Why are there TONS of WW2 based games, but never any WW1 games?

Im guessing its because the US didnt play quite as large a role in WWI as they did in WWII and seeing as how all these WWII games have u playing as an American soldier...it could pose a problem :P

edit: Forgot to mention that WWII also had some epic battles that are just far more exciting and memorable.

There are WW1 games you just have to look

The one that I remember now is Aggression Reign Over Europe

Though it spans from WW1 to WW2 and very buggy.

People really have to keep a bit more open minded about things... I wouldent just dismiss it becuase "trench warfare, chemical weapons and no smgs will be boooooooooring and suck"

Battlefield 1918 kicked ass.

Seriously it was awesome, trench warfare and all.

Zepplins too!

I'll just copy and paste this reply I had to an earlier thread about this subject, since it's relevant and I think that WWI games are entirely feasible.

"Not ALL of WWI was fought in trenches. For example, Germany/France's opening consecutive offensives saw fairly rapid movement and attempts to flank the enemy (at least the Germans did), with nary a ditch to be dug. This quickly gave way to trench warfare, certainly, but it didn't have to happen. Moreover, the eastern battles between Russia and Germany saw no trench warfare, with both sides making rapid deployments, attempts to encircle, and even a couple of rogue German corps commanders attacking a Russian army against the orders of the army commander. I think this aspect of WWI, often overlooked in Western accounts of the war, would make a decent video game. Granted, it might seem like a slower WWII game without tanks or Nazis, but it wouldn't be the popular image of trench warfare."

I believe there is a WW1 game coming out soon called "To End All Wars"

It's supposed to be a super gritty war game. I hope it turns out good.

besides the general lack of excitement that everyone is describing (trench warfare, getting mustard-gassed, etc), theres also a general lack of accomplishment that comes along with world war 1.

think about it and compare to world war 2.

in world war 2, multiple evil dictators stopped in their tracks. senseless evil halted.

in world war 1 victory set the precident that instigated world war 2 (harsh treaties, regulations that result in ruined economies, etc).

unless you're a politician dreaming about how easy it used to be to ruin your enemy's political system, world war 1 doesnt translate well into a game.

/history lesson.

besides the general lack of excitement that everyone is describing (trench warfare, getting mustard-gassed, etc), theres also a general lack of accomplishment that comes along with world war 1.

think about it and compare to world war 2.

in world war 2, multiple evil dictators stopped in their tracks. senseless evil halted.

in world war 1 victory set the precident that instigated world war 2 (harsh treaties, regulations that result in ruined economies, etc).

unless you're a politician dreaming about how easy it used to be to ruin your enemy's political system, world war 1 doesnt translate well into a game.

/history lesson.

useLOGIC

Mowing down thousands of enemy soldiers who's only goal is to advance their stake in the battlefield by a few feet doesn't sound like a very... appropriate thing to make a game about either. :?

I believe there is a WW1 game coming out soon called "To End All Wars"

It's supposed to be a super gritty war game. I hope it turns out good.

Juggernaut140

pretty badtle choice though. It did not really end anything.

We had WW2, cold war, vietnam, gulf war, Iraq invasion...

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

I believe there is a WW1 game coming out soon called "To End All Wars"

It's supposed to be a super gritty war game. I hope it turns out good.

NinjaMunkey01

pretty badtle choice though. It did not really end anything.

We had WW2, cold war, vietnam, gulf war, Iraq invasion...

WW1 was called "The War to End All Wars" back then so I think it's a pretty good title choice.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

I believe there is a WW1 game coming out soon called "To End All Wars"

It's supposed to be a super gritty war game. I hope it turns out good.

Juggernaut140

pretty badtle choice though. It did not really end anything.

We had WW2, cold war, vietnam, gulf war, Iraq invasion...

WW1 was called "The War to End All Wars" back then so I think it's a pretty good title choice.

Yeah I already knew that.

What I meant was the title to the ACTUAL war was bad, not the game. The game title choice was good.

I mean if the person who named the war saw all the wars we have had to date, would he/she still call it the war to end all wars?

Yeah I already knew that.

What I meant was the title to the ACTUAL war was bad, not the game. The game title choice was good.

I mean if the person who named the war saw all the wars we have had to date, would he/she still call it the war to end all wars?

NinjaMunkey01

I think most people back then think that it was a noble war.

People really have to keep a bit more open minded about things... I wouldent just dismiss it becuase "trench warfare, chemical weapons and no smgs will be boooooooooring and suck"

Battlefield 1918 kicked ass.

Seriously it was awesome, trench warfare and all.

Zepplins too!

skrat_01

Is that a BF1942 mod?

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Yeah I already knew that.

What I meant was the title to the ACTUAL war was bad, not the game. The game title choice was good.

I mean if the person who named the war saw all the wars we have had to date, would he/she still call it the war to end all wars?

Lonelynight

I think most people back then think that it was a noble war.

Yeah I know. My firts post on this thread was not really meant to be serious but I did not really make that obvious.

It was at the time the biggest war ever. Just imagine though just as everyone was getting back to normal suddenly WW2 is announced... :|

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

I believe there is a WW1 game coming out soon called "To End All Wars"

It's supposed to be a super gritty war game. I hope it turns out good.

NinjaMunkey01

pretty badtle choice though. It did not really end anything.

We had WW2, cold war, vietnam, gulf war, Iraq invasion...

Why does everyone keep forgetting the Korean War? Hell it almost resulted in The Americans invading China (so much so that the Chinese assisted the North Korean counterattack back to the parallel) and the use of Nuclear Weapons.

I think most people back then think that it was a noble war.

Lonelynight

It was the first war to totally shred the notion of nobility at war.

What started as a confict by the rules of engagement resulted in chaos on a scale unseen in any conflict

For example, here in Australia the notion of going to war was met with excitement and anticipation, then only after the horrible failure that was the Gallipoli invasion (as lead by Churchill) did the country's attitude take a massive change.

Is that a BF1942 mod?

Lonelynight

I think there is a BF2 version aswell...

Just imagine though just as everyone was getting back to normal suddenly WW2 is announced... :|

NinjaMunkey01

I don't think it was very sudden for the Germans

Why does everyone keep forgetting the Korean War? Hell it almost resulted in The Americans invading China (so much so that the Chinese assisted the North Korean counterattack back to the parallel) and the use of Nuclear Weapons.

skrat_01

Kinda sucks that it is called the forgotten war even though it was a very important one. Hope some good devs would make a game based on the forgotten war.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

I think most people back then think that it was a noble war.

skrat_01

It was the first war to totally shred the notion of nobility at war.

What started as a confict by the rules of engagement resulted in chaos on a scale unseen in any conflict

For example, here in Australia the notion of going to war was met with excitement and anticipation, then only after the horrible failure that was the Gallipoli invasion (as lead by Churchill) did the country's attitude take a massive change.

Is that a BF1942 mod?

Lonelynight

I think there is a BF2 version aswell...

That was I meant to say, people viewing it as noble first.

And that mod does look intresting.

The world needs Nazis to mow down. If they can't have Nazis, they might also settle for eastern european or arabian types, but that's about it. As a German myself, I can say that we are so used as being portraied as awfully clisheed villains it is getting tedious, and I imagine it's the same with the other usual suspects for "people the mostly american crowd wants to hate in games/movies". Whom will you fight in a WW1 shooter? Russians? That would make you fight in favor of the Germans, which of course is a no-no, they're all Nazis anyway. Also the russians were allied with the UK. Fighting the Germans is no fun when there is no Hitler involved. Austrians? Hungary? Italy? Boring. Also too risky, they might get upset (look at RE5).

The average american has very limited knowledge of WW2, besides that there was this very evil dude who tried to kill everone. Which is suiting enough for videogames.

Exposing the crowd to a WW1-themed game, I suppose, is deemed to complicated. You'd have to actually explain who is fighting whom and why.

The world needs Nazis to mow down. If they can't have Nazis, they might also settle for eastern european or arabian types, but that's about it. As a German myself, I can say that we are so used as being portraied as awfully clisheed villains it is getting tedious, and I imagine it's the same with the other usual suspects for "people the mostly american crowd wants to hate in games/movies". Whom will you fight in a WW1 shooter? Russians? That would make you fight in favor of the Germans, which of course is a no-no, they're all Nazis anyway. Also the russians were allied with the UK. Fighting the Germans is no fun when there is no Hitler involved. Austrians? Hungary? Italy? Boring. Also too risky, they might get upset (look at RE5).

The average american has very limited knowledge of WW2, besides that there was this very evil dude who tried to kill everone. Which is suiting enough for videogames.

Exposing the crowd to a WW1-themed game, I suppose, is deemed to complicated. You'd have to actually explain who is fighting whom and why.

Lothenon

They could always make a video game that does not aim at Americans.

I really wish there would be a game where you play as an Axis(NOT Nazi) soldier in WW2 and some how give an idea of what the Holocaust was like inside the camp.(No I'm not saying making a torture game just witnessing it)

And also fight against the Allies.

Few reasons (I'm going to get a little historical here, so those who hate history look away).

Firstly, it's crappy source material for a game. WW2 was a dynamic war, WW1 was a static one. While not the entire war was trench warfare (Eastern Front, Middle East, etc) it's the Western Front the West remembers more than anything. And that thing was a snooze, except for 1914 when the lines were set down and 1918 when the lines were broken again.

Secondly, America played a very minor role. Obviously since most Western developers are from the States, this excludes thier userbase and their interests. The US basically spent the whole war with its hands thrown in the air in neutrality, stepping in only when the Germans began practicing Duke Nukem diplomacy against their trade ships.

Lastly, it's not a popular war in Western memory. It's not just that we don't have WW1 games, we have a distinct lack of WW1 movies, novels, TV shows, everything, compared to WW2. Why? Because when we look at WW2, we find a clear winner, a clear reason for fighting and a clear sense of moral mission.

When we look at WW1 we see a conflict where millions died for god knows what, where the resolution was inconclusive, and the result was the decline of Europe.

Few reasons (I'm going to get a little historical here, so those who hate history look away).

Firstly, it's crappy source material for a game. WW2 was a dynamic war, WW1 was a static one. While not the entire war was trench warfare (Eastern Front, Middle East, etc) it's the Western Front the West remembers more than anything. And that thing was a snooze, except for 1914 when the lines were set down and 1918 when the lines were broken again.

Secondly, America played a very minor role. Obviously since most Western developers are from the States, this excludes thier userbase and their interests. The US basically spent the whole war with its hands thrown in the air in neutrality, stepping in only when the Germans began practicing Duke Nukem diplomacy against their trade ships.

Lastly, it's not a popular war in Western memory. It's not just that we don't have WW1 games, we have a distinct lack of WW1 movies, novels, TV shows, everything, compared to WW2. Why? Because when we look at WW2, we find a clear winner, a clear reason for fighting and a clear sense of moral mission.

When we look at WW1 we see a conflict where millions died for god knows what, where the resolution was inconclusive, and the result was the decline of Europe.

Danm_999

Though yes you are correct, its much easier to make a game in a WW2 setting, and its somthing that appeals more to the western public.

The idea of trench warfare in a video game is a particularly dull one. But hey, they could use quicktime events!Locke562

This, plus the game would be impossible imagine it, *whistle blows* "Over the top boys!!!" you run forwards *ratatatata* Oh dear you're dead!

Bu bu bu bu teh Lusitania was a passenger ship! :cry:

Though yes you are correct, its much easier to make a game in a WW2 setting, and its somthing that appeals more to the western public.

skrat_01

I find is darkly amusing that the medals the U-boat crew were awarded featured a sinking Lusitania with numerous deck-cannons and other heavy-caliber armaments.

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People really have to keep a bit more open minded about things... I wouldent just dismiss it becuase "trench warfare, chemical weapons and no smgs will be boooooooooring and suck"

Battlefield 1918 kicked ass.

Seriously it was awesome, trench warfare and all.

Zepplins too!

Lonelynight

Is that a BF1942 mod?

Yup. There was also The Great War mod for it. I think it had more 'realism' than BF1918. Can't remember exactly, it's been years.

They already have. It's called Space Invaders.

You sit at the bottom of the screen and shoot everything that comes at you. Rinse and repeat.

WW1 was a very stationary war. Also, it sucked.

They already have. It's called Space Invaders.

You sit at the bottom of the screen and shoot everything that comes at you. Rinse and repeat.

WW1 was a very stationary war. Also, it sucked.

EddyPee

[QUOTE="EddyPee"]

They already have. It's called Space Invaders.

You sit at the bottom of the screen and shoot everything that comes at you. Rinse and repeat.

WW1 was a very stationary war. Also, it sucked.

skrat_01

When it is in video-game form and doesn't involve months of stationary trench warfare.

You know, a WWI Silent Hunter game would be pretty cool...

Imagine, being U-21 and being able to sink the Lusitania.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Bu bu bu bu teh Lusitania was a passenger ship! :cry:

Though yes you are correct, its much easier to make a game in a WW2 setting, and its somthing that appeals more to the western public.

Verge_6

I find is darkly amusing that the medals the U-boat crew were awarded featured a sinking Lusitania with numerous deck-cannons and other heavy-caliber armaments.

You know, a WWI Silent Hunter game would be pretty cool...

Imagine, being U-21 and being able to sink the Lusitania.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

You know, a WWI Silent Hunter game would be pretty cool...

Imagine, being U-21 and being able to sink the Lusitania.

skrat_01

Those Q-Ships could certainly make things interesting too.

You know, a WWI Silent Hunter game would be pretty cool...

Imagine, being U-21 and being able to sink the Lusitania.

Verge_6

That would get people like Jack Thompson intrested.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

You know, a WWI Silent Hunter game would be pretty cool...

Imagine, being U-21 and being able to sink the Lusitania.

Lonelynight

That would get people like Jack Thompson intrested.

It's not like they'll show the people sliding down the decks as the ship sinks or anything.