why are people not more pissed about ps4 having a subscription to play online no

[QUOTE="handssss"][QUOTE="balfe1990"]

No, no you don't.

XBL would now have more of an argument about getting "free" games than PSN would.

Just admit you're a hypocrite and people would respect the admission.

balfe1990

It's a matter of perspective. Though I agree, offering a game that you could pick up for less than the price of a latte is hilarious.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

Because unlike XBL, its totally worth it. We get free games :cool:

parkurtommo

No, no you don't.

XBL would now have more of an argument about getting "free" games than PSN would.

Just admit you're a hypocrite and people would respect the admission.

Was I? Kindly point out where?

Cows have to embrace the inevitable. Of course they will defend it.PonchoTaco

yeah i dont want to pay to play online

akdiuuuryttt

I rarely play online and have had a PS+ account since they launched it and I still think it is a stupid idea to charge for online play. Having said that, what are PS fans supposed to do? Buy the X1 instead? Oh wait...that costs money too. In fact, one could easily make the case the MS model of charging for online is even worse because at least Sony allowed Netflix outside the pay system.

Further, as a PS+ user, if I were to get a PS4 then it really isn't an extra cost for me. So I believe that creates a bit of a difference in people's minds.

But ultimately, all that aside, people are fanboys and will spin themselves into human pretzels to defend something their console does that they bashed when the competition did it.

[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]Cows have to embrace the inevitable. Of course they will defend it.legalize82

Is it wrong to charge for online play? Yes or no? No other words - either a yes or no.

I'm still pissed about it. At least I'll still be able to use all the other online functions without a subscription. I probably will not be gaming online on the PS4.

[QUOTE="legalize82"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]Cows have to embrace the inevitable. Of course they will defend it.AHUGECAT

Is it wrong to charge for online play? Yes or no? No other words - either a yes or no.

Because cows......! Personally, i'm used to it, so no problem here ;)

Also, you don't need subscription to play F2P games online, like Planetside 2 or Warframe.

"Why are people not more pissed about PS4 having a subscription to pay online?"

Fanboyism and shameless hyprocrisy.

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

hypocrites

Because cows love bending over for SonyRR360DD

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]Because cows love bending over for Sonycain006

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

GreySeal9

Unless Sony has decided to provide dedicated servers to host every online game, then they aren't providing anything. My cable company provides the internet that is being played on.

Sorry, but it's called rent seeking. Companies trying to make more money by offering nothing new in return.

Because that kind of bad move became small news in comparison to the X1 policies fiasco.

the people that KEEP insisting that cows are changing their views ETC ETC/ were telling lems that they have to pay to play online blah blah blah a couple years back ARE idiots.

WELL NO DUH cows were saying that paying online sucks. BECAUSE IT DOES.

This is system wars people and when we first heard of 360 having to pay to play online, it was an EASY arguement and valid point during that time. It was obviously SUPERIOR to not PAY for playing online and thus the cows kept bringing it up in their discussions.

HOWEVER. now that times have changed, sony wants to make a profit as well seeing as how easy MS was able to. So SONY is thinking WHY NOT? Why can't we do the same?

Now obviously the playign fields are leveled and theres no advantage/disadvantage for either side. Its just logic. Cows were justified in brinigng that point as a valid arguement against buying a 360.  

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]Because cows love bending over for Sonycain006

Right. And Lemmings constantly brought up how stupid Nintendo's motion control idea because people looked like idiots waving their arms around in the air like crazy people. Not lemmings love kinect, something much more "arms waving" than the Wii mote ever did.

[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]Cows have to embrace the inevitable. Of course they will defend it.legalize82

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]Because cows love bending over for SonyZIMdoom

Right. And Lemmings constantly brought up how stupid Nintendo's motion control idea because people looked like idiots waving their arms around in the air like crazy people. Not lemmings love kinect, something much more "arms waving" than the Wii mote ever did.

Lemmings don't care for Kinect lol.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

ZIMdoom

Unless Sony has decided to provide dedicated servers to host every online game, then they aren't providing anything. My cable company provides the internet that is being played on.

Sorry, but it's called rent seeking. Companies trying to make more money by offering nothing new in return.

Simplistic argument. PSN is still the vehicle through which you play your online game. You can't just play an online game on PS3/4 without going through PSN, which is an infrastructure created and maintained by Sony.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]Because cows love bending over for SonyZIMdoom

Right. And Lemmings constantly brought up how stupid Nintendo's motion control idea because people looked like idiots waving their arms around in the air like crazy people. Not lemmings love kinect, something much more "arms waving" than the Wii mote ever did.

This thread is not about lemming hypocrisy, it's about cow hypocrisy.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]This. A couple years ago, cows constantly brought up that you had to pay to play online on 360.

AHUGECAT

Right. And Lemmings constantly brought up how stupid Nintendo's motion control idea because people looked like idiots waving their arms around in the air like crazy people. Not lemmings love kinect, something much more "arms waving" than the Wii mote ever did.

Lemmings don't care for Kinect lol.

Because they religious fanatics over a htpc with a ps logo.

 

Lemmings don't care for Kinect lol.

AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

 

Lemmings don't care for Kinect lol.

Bigboi500

I've been playing for PSN+ since it's inception, so it doesn't bother me.

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

GreySeal9

Agreed. Controversial topic, but I've always seen the justification in MS charging for online. Same for Sony too, ive been saying all generation that Sony would wait until the PS4 before charging, and I was right.

PC is differen't altogether because theres no burden on one company to provide the infrastructure. Its too open. MS tried with GFWL and failed miserably.

ask my HYPE brothers, I bitch and moan about it EVERDAY

[QUOTE="k--m--k"]

We dont complain because Sony gave us 7 years of free online gaming on PS3 while Xbox 360 fans paid 300-400 dollar to play.

Also, the ones who supported the idea of pay to play are the Xbox 360 fans so they are more to blame, not to mention plenty of people here are already pay for PS Plus, so they aint really suffering

in addition, it is expected from Sony since financially they ain't doing good.

AHUGECAT

It was so expected that cows were making threads before E3 calling for Microsoft to stop charging.

Example: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29390631/why-do-people-pay-for-xbox-live

it is expected to see people make such threads when there a console that offers a free online gaming, (e.g why pay for Xbox live when you can play free in Ps3?) but that not the case anymore.  Next generation wont have such a thing but in Nintendo

it wont be the same responses if MS Stopped and Sony started charging next generation. 

It's just for multiplayer, not the entire online service. It's cheaper than XBL and comes with so much more. Pretty much everyone should have PS+ anyway. Those are three pretty big reasons.

because like lemmings..cows will also bend over

They don't call them "cows" for nothing

IT annoys me and I'm utterly against it.

Still, MS managed to set precedence and it was obvious that it would happen........

I disapprove but that's why I own a PC.

It's just for multiplayer, not the entire online service. It's cheaper than XBL and comes with so much more. Pretty much everyone should have PS+ anyway. Those are three pretty big reasons.

chapnzaba

Exactly.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

GreySeal9

Unless Sony has decided to provide dedicated servers to host every online game, then they aren't providing anything. My cable company provides the internet that is being played on.

Sorry, but it's called rent seeking. Companies trying to make more money by offering nothing new in return.

Simplistic argument. PSN is still the vehicle through which you play your online game. You can't just play an online game on PS3/4 without going through PSN, which is an infrastructure created and maintained by Sony.

Simplistic or not, it is an argument to be made. And I believe I was pretty clear myself in saying paying for online is BS. I don't care who does it. But unless Sony fans have some reasonable alternative/competition to move to, they really have no choice but to suck it up and accept it. Last gen, lemmings HAD a choice whether or not they wanted to support a console with pay online.

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

GreySeal9

OK. Let's analyze this comment then. Sony said MS is evil last gen for charging for online but not calling Sony evil this gen for charging for online with the PS4. THIS gen. The gen where MS came out an annouced no used games, no loaning games, always on, etc and that consumers had no rights at all.

If you are wondering why anyone isn't calling Sony evil for charging for online it this gen it is because MS has raised the evil bar quite a lot this past year.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

60$ averages out to just 18 cents per day, if you can't afford that you should find another hobby. A hobo on the street can get more money than that.

handssss

[QUOTE="handssss"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Always that excuse. It's about the principle. :|

Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

ZIMdoom

OK. Let's analyze this comment then. Sony said MS is evil last gen for charging for online but not calling Sony evil this gen for charging for online with the PS4. THIS gen. The gen where MS came out an annouced no used games, no loaning games, always on, etc and that consumers had no rights at all.

If you are wondering why anyone isn't calling Sony evil for charging for online it this gen it is because MS has raised the evil bar quite a lot this past year.

You're just making alot of excuses for hyprocrisy.

60$ per year averages out to just 18 cents per day, if you can't afford that you should find another hobby. A hobo on the street can get more money than that.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't have any beef with companies charging for online tho; they are entitled to charge for a service that they are providing. Still, it was cows who acted like MS was evil for charging, but now it's apparently tolerable when Sony does it. Mindboggling hypocrisy.

GreySeal9

OK. Let's analyze this comment then. Sony said MS is evil last gen for charging for online but not calling Sony evil this gen for charging for online with the PS4. THIS gen. The gen where MS came out an annouced no used games, no loaning games, always on, etc and that consumers had no rights at all.

If you are wondering why anyone isn't calling Sony evil for charging for online it this gen it is because MS has raised the evil bar quite a lot this past year.

You're just making alot of excuses for hyprocrisy.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Unless Sony has decided to provide dedicated servers to host every online game, then they aren't providing anything. My cable company provides the internet that is being played on.

Sorry, but it's called rent seeking. Companies trying to make more money by offering nothing new in return.

ZIMdoom

Simplistic argument. PSN is still the vehicle through which you play your online game. You can't just play an online game on PS3/4 without going through PSN, which is an infrastructure created and maintained by Sony.

Simplistic or not, it is an argument to be made. And I believe I was pretty clear myself in saying paying for online is BS. I don't care who does it. But unless Sony fans have some reasonable alternative/competition to move to, they really have no choice but to suck it up and accept it. Last gen, lemmings HAD a choice whether or not they wanted to support a console with pay online.

Sony fans can game on PC if they don't want to pay for online.

Xbox fans supported the console without free online because it had the games they wanted to play and the price wasn't a big deal. In this situation, cows are excusing Sony because PlayStation has the games they want to play and the price isn't a big deal.

Paying for online wasn't a big deal then and it isn't a big deal now. The hyprocrisy comes in when Sony is giving a free pass for doing something that was sooooo abominable when MS did it. If paying for online can be tolerated now, it could have been tolerated then. Sony fans just jumped on it because it was a talking point. Now that the talking point is gone, paying for online isn't so bad. :roll:

Also, there is no argument to be made. Sony is within its rights to charge for the infastructure they created. I haven't heard a single argument that says otherwise in a convincing fashion.