why are people so against $15 call of duty maps?

Why are people so against $15 Call of Duty maps and not Halo Reach's $10 map packs? I think you get a better deal out of the Call of Duty map packs. I spent $20 on Halo Reach to get 5 maps.Thats a lot higher than the Call of Duty maps.

I dont know why people complain at all, many people get hundreds of hours of gameplay from CoD multiplayer. ALSO remember that if a developer knows that if they make new maps they will get paid for it then it gives them greater incentive to keep supporting the game after launch. You cant just expect them to keep making free maps after launch, even if other developers do.

Never bought one myself, but I have no problem with anyone else buying it. If it's worth $15 bucks to them, then who am I to say otherwise?

Of course if you ask some people, it's one of the leading contributors the Great Downfall of Gaming and causes everything from lack of creativity in games to world hunger.

I'm against them because for people like myself who don't think it's worth it, our experience is dampened because we didn't buy a map pack. I remember all the times on COD4 and MW2 i'd be kicked from a game because I didn't have the correct map, it got a little silly.

Neither did I buy a Halo map pack for that matter, they're just not worth it IMO.

Because any map pack over 5 bucks isn't worth it for just a few maps?

I'm against them because for people like myself who don't think it's worth it, our experience is dampened because we didn't buy a map pack. I remember all the times on COD4 and MW2 i'd be kicked from a game because I didn't have the correct map, it got a little silly.

Neither did I buy a Halo map pack for that matter, they're just not worth it IMO.

DarthJohnova

Because I look at a $15 DLC with a set of maps and compare it with a $15 dollar DLC that has maps...and new weapons.... and new vehicles... hmm, the choice is pretty clear IMO.

I'm sure the new defense is going to be "well, I subscribe to COD Elite, so my maps should come free." Please...you're still paying for something. In fact, I think ppl who won't use Elite and still buy map packs will save more money than anyone with Elite..

Because maps should be free.

Because maps should be free.

coreybg

My reasons are because this type of thing used to come free in PC games with point releases ( official patches ) and mods released by the community that play the games. Nowadays mod support is left out of games purposely to milk people with things that would likely have been free.

Today patches are all about fixing bugs in games, many of these bugs shouldnt have been there in a retail release in the first place. They used to be about giving the people that baught their game something nice ( i.e. extra maps ) and also a deterrent for piracy as well as fixing minor bugs or gameplay inbalances that might crop up.

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Because maps should be free.

Daytona_178

Why do Valve do it? Why do all devs who release mod tools allow it if they can make money? Why does the modding community do it? I don't think I've seen any of them ask for money.

I dislike it for map packs since you're paying 25% of what you paid for the full game and not getting an extra 25%-worth of content.

The charge isn't so bad, but the value is pretty poor.

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Because maps should be free.

coreybg

Why do Valve do it? Why do all devs who release mod tools allow it if they can make money? Why does the modding community do it? I don't think I've seen any of them ask for money.

Yes you know you can even pay $60 for cod map packs by donating them money?
I mean, what's so bad about paying $20 for a mappack when you can donate $60? Or $120 even?

Why are people so against $15 Call of Duty maps and not Halo Reach's $10 map packs? I think you get a better deal out of the Call of Duty map packs. I spent $20 on Halo Reach to get 5 maps.Thats a lot higher than the Call of Duty maps.

slipknot0129

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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"] Who says that? Making maps takes a lot of time and effort if they are going to make good ones. Also if their is no financial incentive they why would they do it?Daytona_178

Why do Valve do it? Why do all devs who release mod tools allow it if they can make money? Why does the modding community do it? I don't think I've seen any of them ask for money.

I didn't have anything against COD4 map pack. I spent countless amount of hours on that game and I just thought to buy the map pack as a way to show my appreciation. But with WaW there were three map packs and I only bought the first one. I didn't play the game enough to justify buying rest of the packs. Same with MW2, and I stopped playing it after Bad Company 2 came out. I played Black Ops only couple matches, so I'm not planning on buying those either. And I'll probably buy MW3 only because of the SP.

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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"] Who says that? Making maps takes a lot of time and effort if they are going to make good ones. Also if their is no financial incentive they why would they do it?Daytona_178

Why do Valve do it? Why do all devs who release mod tools allow it if they can make money? Why does the modding community do it? I don't think I've seen any of them ask for money.

I never said they were evil. And it's not one company, many other companies release mod tools for their games. So, why would they do it when they can milk people with DLC?

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Why do Valve do it? Why do all devs who release mod tools allow it if they can make money? Why does the modding community do it? I don't think I've seen any of them ask for money.

coreybg

I never said they were evil. And it's not one company, many other companies release mod tools for their games. So, why would they do it when they can milk people with DLC?

1. 15 dollar map packs are not worth it to me. HOWEVER, they are definately worth the price tag for others, so if they think it is worth the money and if they think it is worth the money they are definately entitled to buy it for that price.
2. Making maps cost money, it isnt cheap making quality maps you know.
3. Many of the companies who offer free maps do so for marketing reasons. Taleworlds for instance, did a trailer for their new free multiplayer maps. Simply put, free content attracts new buyers.
4. Even if 15 dollars seems a lot for 5 maps, what do you think of RIOT Games and their 14 dollar skins, for 14 dollars you can make one of your League of Legends characters look like this?
5. Oh and if 14 dollar skins werent bad enough. Correct me if I am wrong, but Sims 3 had 100 dollars worth of day 1 DLC or so.
6. People need a scapegoat, on Gamespot it is CoD.

I am not for 15 dollar map packs, but I am not bothered by it either. Perhaps if I actually played CoD it might have bothered me, but I dont.

Its the price. For $60, you get a full single player campaign, Spec Ops, and around $12 maps full of gameplay and stuff. For $30, you get 10 maps... thats it.

Of course even though its a rip off, it does feel like people who already hate and don't play Call of Duty just use that to hate on it more for no reason, which is pretty annoying. Its like, I know BC2 gives you a bunch of free maps, I really wish you wouldn't fill up news articles about CoD telling me this.

i wouldn't buy any maps for anywhere around those prices, not just cod.

Lets see BC2: Vietnam cost $15.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="coreybg"]

Because maps should be free.

coreybg

Why do Valve do it? Why do all devs who release mod tools allow it if they can make money? Why does the modding community do it? I don't think I've seen any of them ask for money.

Because their alignment is Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic Good.

Furthermore, charging for content means it would not only seperate the community, but it would also make the game a less attractive buy, in addition, devs get competition from the modding community (if they charge, very few people would buy their maps, since modders do it for free). Would you buy game one which supports their community with patches that add new content, weapons and such along with free maps or would you buy game two, which charges 15 dollars for map packs containing 3 new maps and 2 recycled from previous games?

I guess the idea that they are creating maps instead of fixing the troubles in the game bothers me.

I complain about the Halo Reach map packs or I did anyway, I was enjoying the online before they commenced the milking. All map packs are bad, if you are going to charge for content at least make it something substantial.

I dont have an issue with paying for map packs or any other DLC. I guess my beef sometimes is why this stuff wasnt included in the game in the first place. If all games would drop back down to $49 new instead of $59, it would make buying DLC much easier to swallow.

Lets see BC2: Vietnam cost $15.

supdotcom

BC2: Vietnam is an expansion if I'm correct.

I'm against both. What now?

Lets see BC2: Vietnam cost $15.

supdotcom

4 new maps, 40 licensed songs from the vietnam era,new teams,new era weaponary,vehicles from that era aswell.

compared to

4 new multiplayer maps that are bascially the same and 1 new Zombie map.

looking at it you get a lot more for your dough with vietnam.

I didn't have anything against COD4 map pack. I spent countless amount of hours on that game and I just thought to buy the map pack as a way to show my appreciation. But with WaW there were three map packs and I only bought the first one. I didn't play the game enough to justify buying rest of the packs. Same with MW2, and I stopped playing it after Bad Company 2 came out. I played Black Ops only couple matches, so I'm not planning on buying those either. And I'll probably buy MW3 only because of the SP.

Icarian

I just don't think 15 bucks is reasonable for a map pack. I could buy three arcade games for that price. Maybe if it was 10 bucks I would consider.

Because people here like Halo a lot better than CoD. I think the price for both is ridiculous though.

I'm against most DLC in general because it's already been proven many times to be made before the game releases meaning it was made within the same workday so to speak as everything else on the disc yet costs more. We all get paid the same amount whether we bust our butts or slack off all day unless we work on commission or tips. And devs are not prividing a hands on approach with it's customers to deserve a commission or a tip. That's what the %60 price tage is for and they decided that's what they wanted to make off the game years ago, not us. Why should they get paid more because they made more content in the same time frame that they could have made less content? Like everything else going wrong with the industry now, these people think they're entitiled to what the Hell ever they decide they're entitled to and that's not how the world works. Same situation with this Online Pass garbage and killing the used game industry. They feel entitles to make money off the sale of a game more than once just because they're greedy. Plain and simple.

Also, it's been proven many times to already be on the disc and with the usual lawyer lingo these companies have found a loophole that says you only purchased specific parts of what is on the disc so they can charge you extra to access the rest of it.

But mostly, it's just because the content isn't worth the price. Charging a quarter of a full game's price for maps that don't really do anything until people log in and start chasing each other around is like buying a car but having to wait for someone to come to your house and drive you around in it. And when the game dies off the content is useless. Just like all these arcade games and such. There will be a day Live no longer exists and you will have no way to ever access any of this dlc ever again. I guess I didn't get the memo when games became disposable and we were supposed to be ok with it.

If content was made like last gen on Xbox where it was charged (usually $5 at most per download, Halo 2 maps are a good example) then became free later it wouldn't feel like such a scam. Pay if you can't live without it or wait it out and get it free. Same concept as early adopters for anything. They always pay more, yet any type of dlc, whether maps or full game downloads, have yet to ever become cheaper unless there's a sale going in which never happens with COD maps.

The limit on any dlc outside of full retail game's up for download shouldn't be more than $5, ever, because of said above reasons. Arcade games, $5. Map packs, $5. Stupid crap like Dead Space suits and such, no charge at all since a cheat code or doing things in the game should unlock insignificant things like that. Retail game's for download should also be at least half price since there is no manufacturing, yet cost the same or more when downloaded even though one of these days you won't be able to access it. Or resell it

DLC is a scam, period. I'm surprised more people haven't figured out it was the industry's way of ripping you off and using "convenience" or "value" as the ploy to reel you in.

Its becuase they rehashed maps in mw2. I bought both, and if your play alot there really is no reason not to buy it

Consoles really need mods. In a popular game with a large mod community, you end up with free content that is often higher quality than that found in the original game.

I dont know why people complain at all, many people get hundreds of hours of gameplay from CoD multiplayer. ALSO remember that if a developer knows that if they make new maps they will get paid for it then it gives them greater incentive to keep supporting the game after launch. You cant just expect them to keep making free maps after launch, even if other developers do.

Daytona_178

Why are people so against $15 Call of Duty maps and not Halo Reach's $10 map packs? I think you get a better deal out of the Call of Duty map packs. I spent $20 on Halo Reach to get 5 maps.Thats a lot higher than the Call of Duty maps.

slipknot0129

A better question: What consumer in the right mind would support them?:?

Because if I go boot up Counter Strike,a game that is older than some posters on this forum, I can download a plethora of both maps andgameplay modes like scoutzknives, zombies, and all the "amazing" things consolites are only getting now.

Also they are entirely free.

That goes for any PC game.

So, anyone who isn't completely new to the idea immediately knows its completely ridiculous to ask that much for maps that literally didn't cost them a dime to make, since garage developers make new maps for every PC game imagineable all the time for no cost and just hand them to the community.