Why are people complaining about the new 360?

[QUOTE="Lothenon"]Problem is you're assuming that there are only two types of 360gamers: Those who've had the system quite some time now and those who are going to buy the new version. What you haven't thought of is that there are a lot of gamers who bought the system just recently or want to have one right now. Me, for example, I want a Xbox360. I have the money, I have the motivation, and wouldn't it be for "Project Zephyr", I would walk into a store and buy one. It's just not entirely pleasant to go and spend 500+ € (including games, WLAN adaptor, XBL etc.) on the 360, knowing that sometime in '07 Microsoft will release a new, definatly improved model with better graphics-output, a bigger HDD, IPTV, probably make it all a bit more stable, etc., and make the one you are going to buy 100$ cheaper. I don't blame them for updating their system, everyone does it (PS, PS2, DS, Wii (In Japan)), but with these major improvements I would like to have A) Official word from Microsoft as to the Whats and Whens B) The possibility to send my old Xbox to Microsoft and (for a little cash) get the new model. Right now, I really want to get a X360, but am forced to hesitate to do so because of Zephyr.bloodychimp

I seriuosly doubt that M$ would announce now that they are coming out with a  new 360 in May. Don't you see how damaging that could be? 360 sales could potentially slow even more as everyone would wait until the newer model came to market.

i think its a stupid idea, why dont they just add stuff to that version and sell it  hen this gen is over, they are cheating the older 360 owners.

Are they discontinuing the older 360s?

well to put it simply -- yes this new 360 influences me massivly ...

At the $479 price point ( or in Australia it'll be around $750 i think ) ... i will not buy it till the price comes down ... when its around $349 thats when ill look into buying this ...

or mybe the Premium at $299 might be tempting ..choasgod

It's not like this will force people to buy a new 360. The only significant differences: HDMI and a larger HDD.

HDMI isn't needed for gaming. And the HDD is detachable. I think it's a pretty safe bet that a larger HDD will be available separately alongside the launch of the newer SKU.

Games will play the same. Live will work the same.

So no, all you chicken littles out there.... the sky is not falling.
VoodooHak

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]It's not like this will force people to buy a new 360. The only significant differences: HDMI and a larger HDD.

HDMI isn't needed for gaming. And the HDD is detachable. I think it's a pretty safe bet that a larger HDD will be available separately alongside the launch of the newer SKU.

Games will play the same. Live will work the same.

So no, all you chicken littles out there.... the sky is not falling.
gsx1100

My 360 already does everything I need it to do. And my HD TV is fantastic and takes VGA and I use Optical for my audio so HDMI is worthless.

HDMI is pretty damn stupid once you actually have an HDTV and a good sound system and you realize that your sound system doesn't take HDMI.

Then you need to split your video and your audio like you are supposed to in the first place which kinda makes HDMI the dumbest thing ever created especially since it offers absolutely no improvement in quality at all.

VGA for video + Optical for Audio is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better than HDMI.

HDMI sucks.

Don't need more HDD space since all my music, videos and pictures are all on my PC. TV shows get recorded on my PC using the Tivo functions of Media Center. Storage is cheap and plentify on my PC and I can always upgrade that for a whole lot less money. I think have over 208 gigs free on my PC and that's from 320 gigs.

Frankly I have no idea why anyone would be upset about anything. The bottom line is my 360 plays games and everthing else is just icing on the cake.
ginazswordsman

So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?bloodychimp

Why are people complaining about the new 360? They are putting in an HDMI port and a new HDD, and the HDD will be available to current 360 owners to just buy at the store. So basically they are just adding HDMI capabilities, which isnt even a big deal b/c the 360 can already do 1080p through DVI. So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?
bloodychimp

 so yah alot of ppl that i know that bought their 360 this past xmas are pissed. and the funny thing is MS made fun of sony for having a hd bigger then 20gig and having a hdmi. Saying sony is only making a media machine. guess what MS are now coming out with the same concept it seems. so was the 360 rushed or MS playing Hypocrite as ususal.

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"]Why are people complaining about the new 360? They are putting in an HDMI port and a new HDD, and the HDD will be available to current 360 owners to just buy at the store. So basically they are just adding HDMI capabilities, which isnt even a big deal b/c the 360 can already do 1080p through DVI. So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?
alfy13

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"]Why are people complaining about the new 360? They are putting in an HDMI port and a new HDD, and the HDD will be available to current 360 owners to just buy at the store. So basically they are just adding HDMI capabilities, which isnt even a big deal b/c the 360 can already do 1080p through DVI. So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?
whoisryanmack

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"]So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?seanvangster

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"]Why are people complaining about the new 360? They are putting in an HDMI port and a new HDD, and the HDD will be available to current 360 owners to just buy at the store. So basically they are just adding HDMI capabilities, which isnt even a big deal b/c the 360 can already do 1080p through DVI. So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?
alfy13

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"]Why are people complaining about the new 360? They are putting in an HDMI port and a new HDD, and the HDD will be available to current 360 owners to just buy at the store. So basically they are just adding HDMI capabilities, which isnt even a big deal b/c the 360 can already do 1080p through DVI. So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?
-GeordiLaForge-

My 360 already does everything I need it to do. And my HD TV is fantastic and takes VGA and I use Optical for my audio so HDMI is worthless.

HDMI is pretty damn stupid once you actually have an HDTV and a good sound system and you realize that your sound system doesn't take HDMI.

Then you need to split your video and your audio like you are supposed to in the first place which kinda makes HDMI the dumbest thing ever created especially since it offers absolutely no improvement in quality at all.

VGA for video + Optical for Audio is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better than HDMI.

HDMI sucks.

Don't need more HDD space since all my music, videos and pictures are all on my PC. TV shows get recorded on my PC using the Tivo functions of Media Center. Storage is cheap and plentify on my PC and I can always upgrade that for a whole lot less money. I think have over 208 gigs free on my PC and that's from 320 gigs.

Frankly I have no idea why anyone would be upset about anything. The bottom line is my 360 plays games and everthing else is just icing on the cake.
ginazswordsman

can someone give me a link to this official announcement?snakeofsolid

can someone give me a link to this official announcement?snakeofsolid

[QUOTE="snakeofsolid"]can someone give me a link to this official announcement?-GeordiLaForge-

because consoles cannot do the same thing that handhelds can....

This is still a rumor but if this is true that means they are making a totally advanced version that does not have attachments and can output a much nicer picture, probably doing more than there two things.

The DS did this with Lite but it was a smooth trasition from a handheld that basically got more vibrant colors, nicer design and more convenient. But Nintendo let everyone know from the begining. SO the way MS is doing it is wrong and it is milkage. It is pretty easy to see the difference between Nintendo's DS Lite and this HDMI/HD DVD 360 that came out of nowhere.

Why are people complaining about the new 360? They are putting in an HDMI port and a new HDD, and the HDD will be available to current 360 owners to just buy at the store. So basically they are just adding HDMI capabilities, which isnt even a big deal b/c the 360 can already do 1080p through DVI. So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?
bloodychimp

If this rumor turns out true (this soon...) this is  telling one thing about MS that all know, but dont want to admit, and a aspect that MS looses against Sony and Nintendo (to a lesser level...Nintendo tends to do the same in the handheld market anyways). MS will simply disconsider its earlier buyers, alienating its fans and bringing problems to themselves.

If this Zephyr is able to play HD-DVDs games, the fanboyish claim that more space isnt needed goes down imediately. This, of course, **** their fanbase. All the PR wars that has been running in the last few months goes to hell if this rumor goes true.  And Im dont even speaking about the price, the principal fanboy weapon against Sony....Do you think this will be cheap? Not likely.

So, it turns true, the MS fanbase got ******.

Thats my opinion on this Zephyr project rumor, but this is exactly this. A rumor. One that will problably not happen (as so many others).

Well it could be used as some pretty big "ownage" towards the cows.They always scream how the PS3 has blu-ray,hdmi,and a harddrive bigger than the 360's...now the Zephyr(if its true) has a 120gb hdd,hdmi port,and hd-dvd drive built in...for $480...much better than the $500 PS3 and cheaper.Now cows are saying ":cry:Microsoft is milking you!"...when they really know its "ownage" towards them.

If this rumor turns out true (this soon...) this is  telling one thing about MS that all know, but dont want to admit, and a aspect that MS looses against Sony and Nintendo (to a lesser level...Nintendo tends to do the same in the handheld market anyways). MS will simply disconsider its earlier buyers, alienating its fans and bringing problems to themselves.

If this Zephyr is able to play HD-DVDs games, the fanboyish claim that more space isnt needed goes down imediately. This, of course, **** their fanbase. All the PR wars that has been running in the last few months goes to hell if this rumor goes true.  And Im dont even speaking about the price, the principal fanboy weapon against Sony....Do you think this will be cheap? Not likely.

So, it turns true, the MS fanbase got ******.

Thats my opinion on this Zephyr project rumor, but this is exactly this. A rumor. One that will problably not happen (as so many others).

Ryusuken

NO that is incorrect. Nintendo is the least to milk its fans. The handhelds are the only thing that it redesigned but it only minimally upgrades. At the most better lighting, better design, and its more conveniently small. They also maintain the price. What MS is rumored to do is basically adding alot more especially for graphics whores who drool over the miniscule effect of HD on gaming. Current 360 fans cannot fully upgrade their old 360s to what this rumored redesign could be and with the stuff they can by its just a crapload of addons and adapters.

PS2 had a couple of redesigns like PSX and the latest one. PSX was milkage but it was a failure the second redesign was just making it smaller and sexier so it was justified. But Sony basically milks its fans with everything thats why they are called "cows." MS has been very loose with redesigns with their PCs and now alledgedly their consoles.

[QUOTE="Ryusuken"]

If this rumor turns out true (this soon...) this is  telling one thing about MS that all know, but dont want to admit, and a aspect that MS looses against Sony and Nintendo (to a lesser level...Nintendo tends to do the same in the handheld market anyways). MS will simply disconsider its earlier buyers, alienating its fans and bringing problems to themselves.

If this Zephyr is able to play HD-DVDs games, the fanboyish claim that more space isnt needed goes down imediately. This, of course, **** their fanbase. All the PR wars that has been running in the last few months goes to hell if this rumor goes true.  And Im dont even speaking about the price, the principal fanboy weapon against Sony....Do you think this will be cheap? Not likely.

So, it turns true, the MS fanbase got ******.

Thats my opinion on this Zephyr project rumor, but this is exactly this. A rumor. One that will problably not happen (as so many others).

coonana

NO that is incorrect. Nintendo is the least to milk its fans. The handhelds are the only thing that it redesigned but it only minimally upgrades. At the most better lighting, better design, and its more conveniently small. They also maintain the price. What MS is rumored to do is basically adding alot more especially for graphics whores who drool over the miniscule effect of HD on gaming. Current 360 fans cannot fully upgrade their old 360s to what this rumored redesign could be and with the stuff they can by its just a crapload of addons and adapters.

PS2 had a couple of redesigns like PSX and the latest one. PSX was milkage but it was a failure the second redesign was just making it smaller and sexier so it was justified. But Sony basically milks its fans with everything thats why they are called "cows." MS has been very loose with redesigns with their PCs and now alledgedly their consoles.

Note the bolded, please. These are my main points. And while some of your points are right, I did forget to get more direct at what I call the Nintendo doing the same as MS. While Nintendo does exactly what you said, its quite common to simple forgets the previous handheld and go strong to the next one. Example: a friend of mine bought a GBA. He loved, and so did us, for he let us play as well. Soon enough the DS came and behold, the GBA almost or died in games. My friend got pissed, and so did the rest of us....So you see, its like MS and its previous consoles. They abbandon the users as soon as the newer one is out. So, there is the 'TO A LESSER LEVEL THAN MS'. 

The core X360 is even still on production? I dont know. Its quite a while since I've saw one, and thats was when  i was in Japan last year, in a trade in store, for the price of a Nintendo DS Lite. I've never seen one here in Brazil either.

This Zephyer is a rumor that is creating great waves on the net. And while I think it will be directed at the  'graphics whores' as you call'em, if it comes to be as I thought it can be, MS users/fans will be being 'milked' as you  say. In such a little time.Thats what piss me off. If this had come to happen in the end of this year, or the next one, I wouldnt be this concerned about. And that was my opinion. You have yours, and I have mine. All the three will 'milk' their products, one way or another. I just think that coming out this soon with a redesign, pushing the same thing they bashed about their rivals is simply pathetic, specially if it ends prejudicating its fanbase.

Why are people complaining about the new 360? They are putting in an HDMI port and a new HDD, and the HDD will be available to current 360 owners to just buy at the store. So basically they are just adding HDMI capabilities, which isnt even a big deal b/c the 360 can already do 1080p through DVI. So tell me, whats the big deal, since they really arent adding anything that current 360 owners cant get easily/dont already have?
bloodychimp