in its pure unaltered form. Upscaling isn't the same thing as re-rendering. That's the difference between consoles and PC. When a PC displays an image at a higher resolution it isn't scaling it. It's rendering all objects on screen at the newly chosen higher resolution. This is very taxing on system resources, which is why all of the high production games you see on the PS3 and the 360 top out at Native 720P. The only cases where you see Native 1080P on either console are within downloadable titles with very simple cartoony graphics.

Long story short, upscaling is pointless. A good HDTV scales the image to fit its screen as it is. Scaling a native image up makes an image look worse, not better. The only system capable of displaying ANY game in True 1080P, Full HD is the PC.

If everybody in here was so concerned with have 1080P they should've put gaming PCs together AGES ago.

GT5 Prologue on the PS3 is in native 1080p and i think a basketball game on the 360 is too...

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

[QUOTE="I_AM_MEGATRON"] that's right. 360's upscaling is better (because it upscales every game) but still sucks. play gears 1 in full hd on pc then upscaled on 360. big difference. i'm not even sure if an upscaled image looks better than a native image.chaplainDMK

It doesn't. An upscaled image is literally just that: A smaller image stretched until it's bigger. Do this to an image and it becomes blurry. A native image is natively at that resolution, thus, no scaling required. The image is in its pure unaltered form. Upscaling isn't the same thing as re-rendering. That's the difference between consoles and PC. When a PC displays an image at a higher resolution it isn't scaling it. It's rendering all objects on screen at the newly chosen higher resolution. This is very taxing on system resources, which is why all of the high production games you see on the PS3 and the 360 top out at Native 720P. The only cases where you see Native 1080P on either console are within downloadable titles with very simple cartoony graphics.

Long story short, upscaling is pointless. A good HDTV scales the image to fit its screen as it is. Scaling a native image up makes an image look worse, not better. The only system capable of displaying ANY game in True 1080P, Full HD is the PC.

If everybody in here was so concerned with have 1080P they should've put gaming PCs together AGES ago.

GT5 Prologue on the PS3 is in native 1080p and i think a basketball game on the 360 is too...