@Flubbbs said:
i like collecting physical copies of games
Same here.
Why are you not excited for the digital future?
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@bunchanumbers said:
Is there a TL;DR to this Gettysburg Address? Its probably 'Moo I collect games I don't play!'
If you looked at my posts you'd realize that I love the digital stuff and I want more of it. I even suggested more ways to get more digital content on the Wii U eshop. If Nintendo went the route Sony is going and went all digital I wouldn't even have to worry about this. The entire library would be at my fingertips wherever I go and from any device. Nintendo is so far behind on this stuff though. Thank god Sony is considering it though.
The "LOL TL;DR" version.
Digital Only gives us the consumers less freedom than Physical.
The True Horrors of Digital only generation are actually happening now if you look at it. You lose your Nintendo console via Theft or just Faulty Hardware you have to go and call Nintendo to get your Games back.
Sony's Playstation Now suffers the same issue Onlive would have, you "buy" a game and then it gets taken off the service. You won't have access to that game since you know Cloud Based Game is no longer on Cloud Based System, but you paid money right? Yup you gave Sony to give you a license to play the game and that license has expired.
The only way you could have Deadpool on Steam is if you had bought it before it was taken off the service.
You maybe asking yourself now, if we're so against a Digital Only future then why support Steam?
Thing is We really have no choice, Publishers aren't exactly printing out PC Discs left and right and to Indies getting rights to Publish Discs takes time and money, and Stores don't see much of a market in PC games.
In short everyone just finds Digital Distribution to be Easier and convenient. That's why we are seeing more Indie Games, That's why we are seeing Stores carry Digital Currency Cards rather than Game Discs, That's why some Classic Titles like Super Mario Bros, Crash Bandicoot, and Dragon Quest are seeing Digital Re-Releases rather than Physical.
It's inevitable as one would say, but that's why it's more important than ever to push for Physical copies because we can only lose in a Digital Future.
I prefer to buy physical games , just insert the disc & play straight away. I downloaded games from PSN but due to my bad internet connection had to wait countless days or hours to actually download the game.
I'll stick to buying the disc.
Urrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
The way I see it, PS Now is just an excuse not to get a working emulator on the PS4 for BC. I mean, the way they probably see it is making a game people buy once and they don't make any more money off the customer for that game after that, whereas a streaming service means they'll always be paying if they're streaming. It's fucking genius.
Last gen Sony got a functioning emulator that plays PS2 games to work on PS3, they could have released it at large so people with PS2 discs could play their old games, but no, instead they just sold the emulator attacked to the game ISO separately as the PS2 classics, meaning everybody had to by it again just to play. If it were simply a port, I'd understand the need to pay twice for games, but it's not a port, it's a emulator that just needs the original PS2 ISO. That fucking sucks! That means Sony has been ripping people off big time. And that's just on stuff to own, why let them dig the knife deeper with this PS Now streaming rental shit.
Digital future might be right for you if:
1.) You live somewhere with very fast and cheap internet and no data caps. Game files are already 50 gigabytes, and are likely to grow.
2.) You have no friends or family members to loan your games to.
3.) You have lots of money. You can't sell or trade your digital games to put towards new ones.
4.) You are fat / lazy and spending 30 seconds to get off the couch or chair and switch discs is too much of a hassle.
5.) You don't care about ownership. With an actual physical game you should be able to play it whenever you want. With digital games you have no idea how long the servers are going to be around, what happens if your internet goes out, etc.
Probably more reasons, but suffice to say, I refuse to buy console games digitally.
We won't see the industry shift to completely digital for a while. None of the major forms of entertainment have gone completely digital (yet).
That said, digital is and will be the future of the industry and like every other industry that went through the transition, we'll need to address some cores issues like many people here have brought up. Complaining about these issues without giving the industry some ideas of how to fix them is useless.
If anyone wants to bring up some serious concerns, then bring up some possible solutions. I'd be more than happy to chime in.
No resale value. Consoles only go up in price, generally.
Have you seen the prices I can go to my local game store and get games cheaper plus reward points and all that.
I just think about the millions of people that STILL are without decent broadband services around the world. So is it just a case of "well **** them" ?
Otherwise, I agree that digital is the future. We're already being weened with physical copies that are bare bones discs with no manual. Soon they'll be putting discs in cheese wrappers, and if you want the "premium" edition ( a game case) to go with your disc you'll have to pay $100 for cheap blue/green plastic.
Fix the entire worlds broadband infrastructure, then go fully DD. Until that happens, you need to give other options to the people that don't have access to broadband.
I expect DD to be the future. However I'll still suport physical until I can
@LegatoSkyheart said:
@bunchanumbers said:
Is there a TL;DR to this Gettysburg Address? Its probably 'Moo I collect games I don't play!'
If you looked at my posts you'd realize that I love the digital stuff and I want more of it. I even suggested more ways to get more digital content on the Wii U eshop. If Nintendo went the route Sony is going and went all digital I wouldn't even have to worry about this. The entire library would be at my fingertips wherever I go and from any device. Nintendo is so far behind on this stuff though. Thank god Sony is considering it though.
The "LOL TL;DR" version.
Digital Only gives us the consumers less freedom than Physical.
The True Horrors of Digital only generation are actually happening now if you look at it. You lose your Nintendo console via Theft or just Faulty Hardware you have to go and call Nintendo to get your Games back.
Sony's Playstation Now suffers the same issue Onlive would have, you "buy" a game and then it gets taken off the service. You won't have access to that game since you know Cloud Based Game is no longer on Cloud Based System, but you paid money right? Yup you gave Sony to give you a license to play the game and that license has expired.
The only way you could have Deadpool on Steam is if you had bought it before it was taken off the service.
You maybe asking yourself now, if we're so against a Digital Only future then why support Steam?
Thing is We really have no choice, Publishers aren't exactly printing out PC Discs left and right and to Indies getting rights to Publish Discs takes time and money, and Stores don't see much of a market in PC games.
In short everyone just finds Digital Distribution to be Easier and convenient. That's why we are seeing more Indie Games, That's why we are seeing Stores carry Digital Currency Cards rather than Game Discs, That's why some Classic Titles like Super Mario Bros, Crash Bandicoot, and Dragon Quest are seeing Digital Re-Releases rather than Physical.
It's inevitable as one would say, but that's why it's more important than ever to push for Physical copies because we can only lose in a Digital Future.
There are solutions to most of this stuff though. MS is already working on the latency issue and when that is solved then there will be nothing holding back the digital future. In the digital future, if I lose my device I can log into my account, disassociate my account to all devices, which means my console won't be associated to it. I don't lose games, saves, friend lists etc. Then I associate it to a new device and I lose nothing. I could argue that it would be even safer than it is now. Consoles would be worthless because there will be tons of other devices that can play the games without issue.
Its true that if Sony loses licenses then those games can't be available but isn't that what people want? People love when their games are rare. So even in the digital future there will still be rarities that you will have to hunt for or be lucky enough to have before its gone.
@GrenadeLauncher said:
Urrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
I know you hate it but I speak the truth. When Sony embraces the future like they are debating and PS5 is a cloud based achievement to humanity we'll be friends. Until then you're welcome to keep hating me.
Like it or hate it, the digital future is already here and it doesn't matter what a largely shrinking physical media demanding userbase thinks.
People are already used to getting all of their games via download, the Ipad and other mobile devices have already seen to that. If it isn't the next console, it will certainly be the gen after that. The consoles have been following the PCs evolution since, forever. Optical drives are pretty much obsolete.
I know everyone isn't me, but it's been a while since I bought a console game on physical media. I really don't care either way ( I stopped trading in games long ago) but digital is more convenient for me. I remember people saying the same thing about digital cameras vs film. They don't make film cameras anymore (sniff) the convenience of digital won out.
I don't have room to keep tons of disc cases around. All my PS1, PS2, Gamecube, and PC games are in huge boxes. If I ever want to play an old game, I have to dig through tons of boxes just to play it. I like digital gaming because it's so much more convenient to simply download the game.
The only reason why digital gaming hasn't taken off completely is because of how bad the internet is in the United States. Other parts of the world have easy access to internet and fast speeds.
@heretrix said:
Like it or hate it, the digital future is already here and it doesn't matter what a largely shrinking physical media demanding userbase thinks.
People are already used to getting all of their games via download, the Ipad and other mobile devices have already seen to that. If it isn't the next console, it will certainly be the gen after that. The consoles have been following the PCs evolution since, forever. Optical drives are pretty much obsolete.
I know everyone isn't me, but it's been a while since I bought a console game on physical media. I really don't care either way ( I stopped trading in games long ago) but digital is more convenient for me. I remember people saying the same thing about digital cameras vs film. They don't make film cameras anymore (sniff) the convenience of digital won out.
You assume gamers want physical media so they can trade them in. No. Gamers love their games. They want physical media so they can keep them and so, ya know, they feel like they bought something? The camera v film analogy is just bizarre.
@blueinheaven said:
@heretrix said:
Like it or hate it, the digital future is already here and it doesn't matter what a largely shrinking physical media demanding userbase thinks.
People are already used to getting all of their games via download, the Ipad and other mobile devices have already seen to that. If it isn't the next console, it will certainly be the gen after that. The consoles have been following the PCs evolution since, forever. Optical drives are pretty much obsolete.
I know everyone isn't me, but it's been a while since I bought a console game on physical media. I really don't care either way ( I stopped trading in games long ago) but digital is more convenient for me. I remember people saying the same thing about digital cameras vs film. They don't make film cameras anymore (sniff) the convenience of digital won out.
You assume gamers want physical media so they can trade them in. No. Gamers love their games. They want physical media so they can keep them and so, ya know, they feel like they bought something? The camera v film analogy is just bizarre.
I also love how he thinks millions of physical media buyers "doesn't matter". Oh, it'll matter in the shareholders meetings, it'll matter greatly when the industry sees continual low sales compared to generations' past, and collapses in on itself.
@Bigboi500 said:
@blueinheaven said:
@heretrix said:
Like it or hate it, the digital future is already here and it doesn't matter what a largely shrinking physical media demanding userbase thinks.
People are already used to getting all of their games via download, the Ipad and other mobile devices have already seen to that. If it isn't the next console, it will certainly be the gen after that. The consoles have been following the PCs evolution since, forever. Optical drives are pretty much obsolete.
I know everyone isn't me, but it's been a while since I bought a console game on physical media. I really don't care either way ( I stopped trading in games long ago) but digital is more convenient for me. I remember people saying the same thing about digital cameras vs film. They don't make film cameras anymore (sniff) the convenience of digital won out.
You assume gamers want physical media so they can trade them in. No. Gamers love their games. They want physical media so they can keep them and so, ya know, they feel like they bought something? The camera v film analogy is just bizarre.
I also love how he thinks millions of physical media buyers "doesn't matter". Oh, it'll matter in the shareholders meetings, it'll matter greatly when the industry sees continual low sales compared to generations' past, and collapses in on itself.
Do you seriously believe that when console go digital only the industry will "collapse in itself" are you seriously ignoring:
a. This didn't happen when PCs were pushed almost primarily to digital only and yet they seem to be doing just fine
b. the incredibly successful rise of tablets and mobile gaming where there is no physical media at all?
I understand that neither of these devices are EXACTLY the same as a console but they are all computer based tech and that tech has been moving away from disc based storage for years now. It's only a matter of time.
I never said millions of gamers don't matter, I said that portion of the userbase is shrinking- NOT THE SAME THING.
@GrenadeLauncher said:
Urrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Anyway, I don't really care if they go all digital. Unless it's Nintendo. Seriously, **** Nintendo and their antiquated ways. I won't buy a single digital product from them until they change their system...
Bring on the digital future. My body is ready!
Depends what we talk about with the "Digital Future"
TC chose two possibl estreaming options, not the ability to have the game locally (which you still have from a digital copy on a hdd).
I have very Little against digital, but I do not trust Corperations to make future consoles compatible with the prior one, so unlike the PC where I playied a game from 1993 the other day, I have seen very few examples of consoles being able to play the digital games from prior libraries, and all too common we hear the console makers shutting Down services for older games. So if it is simply digital download, all I need is some assurance that the games will carry over.
Streaming is a different beast intirely, I have not seem a working steraming service in my life that can Work on all kinds of games. having to download the image, upload your input, and change it, will likely always end up giving too much of a delay in alot of games. Which I don't like, we are not talkign about remote play on the Vita from another room here, we are talking potential hundreds of miles. Depending on where nearest hub is.
The Prices, will become another issue, most streaming services does not allow you to own and Thus play the games when you feel like it, I remember when people found out that if you paid full Price for a game on onlive, you would only stand to have it for a few years. And I doubt we will see better from Sony or MS, the theoretical prices that sony has thrown out is horribly overpriced. And the sad fact is that you will take out all competition when going to a streaming service, so you WILL be at the mercy of the corperation in charge, and they have never proven to be trusted. Even digital games can be bought in a store, but Streaming I can not see that working with, at most you will likely be allowed to "rent" it b Card, since it brings more Money for the corperation.
Basicly I can survive digital downloaded versions of games, if corperations pull thier heads out and make the infrastructure needed (which they so far have not, who knows, maybe this is the first generation. Then I would be fine with it on console.
I can not survive streaming, because it removes most competition, and near all consumer rights (bypassed as streaming games really can fall under renting, as it has already been established via streaming services for movies and tv series). So they would have a legal leg to stand on, by never selling you anything Again, but instead taking 10$ per day you play any game, per game (and likely some 20$ a day to play all games) Untill I see the corperations being reasonable I do not trust them to make it worth it for the consumer, and I am unsure if you could ever Work out the delay in streaming games, which is very different then streaming a movie.
@Bigboi500 said:
@blueinheaven said:
@heretrix said:
Like it or hate it, the digital future is already here and it doesn't matter what a largely shrinking physical media demanding userbase thinks.
People are already used to getting all of their games via download, the Ipad and other mobile devices have already seen to that. If it isn't the next console, it will certainly be the gen after that. The consoles have been following the PCs evolution since, forever. Optical drives are pretty much obsolete.
I know everyone isn't me, but it's been a while since I bought a console game on physical media. I really don't care either way ( I stopped trading in games long ago) but digital is more convenient for me. I remember people saying the same thing about digital cameras vs film. They don't make film cameras anymore (sniff) the convenience of digital won out.
You assume gamers want physical media so they can trade them in. No. Gamers love their games. They want physical media so they can keep them and so, ya know, they feel like they bought something? The camera v film analogy is just bizarre.
I also love how he thinks millions of physical media buyers "doesn't matter". Oh, it'll matter in the shareholders meetings, it'll matter greatly when the industry sees continual low sales compared to generations' past, and collapses in on itself.
Those millions will switch to digital if there is reason to. I don't think millions of gamers would just stop gaming entirely if they had to buy digital games.
Well... maybe they won't switch. The switch on PC happened, but only did because of the open nature of the platform, and by that I mean there is competition in the PC market space, and therefore companies are competing to provide the best services. Dropping physical on PC was a no-brainer years ago given the cheapness, convenience, and all the support it has as far as features like cloud storage, auto-updating, and whatnot. Plus, the first digital game I ever bought on Steam is usable on any PC I own, and I can download it infinitely, and it'll never go away.
It's a bit different on consoles... Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are quite stingy when it comes to digital games. It's a hassle to transfer games across platforms, and its expensive because they have monopolies on their digital stores. And then there are things like cloud saves/storage that Sony keeps locked up behind a $50-a-year paywall. Pretty disgusting practices given what alternatives exist as far as gaming is concerned. Especially when the alternatives are free, and better.
I wouldn't doubt that consoles just go away someday soon. Game sales do keep going down on consoles. I don't think it has anything to do with the switch to digital. It's probably more because people are getting tired of being bent over for less and less content at higher and higher prices.
@bunchanumbers said:
There are solutions to most of this stuff though. MS is already working on the latency issue and when that is solved then there will be nothing holding back the digital future. In the digital future, if I lose my device I can log into my account, disassociate my account to all devices, which means my console won't be associated to it. I don't lose games, saves, friend lists etc. Then I associate it to a new device and I lose nothing. I could argue that it would be even safer than it is now. Consoles would be worthless because there will be tons of other devices that can play the games without issue.
Its true that if Sony loses licenses then those games can't be available but isn't that what people want? People love when their games are rare. So even in the digital future there will still be rarities that you will have to hunt for or be lucky enough to have before its gone.
You clearly don't understand the Value of Games.
Digital Rarity is not the same as Physical Rarity.
In short it's nearly impossible to have something "Digitally Rare". It's taboo to talk about it, but let's take to consideration of MS-DOS games. most of those games aren't even available for sale anymore. So how can people play them now? Through DOS-Box Emulation and (sadly) Pirated Roms. Game is Physically Rare, but Digitally not so much. Once stuff like that is cracked and/or copied the files aren't nearly as Rare as a Physical Medium. It's different.
So in short you're being a bit delusional thinking that Sony losing a License to a game that you can only get through Cloud Based Systems and that Game leaves it's services blocking every access from those who paid for the game or wanting to play it is "GOOD".
Let me spell it out for you. IT'S NOT. That's a game LOST forever. That's someone's hardwork just thrown away. We've seen some articles about MMOs or Online Multiplayer games where the Servers go off and the Developers feel sad or unfulfilled that a game they made will not be played by someone in the future, and some will go to great lengths just to keep servers alive.
Yes, there are some Digital Policies out in play that help us Consumers, but You should always read the Terms of Agreements. Right now Nintendo holds the rights to take ANY of your Digital Content away from you should they feel that your purchases were illegitimate. They are quite rare, but some people have gotten their Club Nintendo Games taken away or Promotional Games Taken away simply because the Club Nintendo Account tied to said game is no longer on the Console or if Someone registered 1 too many versions of Pokemon for the Platinum award.
Steam Can do this too mind you.
As things keep going Digital it might seem ok at first (I mean yeah, it's super convenient how can it NOT be anything but good?). But the allegations I and many others have had against the rest of the industry still stand.
A Digital Only Future just insures us LESS freedom than what we already have.
@bunchanumbers said:
@GrenadeLauncher said:
Urrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
I know you hate it but I speak the truth. When Sony embraces the future like they are debating and PS5 is a cloud based achievement to humanity we'll be friends. Until then you're welcome to keep hating me.
Uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm actually looking forward to Playstation Now as a future for console gaming. I think we've reached a point in which we can't really get good enough hardware for the budget of £400 that shows serious progress. And we have to stay with these consoles for the next 8 years.
The only solution is to use a streaming service like PS Now and have companies like Sony and MS improve the technology on their end continually.
The PC obviously doesn't have this issue. I started out PC gaming with an overclocked GTX 750Ti. It's decent and quite capable. It's a great starter card. But that's okay on the PC, because I can upgrade when I'm ready and I plan to in about year.
I know I get involved in the whole SWs fanboy thing, but truthfully, I'm haven't really been impressed with the graphics this gen has produced, especially at 60fps.
@HalcyonScarlet said:
I'm actually looking forward to Playstation Now as a future for console gaming. I think we've reached a point in which we can't really get good enough hardware for the budget of £400 that shows serious progress. And we have to stay with these consoles for the next 8 years.
The only solution is to use a streaming service like PS Now and have companies like Sony and MS improve the technology on their end continually.
The PC obviously doesn't have this issue. I started out PC gaming with an overclocked GTX 750Ti. It's decent and quite capable. It's a great starter card. But that's okay on the PC, because I can upgrade when I'm ready and I plan to in about year.
I know I get involved in the whole SWs fanboy thing, but truthfully, I'm haven't really been impressed with the graphics this gen has produced, especially at 60fps.
You are looking forward to game streaming where the image quality can vary from second to second with random resolutions, artifacting, and input lag? For the amount of money the industry makes you'd think that it would be heading in a quality route. Nobody cares about quality anymore, and I'd maybe even say that people are blind to it when it is there. The lay person of tech today doesn't really see a difference between a bluray disc and a netflix stream. Supporting a game stream service is just the beginning of the end. That is when there'd be a complete lack of control how a product is bought.
@bunchanumbers said:
@SolidTy said:
This speculatory fear mongering based on conjecture and a huge dislike of one of the console companies by the TC won't effect me. Funny thing too, console DD games are more expensive that physical console games. As far as the TC's conjecture (which is way too early as the gen just started) based on click bait from early and imo stupid articles and dumb PR speak by companies designed to sell current hardware? I'll take reality and the present time, after all, we all saw what happened at E3 2014 where Sony rejected Digital-only and forced M$ to 180 all their greedy DD anti consumer decisions. That was good for me as I was open to buy a launch Xbone and I did along with my launch Wii U and PS4.
I value the ability to freely trade/sell/collect/rent/lend/borrow physical console games.
It's pathetic, but physical console games besides being better for the consumer in the long term are also far cheaper. It's so sad how companies have SAVED $$$ MONEY eliminating printing paper, eliminating plastic cases, no shipping costs, no middle man retailer costs, no having to print a disc, cut down manufacturing costs, having the consumer deal with downloading and storing the game, and eliminating their worry about a potential future used games on the market for every DD game they sell (when the buyer is done with the game)...AND YET, the console DD games are more expensive!! Ha! It's foolhardy to support DD knowing that. Best Buy just did a Buy 2 get one free on all their new and used games including Wii U. Target just did the same B2G1F sale on their new games a month ago and every year. Gamestop/EB does it. Kmart, Sears, Costco, Amazon, they all do it. That's not to say console DD doesn't go on sale, but the physical sales are better and happen far often. Besides those amazing sales on physical console games, we saw many PHYSICAL retail titles from Wolfenstein ($14.99-$24.99) to Mario Kart 8 ($29.99) to Evil Within ($19.99-24.99) to Mario Kart 7 ($20) to Call of Duty ($40) to Diablo III $25 to GS GOTY Shadow of Mordor ($25) to Halo MCC ($40) to Lego Hobbit to Lego Marvel to Lego Batman 3 to The Last of Us Remastered to Assassin's Creed to Dragon Age: Inquisition to Super Smash Bros and pretty much all of the biggest games on sale (Physical console games at least). It happens every year like clockwork. These sales happen for a variety of reasons, but one is because OVERSTOCK. You have too many copies of a game? Reduce the price and create shelf space for the next games...across Hundreds of retailers! That means Walmart might have too many of game and Target may have too many of another. You get both on sale! This doesn't happen in the DD console world and you are forced to rely on whatever special deals the console dictates. No thank you.
I own four PCs and I know digital well. I don't like digital and DRM that comes with it, but to combat that every multiplat that releases on console. I'll take it. I'll lose some resolution and frames, but gain the ability to avoid DRM. My four gaming PCs are for exclusives AND reduced prices I find from time to time across various competing DD store fronts (Steam-GOG-Greenman-Origin-humble, etc). These store fronts DO NOT EXIST ON CONSOLE, and therefore CONSOLE DD games have less competition and stay at a higher price because there is only one store on that console and you can take it or leave it. Screw that. I should point out when I do accept buying a DD game on my PCs, they are literally pennies on the dollar. If steam, god forbid, went down, what happens to my library of hundreds of DD games? I have to hope they will relinquish it on the masses, but that's a scary thing to consider. I can sleep at night knowing I paid so little for the games at least. Luckily, PC as I have stated, as MANY DD store fronts, something consoles lack. I will not and have not EVER paid full price for a DD game. I want something really bad and it's digital only? I wait for a sale. Thankfully retailers sell physical copies of PC games so I'll always find a deal one way or the other. I'm too old-school and I've reasoned out all of this years ago. I've already explained this but every few years there are a bunch of new posters that demand the same answers once again.
When consoles go full scale DRM and decide to work together to force it, I'm sticking to my PCs (where there is a huge marketplace of DD games which drives DD prices down). I will ditch consoles which have a limited ecosystem (one console manufacture dictating prices instead of a free market). Also, I don't mean to offend, but this seems an obvious attempt by the TC justify the DD games the TC has been buying and supporting for his own Wii U. It was only yesterday I saw the TC mentioned he regretted buying an HDD for his Wii U. The reason that HDD Wii U thread is relevant is because the TC came to realize after the HDD purchase he found his HDD useless. A person who buys first (or jumps first and thinks later) and realizes after the avoidable mistakes they made are not the types of people I tend to trust to herald their fantasy vision of the future. Is digital the future? Sure, someday. Not today. I'm not saying Digital won't happen, it's obvious one day it will, but as a consumer I have a responsibility to vote with my dollars and take the best offering I have TODAY. It's not like we will have GOG, greenman gaming, humble, steam, origin, XBL, PSN, Nintendo, gamestop, best buy, walmart, target, and more all one console's digital store front driving prices down.
There is a huge, massive market worldwide of people that don't have the internet or don't have fast internet. The console companies that cater to this non-internet market stand to gain huge market share in the meantime. If Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo consoles went full digital, some other company would see a huge opportunity in bringing to the masses a non DD console. As far as DD games on console? Eventually the next console successor releases and boom, there is a great chance you lose the entire library of console DD games once the older console service goes down for the old machine. As a collector who can play the earliest games in my home all the way to current gen, supporting a future where I won't have access to my library a decade after the console releases? It's just awful and shortsighted to support such a vision. Of course companies want that, they stand to gain and get suckers to re-buy their games. Nintendo knows this. How many times have people bought the same Mario games on various platforms. Even looking at digital from Wii to Wii U...it's all shaky ground.
There is enough ammo I quoted below that saves me time.
@Gue1 said:
- big downloads
- slow internet speed
- sometimes lack of internet
- be forced to install the entire games
- HDD's have higher failure rate than discs
- discs last longer too
- failure of HDD means that I lose all my games and have to download them again
- got my PSN account hacked and Sony did not do shit. I lost all my digital games and a shit ton of money
**** the digital future. I'm going full pirate the moment that physical is no more.
@LegatoSkyheart said:
Because in a Digital Future there's a chance that we will get NO games.
We buy a game and decide well I need space on my hard drive to download another game, you delete the game.
OH BY THE WAY Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or Valve pulled that game from their services. Oh that's just fine I'll just redownload that game from my purchases....NEW TERMS AND POLICIES MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN'T JUST REDOWNLOAD THAT GAME, crap so what do?
Nothing, that game is lost, forever, in red tape bull crap marketing.
These are true for many download titles.
Turtles in Time Reshelled, Marvel vs Capcom (now Origins) 2 and 3, Fable 3 on Steam, Donkey Kong Country...and that's just to name a few.
A Digital Future insures us that we will not have access to games that we payed for. It gives companies more power and us the consumers less.
@davillain- said:
Because not everyone has Internet, not fast enough to download, and Physical Copy will always be around until the whole planet is connected to the Internet.
@spike6958 said:
If PS5 is digital only, I won't buy it. It's the same reason I don't game on PC. I want physical games, not digital, and I'm not going to let company's tell me otherwise.
@blueinheaven said:
I can see good and bad sides. Good, most of what you listed. Bad, they can and will charge what the hell they want for games that cost them much less to make. Already digital is more expensive than physical. There is no cure for corporate greed. Also, I won't be able to see my digital games on my shelf. I will print out little screen shots of the games and put them on the shelf instead. Because I am a fuckwit.
Is there a TL;DR to this Gettysburg Address? Its probably 'Moo I collect games I don't play!'
If you looked at my posts you'd realize that I love the digital stuff and I want more of it. I even suggested more ways to get more digital content on the Wii U eshop. If Nintendo went the route Sony is going and went all digital I wouldn't even have to worry about this. The entire library would be at my fingertips wherever I go and from any device. Nintendo is so far behind on this stuff though. Thank god Sony is considering it though.
Hmmm....I didn't discount your OP and entire thread by saying it's probably "Bah-ah-ah-ah, I buy digital because Nintendo is pushing it now more than ever."
I covered everything instead of playing Debate ping-pong quote chains over the course of days, but if you missed it or do not want to read my Gamingsburg Address (gaming freedom from digital slavery), @LegatoSkyheart has attempted to field the answers.
@Heirren said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
I'm actually looking forward to Playstation Now as a future for console gaming. I think we've reached a point in which we can't really get good enough hardware for the budget of £400 that shows serious progress. And we have to stay with these consoles for the next 8 years.
The only solution is to use a streaming service like PS Now and have companies like Sony and MS improve the technology on their end continually.
The PC obviously doesn't have this issue. I started out PC gaming with an overclocked GTX 750Ti. It's decent and quite capable. It's a great starter card. But that's okay on the PC, because I can upgrade when I'm ready and I plan to in about year.
I know I get involved in the whole SWs fanboy thing, but truthfully, I'm haven't really been impressed with the graphics this gen has produced, especially at 60fps.
You are looking forward to game streaming where the image quality can vary from second to second with random resolutions, artifacting, and input lag? For the amount of money the industry makes you'd think that it would be heading in a quality route. Nobody cares about quality anymore, and I'd maybe even say that people are blind to it when it is there. The lay person of tech today doesn't really see a difference between a bluray disc and a netflix stream. Supporting a game stream service is just the beginning of the end. That is when there'd be a complete lack of control how a product is bought.
Well the services are new and just getting started. By next gen (maybe 7 more years) I expect it to be vastly improved. And I don't think hardware consoles are the place for quality anymore. Right now, half the games don't look vastly better than the previous gen and the ones that do struggle at 30fps... After 8 years this is what they can give us. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of APUs for what they were meant to do, which was to improve performance of entry level computers, I was very excited by the idea when AMD introduced it. But not in consoles.
So yeah, unless they can find another solution for packing more performance within the budget they sell consoles for, I'm all for this as a future (obviously not right now, it's not ready).
In all areas, higher resolution becomes harder to appreciate. It's the same reason Super Audio CD and DVD audio didn't catch on and likely the reason 4K won't be a huge deal, not to mention with all of those you need to pay up the ass for an expensive system and to appreciate higher quality audio you need to start to consider some sort of room treatment. But that's digressing, people in general just want 'good enough' with those things. But streaming qaulity will improve by the time it's needed with Playstation Now and networks will have improved in general by then. I imagine you'll get 1080p HD on streaming services sooner rather than later, again especially as the network standards improve.
As far as I'm concerned it's already here. I haven't played or bought a physical game in over 3 years.
@jsmoke03 said:
because if your internet is down, then you cant play the game....
Is this true for consoles as well? Pretty sure there is no drm like that on PS4 and Xbone. Even on PC, as long as you signed in before, your internet can stop working but that won't interrupt your gaming.
@parkurtommo said:
@jsmoke03 said:
because if your internet is down, then you cant play the game....
Is this true for consoles as well? Pretty sure there is no drm like that on PS4 and Xbone. Even on PC, as long as you signed in before, your internet can stop working but that won't interrupt your gaming.
Its more fear mongering. In the digital future if your home internet goes out, you'll be able to go to your phone, connect a bluetooth controller and keep playing until internet comes back. People are still thinking that digital future consoles will be a plastic box filled with soon to be outdated hardware that cost billions to make and gets mocked constantly for being underpowered. The digital future console will be all around you, ready at all times and will be accessible through all sorts of devices.
@bunchanumbers said:
PS Now to non Sony devices
Isn't this great news? In the future you won't be able to go 5 feet without seeing the PlayStation logo! Sony will be on everyone's phone, tablet, tv, computer, even on other gaming systems. Sony will be an all emcompassing force that will envelope the world.
If this all works out even the next Playstation will be a cloud service! Here you go for proof.
Sony Exec doesn't know if PS5 will be physical or cloud based
isn't this great? Sony will be the winner because they will be on every device known to man! There won't be any more console sales to worry about. No more billions spent on hardware development. No more Disc Read Errors, Yellow Lights of Death, or Pulsating blue lights of death. No more console wobbling, or cheap plastic cracking. No more hardware limitations! We won't have to hear about how the PS4 is already outdated a year after launch. Or how the cpu is the bottleneck in Unity.
Its a new world where the only limitations will be the developer's minds, and where we don't have to give our money to rackets like Gamestop for crappy preorder bonuses.
The future is almost here! Its going to be a glorious change and will finally signal the coming of the next evolution in gaming.
So how come no one is excited for this?
PS Now going to non Sony devices is against one of SW biggest staples.....................exclusivity. So here, a place that in truth that means fucking nothing in regards to this industry, its bad. But forum and fanboy praise doesn't pay employees, the bills, and definitely doesn't eliminate billions in debt. They need Money, NOW. If PS5 is not physical I will LOL. So you want Sony PS to be like fucking Starbucks? No thank you. The Japanese govt is protecting fisherman that round up and kill dolphins, which are extremely high in mercury and sell the meat to their own population regardless of health and conservation efforts. No. I wont support a company that is from there, and doesn't answer requests to say hey this is fucked up.
It's funny, when I buy a Steam game, I'm like "oh that's cheap". But then the download size is around 10 gigs, which I then realise I don't have unlimited Internet, and each gb is about $1 - and I don't realise this until the purchase has already gone through, and I'm going through the download steps. So really the game was another $10, which is quite an annoying thing to consider every time I go to buy a digital game.
Mind you, I'm from a country which is behind with Internet technology. It's quite expensive compared to the rest of the 1st world.
Also, I'm definitely not keen on rental services like PS Now.
@HalcyonScarlet said:
I'm actually looking forward to Playstation Now as a future for console gaming. I think we've reached a point in which we can't really get good enough hardware for the budget of £400 that shows serious progress. And we have to stay with these consoles for the next 8 years.
The only solution is to use a streaming service like PS Now and have companies like Sony and MS improve the technology on their end continually.
The PC obviously doesn't have this issue. I started out PC gaming with an overclocked GTX 750Ti. It's decent and quite capable. It's a great starter card. But that's okay on the PC, because I can upgrade when I'm ready and I plan to in about year.
I know I get involved in the whole SWs fanboy thing, but truthfully, I'm haven't really been impressed with the graphics this gen has produced, especially at 60fps.
Beautifully said. This eliminates all limitations from hardware on the consumers end. It also saves billions on hardware development. We won't have to hear about 15 million consoles sold when PS5 will be on 300 million devices and climbing every day. We also won't have to hear about retailers trying to sell them for pocket change to eliminate over stock. If a single game takes off for them it could be billions on one game. Billions. What happens if a PlayStation 5 game is the next flappy bird, or angry birds, or candy crush? Sony won't have money problems anymore. PlayStation 5 could be the thing that saves Sony. I really don't know why people are so against this happening.
@bunchanumbers said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
I'm actually looking forward to Playstation Now as a future for console gaming. I think we've reached a point in which we can't really get good enough hardware for the budget of £400 that shows serious progress. And we have to stay with these consoles for the next 8 years.
The only solution is to use a streaming service like PS Now and have companies like Sony and MS improve the technology on their end continually.
The PC obviously doesn't have this issue. I started out PC gaming with an overclocked GTX 750Ti. It's decent and quite capable. It's a great starter card. But that's okay on the PC, because I can upgrade when I'm ready and I plan to in about year.
I know I get involved in the whole SWs fanboy thing, but truthfully, I'm haven't really been impressed with the graphics this gen has produced, especially at 60fps.
Beautifully said. This eliminates all limitations from hardware on the consumers end. It also saves billions on hardware development. We won't have to hear about 15 million consoles sold when PS5 will be on 300 million devices and climbing every day. We also won't have to hear about retailers trying to sell them for pocket change to eliminate over stock. If a single game takes off for them it could be billions on one game. Billions. What happens if a PlayStation 5 game is the next flappy bird, or angry birds, or candy crush? Sony won't have money problems anymore. PlayStation 5 could be the thing that saves Sony. I really don't know why people are so against this happening.
Exactly. And I just shudder to think we may get stuck with this hardware for the next 7 years. I wouldn't even mind if they used APU equivalents (in performance) in their servers if I knew that in a couple of years they might upgrade them, themselves.
I know that physical games are important, but it feels like they're starting to fade to me. I'm used to the digital way of the PC and games completely install and have huge download updates day one as it is, not to mention with the DLC and paywall online culture. Take The MCC for example, the base game on the disc is something like 45-50GBs, then there's the day one update which brings it to 65GBs and there's been maybe somewhere under 10GBs since then in patches, I think there was a 3GB one the otherday, but I think that adds new modes. So instead of me downloading all that shit, why don't we just stream it. It feels like we're more than halfway there anyway.
And Sony and MS are blatantly pushing for a digital future. This whole PS+ and GwG perks and all that is all to prepare you and entice you towards it, so it benefits them. No one would consider a DD future if they weren't already doing it using the perks they get. Sony and MS could see that they can't cold turkey push consumers that way, by the way they rejected the original X1 concept (at its unveiling), so I think they're slowly pushing and prodding consumers in that direction.
Well if this Christmas gives you any reason to doubt a digital future then nothing will. the fact hackers got in and stopped any online happening, is a worry and a reason why i'll never touch digital copies of games except from PS+ and a few ones i don't care if i have it or not.
My fears came true over this christmas period and my predictions right, an all digital future is so risky that it's not worth it, physical is the only way to be sure that you own and can play anything you want, it's great and all going all digital but what happens in 10 years time when you want to go back and play and find out they have shut down the servers and makes the game unplayable, not worth it in my eyes, and cloud gaming is a great idea but it will only work if there is absolutely no lag but no matter what you do there is always going to be lag and a downgrade until the internet is up for it.
@JangoWuzHere said:
@Gue1 said:
- be forced to install the entire games
- HDD's have higher failure rate than discs
- discs last longer too
You have to install all games to the hard drive even if you own the disk. A digital download can last forever, discs can be broke, stolen, and lost.
This be the truth like it or not. Plus if you want something it is there always at a click of a controller unless it gets hacked and shut down like it has. there is no wining
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