Why are people still trying to defend the PS3?

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

Chloroformality

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure?  It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

DaddyDC650

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

karicha9

See, that I don't agree with. The Wii seemed to do just fine from the get-go, as did the 360. The PS3 has been out long enough to at least ensure them one hit title, something exclusive that the majority of the gaming public agree is worthy of buying a PS3 for. 360 had a few at this point, as does the Wii right now.

Do we excuse the lack of the PS3 until something decent actually shows up? What if we end up waiting until the middle of next year?

Suddenly a year-and-a-half lifespan will be the expected time for a Sony console to take off. 

They are blinded by their own fanboyism.lucas_kelly

I'd like you to explain why defending the PS3 makes you a fanboy.

It seems that for some ppl around here saying something good about it makes you a biased fanboy.

Never underestimate the power of buyer's remorse.  Or, so I've heard.

[QUOTE="karicha9"]

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

Chloroformality

See, that I don't agree with. The Wii seemed to do just fine from the get-go, as did the 360. The PS3 has been out long enough to at least ensure them one hit title, something exclusive that the majority of the gaming public agree is worthy of buying a PS3 for. 360 had a few at this point, as does the Wii right now.

Do we excuse the lack of the PS3 until something decent actually shows up? What if we end up waiting until the middle of next year?

Suddenly a year-and-a-half lifespan will be the expected time for a Sony console to take off.

The PS3 can have all the exclusive games they want but still with a $600 price tag people are going to be hesitant to buy one.

[QUOTE="karicha9"]

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

Chloroformality

See, that I don't agree with. The Wii seemed to do just fine from the get-go, as did the 360. The PS3 has been out long enough to at least ensure them one hit title, something exclusive that the majority of the gaming public agree is worthy of buying a PS3 for. 360 had a few at this point, as does the Wii right now.

Do we excuse the lack of the PS3 until something decent actually shows up? What if we end up waiting until the middle of next year?

Suddenly a year-and-a-half lifespan will be the expected time for a Sony console to take off.

GC sold well at launch. :|

Casuals are late to the party, so you have to wait a few holiday seasons before you can tell which console has "failed" or not. 

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

theboxmike

Does ATV off-road fury ring a bell ? That sold a couple of million I believe.

6 PS3's compared to Best Buys huge 360 stock wasting away in the back of the store.
DaddyDC650

[QUOTE="theboxmike"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

DaddyDC650

It's too the game market share is bigger in NA than in Japan. 

They are blinded by their own fanboyism.lucas_kelly

We PS3 fans can say the same about the people who attack it.

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

karicha9

[QUOTE="karicha9"]

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

yoshi-lnex

It's still too early to say anything for sure.  Any reasonable person would agree. 

It is pretty funny isn't it?  The PS3 has been a total joke since E3 2005 and yet, here we are.  The PS3 is heading toward its one year anniversary pretty fast, and it won't have a game that trumps the 2 year old 360.  I'm talking both features and graphics, because the 360 has it all baby.  Has it all!:)

The next joke of a game will be Killzone 2 vs. Halo 3.  I hope the cows enjoy thier wast of time trying to promote yet another Halo killer.  So sad indeed.:(

[QUOTE="karicha9"]

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

Chloroformality

See, that I don't agree with. The Wii seemed to do just fine from the get-go, as did the 360. The PS3 has been out long enough to at least ensure them one hit title, something exclusive that the majority of the gaming public agree is worthy of buying a PS3 for. 360 had a few at this point, as does the Wii right now.

Do we excuse the lack of the PS3 until something decent actually shows up? What if we end up waiting until the middle of next year?

Suddenly a year-and-a-half lifespan will be the expected time for a Sony console to take off. 

Year and a half? GTA4 is out this year and resistance fall of man is out NOW!

[QUOTE="karicha9"]

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

yoshi-lnex

I keep forgetting about that fact (too caught up in the Animation industry).

Though I question why games are still exclusive these days. They cost so much to make now that selling past their budget is harder to do. 

[QUOTE="theboxmike"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

DaddyDC650

Japan doesnt even come close to the European market and NA, plus last time i checked..........the ps3 isnt doing that well in Japan at all......compared to the wii or DS

Infact where is the PS3 doing well?:lol:

It is pretty funny isn't it?  The PS3 has been a total joke since E3 2005 and yet, here we are.  The PS3 is heading toward its one year anniversary pretty fast, and it won't have a game that trumps the 2 year old 360.  I'm talking both features and graphics, because the 360 has it all baby.  Has it all!:)

The next joke of a game will be Killzone 2 vs. Halo 3.  I hope the cows enjoy thier wast of time trying to promote yet another Halo killer.  So sad indeed.:(

Spartanx23

I always love seeing lemmings attack ps3 fans for no reason. The PS3 has been out for what? 5 months? The 360 has been out for what over 1 year? Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

It is pretty funny isn't it?  The PS3 has been a total joke since E3 2005 and yet, here we are.  The PS3 is heading toward its one year anniversary pretty fast, and it won't have a game that trumps the 2 year old 360.  I'm talking both features and graphics, because the 360 has it all baby.  Has it all!:)

The next joke of a game will be Killzone 2 vs. Halo 3.  I hope the cows enjoy thier wast of time trying to promote yet another Halo killer.  So sad indeed.:(

Spartanx23

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="karicha9"]

Sales don't directly translate to quality, though.

You could ask the converse: why are people still trying to call the PS3 an utter failure? It hasn't met sales or review expectations, but it's still too early to open your mouth about it all just yet.

karicha9

It's still too early to say anything for sure. Any reasonable person would agree.

At this point, all three systems have been out long enough to be analyzed by multiple sources, which have recognized obvious patterns, and anybody with the basic skills to actually study these things would agree, especially in an industry that has been known for consistancy once one company gains an edge.

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]6 PS3's compared to Best Buys huge 360 stock wasting away in the back of the store.
yoshi-lnex

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="theboxmike"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

theboxmike

Japan doesnt even come close to the European market and NA, plus last time i checked..........the ps3 isnt doing that well in Japan at all......compared to the wii or DS

Infact where is the PS3 doing well?:lol:

and high development costs are one thing that is going to kill sony this gen.

At this point, all three systems have been out long enough to be analyzed by multiple sources, which have recognized obvious patterns, and anybody with the basic skills to actually study these things would agree, especially in an industry that has been known for consistancy once one company gains an edge.

yoshi-lnex

I still see plenty of conflicting analyst reports and each console seems to have it's weaknesses.  Console wars have NEVER been decided in the first year. 

Because it is a high quality system with lots of features and future potential.

My question is why are people so quick to dismiss it? 360 was awful it's first few months out but by the end of year 1 was a great system. PS3 has done quite well in perspective for the games it has gotten up till now. PS3 is out 6 months and before a single 2nd generation game is out or we've seen anything off the fall games, people condemn it at crap because it only has a few good exclusives and a bunch of crappy ports (notice how people ignore Oblivion and Virtua Tennis). Truth is nothing has come out yet that even had the potential to meet people's outrageous expectations. Lair is one of the first 2nd gen exclusive games we've seen anything from and it has spectacular visuals and could potentially be a great game. The only way PS3 is not going to be a good system is if people keep spreading BS about how terrible it is and influence enough people to not buy it because of their pointless fanboy hatred. The truth is PS3 is great hardware with an okay line-up at present and many potentially amazing games coming this year alone. 

And Motorstorm is a true next-gen racing game with incredibly fun core gameplay... it just failed to provide enough modes or variety to score well. But yeah it a killer app it certainly is not.  Resistance is a great game and easily surpases the overal quality of Halo2 imo but lacks the visuals to get the score or recognition it deserves. PS3 has good games to buy or at least rent now. By the end of this year PS3's lineup will beat 360's year one hands down and possibly it's current. Just wait till this holiday season when developers release the top notch games to prove itself (was anyone expecting these miracle games to appear in spring and make PS3 good then?). If PS3 fails to provide anything outstanding by the end of this year then it is conpletely doomed and myself and many others will abandon it.... but not until it gets a chance to prove itself. 

[QUOTE="Spartanx23"]

It is pretty funny isn't it? The PS3 has been a total joke since E3 2005 and yet, here we are. The PS3 is heading toward its one year anniversary pretty fast, and it won't have a game that trumps the 2 year old 360. I'm talking both features and graphics, because the 360 has it all baby. Has it all!:)

The next joke of a game will be Killzone 2 vs. Halo 3. I hope the cows enjoy thier wast of time trying to promote yet another Halo killer. So sad indeed.:(

Death2009

I always love seeing lemmings attack ps3 fans for no reason. The PS3 has been out for what? 5 months? The 360 has been out for what over 1 year? Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

Within the first five months of the 360's launch, it released a couple of high-rated games.  You have to admit, it shattered the expectations of a lot of people.

I don't know how long people are going to go on excusing the PS3's lack of worthwhile content. 

Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

Death2009

Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo : Elements of Power.

They're just stubborn because they realize that better hardware doesn't guarantee better games or better enjoyment. And they feel like they kinda wasted $600 for a gaming console that was made more for multimedia use than actual gaming. If they think that Blu-Ray is needed for gaming then they are morons.Shad0ki11

So what console is doing the best right now?

I know it's pretty much between the Wii and 360. 

I'll admit, the system has a lot of potential, but a success it is not. I don't quite understand why some people are still trying to claim it's a lot better - quality wise - than the 360 or Wii. It doesn't make much sense.

There's a Best Buy here that has about six PS3's sitting in the middle of the floor in the check-out area. It's like they really have no other way of getting rid of them.

I'm sure the lineup will change for the better; DMC, MGS, and FF will soon grace the console. But when the majority of people here (this site) are looking forward to a dirt-racing game, simply because it looks attractive, I question what the system really has to offer. I mean, I'm not going to kid myself, I know damn well that the majority of people on this site, namely PS3 fans, could give two craps about dirt-racing games.

Chloroformality

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

and high development costs are one thing that is going to kill sony this gen.

At this point, all three systems have been out long enough to be analyzed by multiple sources, which have recognized obvious patterns, and anybody with the basic skills to actually study these things would agree, especially in an industry that has been known for consistancy once one company gains an edge.

karicha9

I still see plenty of conflicting analyst reports and each console seems to have it's weaknesses. Console wars have NEVER been decided in the first year.

Once every system of a generation is out, the market has always been won within the first 6 months after release. This has been true of every generation, and I don't see this changing.

Just like the PSP hardware gave us better games... *sigh* I really wish Sony would stop the idiotic multimedia focus and go back to just trying to make a good gaming system.
subrosian

Ahmen. 

[QUOTE="Death2009"]Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

Ultra-Alue

Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo : Elements of Power.

This "at launch" excuse needs to go away.  The system was released in November, folks.  In spite of the 360 actually having good games to play AT LAUNCH, the PS3, five months after launch, has Jack and squat.

[QUOTE="Death2009"]Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

Ultra-Alue

Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo : Elements of Power.

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, motorstorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, and call of duty 3...Marvel: Ultimate Alliance.........I could go on and on. PS3 wins here. More are coming this year to! For some reason people miss most of PS3 titles.

[QUOTE="Ultra-Alue"][QUOTE="Death2009"]Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

CubeJL

Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo : Elements of Power.

This "at launch" excuse needs to go away.  The system was released in November, folks.  In spite of the 360 actually having good games to play AT LAUNCH, the PS3, five months after launch, has Jack and squat.

And you are wrong sir!

[QUOTE="Death2009"]Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

Ultra-Alue

Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo : Elements of Power.

Although a low-key title... I'd have to add King Kong to that list as well. The graphics were freaking sweet, Really the only game that impressed me graphically when I first played the 360. 

[QUOTE="Ultra-Alue"][QUOTE="Death2009"]Please..what did the 360 have at launch? NOTHING! Fanboy.

-supercharged-

Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, and Kameo : Elements of Power.

Although a low-key title... I'd have to add King Kong to that list as well. The graphics were freaking sweet, Really the only game that impressed me graphically when I first played the 360. 

deeeeeee...fear....deeeeeeee Coming on the 24th, looks awesome. Lair comes in july...deeeeee....good title...deeeeee

PS3 GPU is less powerful than the 360 but by how much is uncertain.  What is obvious to me, the PS3 CPU is far more powerful than the 360's.  And so, exclusive PS3 games will push more polygons and more physics and other CPU intensive conditions than the 360.  Does that necessarily make for better games?  Of course not.  Just look at the Wii......Corvin

Do I have to? the wii makes my eyes bleed.

five months after launch, has Jack and squat.CubeJL

Oh come now, that's not true.  It has several good games to play.  Nothing truely incredible, but it has more then jack squat.

You have games like Resistance Fall of Man, Motorstorm, Call of Duty 3, Def Jam Icon, Need for Speed Carbon, Formula One Championship and Virtua Fighter 5.  Sure they are not all exclusives, but that shouldn't be a big deal.  They are good games and that's really all that should matter.

[QUOTE="CubeJL"]five months after launch, has Jack and squat.Ultra-Alue

Oh come now, that's not true. It has several good games to play. Nothing truely incredible, but it has more then jack squat.

You have games like Resistance Fall of Man, Motorstorm, Call of Duty 3, Def Jam Icon, Need for Speed Carbon, Formula One Championship and Virtua Fighter 5. Sure they are not all exclusives, but that shouldn't be a big deal. They are good games and that's really all that should matter.