Why are so many trashing Move and Kinect?

Honestly... I like some of the motion games on Wii. I use wii fit and EA Active. I like the bowling game. But I would have never bought one if Kinect or Move was out. So I believe it's smart of Sony and MS to copy nintendo's only true advantage. Now you get a true hardcore gaming system and a pick up and play one with Sony or MS and in HD. Where as Nintendo has lost it's gaming hardcore fans.. Let's face it unless you are a mario fan... Wii is severly lacking in teen and adult action games! Sports and racing games are terrible and where are the good RPG's and FPS..... Plus it's the system of choice for shovel ware. Now don't get me wrong I own a wii and enjoy punchout and mario wii once in awhile but I am an old school gamer and see Nintendo's advantage slowly going away!

Games it has so far and the money to spend to get it.

Because they feel they're so hardcore from playing MW2 all day

If your wearing black kinect doesn't work. Thats why I'm not buying it. I am extremly disappointed that my clothing and room is stopping me from playing a video game.

Games it has so far and the money to spend to get it.

mitu123

I'm not trashing them, I think anything's possible however I doubt they will be succesful both critically and financially, neither have a strong lineup, and so far from what Ive seen they havent been given very much special advertising attention (although I suppose kinect bieng featured on jimmy fallon with miranda cosgrove was pretty good...)

You know how when the Wii was coming out and everyone called it gimicky and the only saving grace it would have would be nintendo developed games? Well Kinect is like that...without the saving grace. Also without the "whoa! motion controls! thats new" thing.Ace6301

I think Kinect could go farther than wii motion. Dance Central and Ubisoft's fitness game read your actual body movements and so you can't cheat like with wii dance and wii fit. Kinectimals will be a huge hit like Nintendogs. Plus using Kinect for netflix, video chatting and espn is just awesome!

I don't mind trashing Kinect. PS Move is better in every way.

Kinect looked cheesy @ E3. It didn't help when all they showcased for it was a bunch of minigames. The idea is good; but the execution of that idea was, well an execution. Unless if games come out that can really utulize this sytem, then thats all people will think is a cheesy thing. Thats why people don't like it.

Because they feel they're so hardcore from playing MW2 all day

treedoor

Because there's no need for either of the peripherals when the Wii already exists, with a much better library.charizard1605

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because they feel they're so hardcore from playing MW2 all day

Jynxzor

Using a console

to play

competitively?

Yah, you lost me on that one.

Well for Kinect it was Microsoft's Press conference, E3 2010.

@ Treedoor: Yes, it is possible to play competitvely w/ a console.

Kinect is in top100 best selling in amazon since E3, so the trashing here does not mean much, it is already a huge success Move is not in top100 though, so who knowsKinectISLife

SW itself doesn't mean much to the real world.

It's just escapism and comforts to the realities that popular games like Halo, CoD and such games sell very well.

"Hardcore" gamers are actually the minority, but the most vocal group in the Video Games industry and that Fanboys are the antithesis of a true gamer.

I don't mind trashing Kinect. PS Move is better in every way.

Dahaka-UK

won't make a difference because Kinect will be the successful one out of the 2 anyway.

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

I don't mind trashing Kinect. PS Move is better in every way.

won't make a difference because Kinect will be the successful one out of the 2 anyway.

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

I don't mind trashing Kinect. PS Move is better in every way.

tomarlyn

won't make a difference because Kinect will be the successful one out of the 2 anyway.

This. You hit the nail on the head.

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

I don't mind trashing Kinect. PS Move is better in every way.

won't make a difference because Kinect will be the successful one out of the 2 anyway.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Because there's no need for either of the peripherals when the Wii already exists, with a much better library.tomarlyn

Almost got me until I focused on his name "KinectISLife".

Anyway, motion controllers don't enhance the games I enjoy playing.

Almost got me until I focused on his name "KinectISLife".

Anyway, motion controllers don't enhance the games I enjoy playing.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]

won't make a difference because Kinect will be the successful one out of the 2 anyway.

KinectISLife

Because it's rehashing what the Wii has already done and using the "It's in HD" Gimmick to make people to buy.

Because motion control is now ALL THE RAGE. Bandwagon train choo choo.skrat_01

It's been all the rage for some time on the Wii,

it's just a lot of the "Hardcore" fanboys still live in denial.

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

I don't mind trashing Kinect. PS Move is better in every way.

tomarlyn

won't make a difference because Kinect will be the successful one out of the 2 anyway.

Like the discussions here in SW and how they reflect in the real world?

Define quality?

is it teh "hardcoreness" that you consider quality?

Or is it simply the fun factor that causes people to get these things in droves?

Because the hardcore gamer will no longer be getting all the attention from game developers. personally i dont mind, its a stepping stone to virtual reality and if the casuals wanna tag along im cool with that. Move doesnt get trashed as much because it looks like it will have a nice balance of different games, thanks to sonys first party.G-O-M-J

more like fanboys will no longer get the attention.

Nintendo have not really changed their image to family oriented gaming.

A lot of "Hardcore" gamers here act as though the Wii, it's games and the motion control have no impact and continue to live in denial.

This whole "Casual" and "hardcore" outlook is complete bogus anyway.

Wualtiy does not mean fun, or success and it does not neccessarily mean "Hardcore" either.

Super Mario Galaxy 2- Has a lot of quality built into it with varied level designs, imaginiation put into it's characters and possess a charm that is welcoming and appealing to many demographics- SW however will not consider it Hardcore because it's not a FPS,TPS and teh Graphics king.

I dont like motion gaming. In fact i would almost go to say i HATE motion gaming.

The move = the wii = been there done that didn't like it

Kinect = no controller and looking goofy waving my arms around like a dork = i want a controller?

Not only that there are no games out for them that i want to play as of yet

give it 2 years or so maybe we will all change our minds

I dont like motion gaming. In fact i would almost go to say i HATE motion gaming.

The move = the wii = been there done that didn't like it

Kinect = no controller and looking goofy waving my arms around like a dork = i want a controller?

Not only that there are no games out for them that i want to play as of yet

give it 2 years or so maybe we will all change our minds

ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ

Its a fad or phad w/e how you spell it.

Please keep gaming in the hands of controlers,key board/mouse and even arcades please. Its likethe whole movie 3d thing, movies where just fine no need to change anything.

People dont like motion controls and feel that they are ruining gaming.

Because there's just as many people who can't stop talking about them.

People dont like motion controls and feel that they are ruining gaming.

convicted_94

I think most see the ratio of shovel ware to quality games on the Wii and expect similar trends with Move and Kinect. Of course, nobody knows if that's going to happen. Seems that the shovel ware on the Wii was more a result of quick, easy programming and a lack of software sales for most third party games.

Of course, if third parties had trouble selling games on the Wii, I can't imagine how their gonna justify making better games for Move or Kinect with only a fraction of an already smaller user base to sell to.

I also think a lot of people don't like the quality games on the Wii due to the motion controls they use (the ones that do), and really don't see motion controls as a good way to interact with games.

I'm more of the mind set that they have their place, but they're not appropriate for all kinds of games, and can really break a game if they're forced to use in a game that doesn't cater to them well.

I for one am super excited for Kinect, tried it out the other day and it worked great. I am picking it up day one.

As for the move, I am not a fan of Sony in general everything from the controller to most of the software, it doesn't help that the move controller looks like a vibrator with a glowing ping pong ball glued to the top.

It seems the thread already devolded into classic SW themes ("Top100 sales", "Console add on X will beat Y in sales"...).

Anyway, to the question at hand, why so many trashing Move and Kinect.

1. First of all, "because it's fun to bash something". I dare say way too many people in SW would fit in this category here. (There is a certain beauty in seeing the flames of SW rise as fanboys try to defend or bash further something. Some rare few times you'll even see something that makes sense).

2. I guess the second better explanation is that "Casual games will flood the market", "Hardcores will have less attention". Let's be honest here, Hardcore gamers are dead (Or at least a race in extinction). Hardcore gamers never cared for graphics and console wars (SEGA Genesis x SNES anyone?), they cared for one single truth "Is the game fun to play?". Anyway, I digress. Casual gaming isn't meant to be graphic oriented, and thus the "Hardcore" graphic whores will be upset...

3. Wii did it first, did (does?) it better and have an extensive library. So what? Nintendo created the motion controls, years ago, and if their library of shovel... err... games wasn't larger that would be weird. Does it work better than Move and Kinect? I cannot know, lets wait the launch of some games and see how gamers react.

4. "If I wished a motion controlling gimmick I'd have bought the Wii a long time ago". A sound proposition, but lets face reality here, MS and Sony are aiming on a new market here.

5. "It's an add-on, add-ons are doomed to fail" (Historically true, more or less).

Those are the reasons I can think about for now... those are (some of) the reasons so many trash Move and Kinect.

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because they feel they're so hardcore from playing MW2 all day

Jynxzor

You said in 100 + words what he said in 20(ish).

People here don't like it because Move and Kinect aren't targeted toward core gamers. And how dare they not make core gamers the center of the universe (that was sarcasm, btw). Baby comes home and big brother is mad because mommy and daddy aren't paying as much attention to him.

Im more excited for the Move then Kinect. It has the casual games and hardcore ones like Killzone 3,RE5,etc... All I have seen of Kinect is casual games. Nothing is wrong with that imo but I personally want to play core games with the thing too.The tech behind Kinect is cool and all but I feel MS are jumping too deep into the casual market with Kinect. Show some love to the gamers who supported your system too from day one. I hear people saying that MS will release core games later but I find that hard to believe right now. If Kinect takes off with the casual audience,what incentive does MS have to release core games?

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because they feel they're so hardcore from playing MW2 all day

VoodooHak

You said in 100 + words what he said in 20(ish).

People here don't like it because Move and Kinect aren't targeted toward core gamers. And how dare they not make core gamers the center of the universe (that was sarcasm, btw). Baby comes home and big brother is mad because mommy and daddy aren't paying as much attention to him.

So people are not allowed to dislike something not targeted towards them? Personally I have no beef with them but I can see where the hate is coming from. also, yes people do use controlers to play competitions, wether it be KB+M or a Joystick they are considered controlers.Jynxzor

There is a difference between disliking something not targeted towards you and hating on something not targeted towards you.

I don't go around telling my daughter that her Barbies suck.

If your wearing black kinect doesn't work. Thats why I'm not buying it. I am extremly disappointed that my clothing and room is stopping me from playing a video game.

warownslife

Why are so many trashing Move and Kinect?atarigrad