Why can't gamers accept the Xbox One X is a good console?

I always thought the PS4 made people forget about this trend. It was a total fluke that the most powerful console at the time also sold the most. I think it's fitting that the xbox one x remove that title from the PS4 that once again, weaker sells most.

With Switch on its heels though, once again power will prove to be the least important factor to console consumers.

What is it with PC gamers? Don't they understand that plenty of people pay for others to do the thing for you. That includes making a more powerful console, making me burgers n fries, and flying a plane for me. Okay the last one is nuts haha but I made my point.

@Bread_or_Decide: Xbox had basically nothing this year except an indie game, Cuphead (still good, but a side scroller isn't gonna cut it). Another Forza and Halo wars... It's been 4 years and Xbox hasn't put out a must have game(maybe Forza horizon if you're into that type of game). They should have been flowing with exclusives this year like PS4 did. Even next year looks blah. Maybe at E3 they'll show something new. Haven't heard any news on Halo 6... That should be a X seller. People hate on Sony for announcing games early, but it shows games are coming. MS might need to use this tactic. If crackdown 3 or sea of theives aren't extremely well received, what else does Xbox have next year?(That's not on other consoles). Exclusives matter. If I could get Zelda and Mario on my Pro, I wouldn't even consider getting a Switch. Don't care for portability. I had a Vita and didn't care to play on a small screen. But I'll eventually get a Switch for those two games alone, plus others I know are coming. As I said before, MS almost all but eliminated the PC group that buys consoles because they have to for exclusives. MS needs to stop wasting money on 3rd party games and devs and make some new studios. Plenty of talent out there.

Never said I was. I'm simply just a gamer. (Well okay, a PC gamer really)

I will accept that the Xbox ONE X is a great console for 1080p gaming, and I will accept that it is the most powerful console on the market. I will however not accept that:

- It performs on par with a PC that has a GTX 1070

- That its a "proper" 4k system

- That it is in any particular way an "impressive" machine.

Because all those claims are rubbish. There is absolutely nothing advanced about the Xbox ONE X.

Yes, exclusives matter. And no one can deny the xbox one has had a pretty rough time of it. Their own fault, of course. Switch stole Sony's technique of announcing games early and yeah it friggin works. Microsoft needs to stop being so hard headed. Who cares if it's a trick and kinda scummy, it works, do it. The one X should have launched with a killer app (hell even the NEW 3DS has an exclusive title you can't play on the other models so it wouldn't have been the end of the world to launch a game exclusive to the one X model.) But yeah, I agree with everything you said. The one X should have done for Microsoft what the Switch did for Nintendo. But alas, the captain running that ship is drunk off his ass. Get it together, Microsoft! Three companies are better than two!

Come on now, compared to other consoles it is advanced. You gotta remove PC's from the equation. Console v Console.

And there are games that have 4K textures and run at 1440P 60FPS. Sure, it's just one, but that's not nothing.

Its a matter of bad consumerism that pushes the game industry in a direction that actually hurts or fails us. Everything from micro-transactions to the unnecessary pimp that is xboxlive/psn to consoles now not even giving us something new, just making low to mid grade gaming PCs for a higher cost with virtually none of the benefits but the same problems pc dealt with 10-15 years ago.

As for your second sentence, its 2017, you can buy a cheaply built gaming pc anywhere. Most people know at least one person who can build one. If you're not a moron, you can buy a pre-built at walmart and a video card, slide the video card in the only slot it will go in and have one. And the result is a cheaper cost with more options on a platform that is more powerful and that actually pushes creativity and something new or at least different. With the added bonus of being able to use this device for the other... 25% of your modern life.

I said cows are not gamers, you said "except me" implying you are in fact a cow :P

@jtothamtothap: That was a trick question XD

Let's face it, the majority of consumers are morons. That's like me going around pissed off that more people don't read Faulkner. You're not wrong, but your expectations can be.

Yah, people are generally bad consumers but that is the reason why the games industry sucks outside of pc gaming right now. I have no problems buying consoles if they give me something worth a shit and the 8th generation + (whatever the + is) has not given me a single valid reason to buy them and even worse, its like they don't want my money with the bullshit they are pushing now because of other dumb/bad consumers of consoles.

Quite happy with my X and I have bashed MS for the whole gen :D

The only people that dont accept it are hermits just trying to lord their superiority (which is obvious and shouldnt be a part of a console discussion to begin with) and Sony fanboys trying to downplay the fact its better than the Pro by a huge margin, especially after talking so much crap about how superior the PS4 was powerwise for the first two years of this gen.

Anyone that actually has one and actually seen the difference between the OG Xbox One and the X1X knows its almost a generational leap in comparison. Definitely worth the money. MS should have released this console in the first place at the beginning of the gen.

Its cool to hate Xbox this gen, so its a lot easier for people to try to continue the bashing than admit MS did something good with the X1X.

For a console I feel I got more than my money's worth from the X1X. I dont care about bleeding edge tech in a console or if MS PR propaganda isnt 'true'. Most of the 4K stuff is really just a fringe benefit. The detractors think that Xbox fans dont understand what its capable and love to hate it when it doesnt reach unrealistic expectations. Nevermind the fact that its still leagues ahead of the competition on multiple aspects.

System wars is basically a BS subjective topic. Typical nonsense conjecture around here is Xbox has no games, but I have like 300 games on my Xbox and a backlog thats getting bigger with all these good sales. Could it use more exclusives? Sure I suppose. But I personally dont care if a game is exclusive or not. Mostly Sony fanboys do because thats what they love most about the PS4. But I have a feeling most of the main trolls around here dont even really even play half the games they are always bragging up so thats kind of moot anyway.

Play what you like. I know I do.

This. Consoles are only as good as the library that they have. If the X1X starts getting loads of exclusives like the PS4 and Switch had this year, then I would imagine it would soar in popularity. If all the console has is "SUPER AMAZING HOLY SHIT PERFORMANCE" but no games, then what are people supposed to use it for?

£450 for a console that is slightly better than the PS4 Pro which is also a let down?

Paying £450 the highest priced console by a landslide EVER only being marginally better is great how?

Paying £450 in the last 1-2 years before the next console cycle is great how?

No exclusives worth the cost?

1080 GTX can be bought for that... and will offer much better performance.

The Xbox One X is not only a good console it is a GREAT console and it was the best 500 dollars I have spent in a while. The Pro and Switch are also great consoles. I will just say it is a GREAT time to be a console gamer and I am super excited to see what is coming next. Thank you Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo you all have been doing a great job for the industry that I love!

It's a great console.

Just doesn't offer me anything better than what I already have, which is the case for a lot of people.

The rest are just salty fanboys, nothing new.

It's a very powerful console.

MS screwed up with the start of the Xbox One gen at E3 and even to this day the hate is strong, but it's a powerful console for it's price point, and it's convenient. And yeah, it outperforms multiplatform games over Sony but has no exclusives that it doesn't share with PC. Personally, I love that it shares the games with PC so i wouldn't consider that a knock on the Xbox brand. There are still a lot of games you can play on Xbox/PC that you can't on Sony or Nintendo's platforms, and lets face it, MS wants you to buy their operating system and software, not their hardware as much. You buy a PC with Windows, or an Xbox One (with Windows) and some of the games they have stakes in, they win no matter what. Hate away, but they are doing just fine between the two platforms.

How is it not true? Did the X1X CPU get replaced with a better CPU that is not shit and a bottleneck? Did any console magically gain the ability to play all games properly at 60fps or higher? Did Microsoft not tout the X1X as a premium product? In reality it is a shit 30fps box. Nothing premium about that.

This^^

@Starshine_M2A2: Are you having a stroke? Xbox tends to make salt levels high when defending it I guess. Must be all the lying.

because it sucks lol PC gaming sucks too lol And i can afford both if I wanted. So its not bias.

You obviously fail to understand the definition of bias.

Microsoft had the same 4 years of this gen that Sony had, how much more patience should we have for them than we had for Sony?

It’s a powerful console for its price the XboneX is. Problem is the original OG Xbone was a piece of shit and initial impressions stick with most people. Couple that with the fact it almost has no true exclusives and the ones it shares with PCs aren’t as exciting as Sony and Nintendo’s exclusives and you have a recipe for disaster. I think more people would give MS a chance if they released more interesting exclusives and took more risks on new IPs like Sony does. Instead MS is doubling down on sequels and Games as a Service bullshit that multiplatform games do a lot better at.

MS seem to think people want more powerful hardware when the truth is people want better games and a reason to own an Xbone. What use is power when your entire 2018 lineup is a total joke compared to your competition’s? You need epic exclusives to take advantage of the power and drive people’s imaginations wild.

Console gamers have never really cared much about power anyways they’ve always cared more about games and affordability. This gen was one of the few exceptions where the most powerful console won and it’s because MS screwed up so badly at the beginning of the gen. The people that are a lot about power game on PCs and that’s why this whole MS charge for power at the expense of games is even more baffling.

Why is there a limit? I mean the xbox did have exclusives, but no one cared and they were discarded. I think 2016 is their absolute worst year. At least they had gears 4 and halo 5 before that. Again, I realize that for some reason those don't count or no one cares, but they do exist. It's not like nothing has happened in the same time frame.

Funny too cause the original xbox was a powerhouse and undersold. While the 360 was weaker than the PS3 and ruled the roost for quite some time before sony caught up.

My unbiased opinion agrees.

Unbiased.... ROFLMAO!

That's pretty funny. So we should never criticize Microsoft because maybe, in 30 years, they might release an exclusive for the Xbox One? It's also pretty amusing that you couldn't even name two Xbox One exclusives (Gears 4 is not exclusive). Sunset Overdrive is another, but after that it gets pretty weak. There were a few Forzas, but the lastest and greatest are multiplatform. You had no problem naming more for PS4 for the same time frame (and even missed quite a few), yet called that bad, yet we shouldn't criticize MS for doing worse?

If I was a Hermit, I stick to PC only. I'm no Hermit, but I am pro on PC but I also game on consoles as well. No way I'm missing out on good exclusive games.

As if I hide behind my PC lol. Don't be so silly, I had a PC long before the rise of PS4/Xbox One and my high-rig smokes over Pro/Xbox One X.

This thread is hilarious. Think about the NES, SNES, Genesis, and PS1. None of us really talk about how powerful or elegant those systems were. We talk about their games. Hell, we worship them for the games they played. So much so, many companies re-package or revamp games from that era on many systems to sell them all over again. Many of us have been trying to say "exclusives matter" and I would go so far as to say that exclusives define a system. There is a reason why the system with the highest specs is not always the biggest selling console.

Yet, here we are, again. A familiar space. The "mystified XBox fan wants to know why their powerful console isn't liked" thread #438793873217. Why ask questions you already know the answer to? The Scorpio just isn't a good console. You're grading it on a scale that no one has or will actually grade it on. Yes, it objectively is the most powerful console. Yes, it is objectively sleeker and more sophisticated. The problem is, you're asking us why we don't think it is 'good' or 'better'. Frankly, reductive reasoning about power making a console better is just as silly as saying a car is better for having more than four wheels. Who decides this criteria? Why shouldn't we tell them they are stupid?

Lemmings like him think people hide behind PCs because they can’t afford good/decent PCs. They just don’t understand how popular and huge PC gaming is. There are so many advantages to owning a gaming PC that you’d have to be a joker/noob to completely ignore it. PS4 is my preferred console but I’ve always had a gaming PC long before these consoles were even thought of because PC gaming is awesome. Who doesn’t like running mods or playing games at their best settings? The only thing consoles have over PCs is price and exclusives IMO. Which is why I find the Xbone to be redundant since it has no real exclsuives of its own and it’s trying to pivot itself as a place to go for power when PCs already provide much more power.

The Xbox One X is a great console and anyone that doesn't see that is a Hater! The Most powerful console ever made and only butthurt fanboys have to compare to to PCs that cost many times more than it. So you can have a few more frames and a bit higher resolution, who cares about that isn't that what the Sony fanboys say? The 1X is a bargin for what all it's features does. The only negative thing is it's CPU but for gaming it's the best MS and AMD could do for the cost. You don't need a rysen for only gaming and it would have made the console cost a lot higher. So the biggest thing is it's lack of exclusives but something tells me even if MS stops porting it's games to the PC today, the haters would find another excuse to bash it.

@xhawk27: Like most people on this thread have said, porting their games to PC is not their only problem. They also have a mediocre selection of games. Tired franchises like Halo, Gears, and Forza. Halo and Forza started out on the OG Xbox and Gears started out on the 360. Since that time MS hasn’t created a single widely acclaimed franchise on the Xbone and you’re wondering why people think the Xbone is a piece of shit.

Games sell consoles not specs. If MS starts creating some worthwhile franchises on Xbone there’s no doubt in my mind the hatred for Xbone would go down. You can’t be telling people to buy your new $500 console to play games that already are on another platform and run better there. The people that care about running multiplats at their best most likely own a PC so it makes you wonder who MS is trying to sell XboneX to.

They wanna be the very best. Like no one ever was.

Yep, I love my PS4 because it's my main console for exclusive games, Blu-Ray player, and media streaming all-in-one on my wide HDTV. PC/PS4 is the best combo to ever do this gen. Switch is just a nice edition and playing MS games on PC has always been a bonus.

Consoles great, it's just an easy target since it mostly relies on third party games and few exclusives. Doesn't mean it's bad, just means kids have a field day with that knowledge

Rubbish games.

I mean even if you are a powerful console, you still need games to run. MS really didnt fix the problem of why nobody wants a xbone

Bingo! Lied about "true 4K" when it does checkerboard like the Pro, lied about 60fps when all the games are 30fps, lied about the best graphics when games look no better and most have screen tear, and lied about the most powerful console when the CPU is trash. The 4K Blu Ray player is a trash one too and nothing on the X looks as good as Uncharted, GOW or Horizon: Zero Dawn despite 6-TFLOPS LOL. Anymore questions?

And still no exclusives.

Please shut the heck up already. PS4 destroys Xbox when it comes to exclusives. Stop bringing up the pat. Bloodborne was better than any game that MS had since Gears of War way back in 2006. So was The Last of Us, Uncharted, Infamous Second Son, Until Dawn, Beyond 2 Souls and Puppeteer. LOL. I love how you fanboys love to cherry pick and move the goal posts. Only thing Xbox One had at launch was Forza. Nothing else mattered as everything flopped. Even Gears and Halo didn't sell that much this generation. You can not win this battle kid so let it go. Bloodborne is worth more than all the games MS own combined quality wise LOL. The Last of Us Remastered and Uncharted the Nathan Drake collection both outsold Halo The Master Chief Collection. MS biggest franchise couldn't sell the Xbox One ROFL. Stop already or I will destroy you more. You cock roaches will be crushed. After November NPD you have nothing to talk crap about. You lost.

Bingo! Lied about "true 4K" when it does checkerboard like the Pro, lied about 60fps when all the games are 30fps, lied about the best graphics when games look no better and most have screen tear, and lied about the most powerful console when the CPU is trash. Anymore questions?

And still no exclusives.

performance is a bit better than PS4 pro but the price is a lot more...almost double

lack of exclusives

Those are the issues for me

Xbox one X is one of if not the best console to get if its your only console and you don't have a gaming pc.

And 4K 60fps is true. As is the performance of the GTX 1070 being matched and is even being exceeded:

Wolfenstein 2 2008-2160p 60fps -exceeds GTX 1070

Forza 7: 2160p 60fps -exceeds ultra PC

Halo 5 1800-2160p 60fps

Titanfall 2 1800-3400p 60fps

Battlefront 2 1800-2160p 60fps - exceeds GTX 1070

Gears of War 4 - 2160p 30fps - exceeds PC ultra

Shadow of War 1800-2160p 30fps - Exceeds GTX 1070 at same settings

Assassins Creed Origins 1800-2160p 30fps- exceeds GTX 1070 levels after 12-12-2017 patch for its 12gb GDDR5 platform

Hitman 60fps 1440p, 30fps 4k -exceeds GTX 1070 performance (yes at same settings)

ETC and more coming..

That's one heck of a list of good games that I didnt play yet that I now can on the X. It's a console, it won't have PC's flexibility of tweaking settings or it doesnt have the CPU to back up the framerate. But it sure does run games incredibly beautiful and yes even at 4K 60fps depending on the title. Bro's, a console pulling high settings with ultra textures at 4K 60fps, or 1800p 60fps (which is very close and highly respectble). A console...

The X launched with around 100 enhanced titles, with even old games running at better fps, 4k and 16x AF (so all BC games look sharper). BC games will continued to be added.

If you like playing your older collection, the X is the best console. If you like Multiplatform games the X is the best console. If you like the best performance the X is the best console. If you like UHD blu ray entertainment the X is the best console. If you like graphics the X is a way better budget than a gaming pc for the same price. The X is pumping out mostly 2x the pixels of the PS4 pro and gained 40% cpu power, 460% gpu power and 250% more ram bandwith compared to the OG Xbox One. That's next gen gains folks. It runs at 4x the resolution of the Xbox one X with better framerates and almost twice as good looking assets. That smells like Next gen again folks.

Lastly, let's not forget what Microsoft has done to the status of multiplatforms that were all Playstation exclusive before and that are playable on the Xbox one family consoles. Metal Gear, Devil May Cry, Demon Souls, Red Dead Redemption, L.A. Noire, Final Fantasy and the list can go on. The Xbox welcomes multiplatform support. Sure the PS family has a ton of JRPG's and first party games that have amazing story based single player experiences. But the X has over 1300 games playable, with over 130 enhanced and growing, with a growing BC list that adds even 4K resolutions to classics like Ninja Gaiden, Kotor, Halo 3 & Assassins Creed for starters. The shooters are fantastic in multiplayer, the racing games are the definitive industry leading examples, the indie games are growing and the arcade has too many twin stick shooters and sidescrollers like Ori that are unforgettable.

The Xbox one X has made a statement. It can perform in the high end sector with 10bit added into the mix. This console is promoting RAW power again, with the love for old games. Dang, Microsoft sure loves games. They support them even if they are 15 years old. Now that's love for the medium, not just making money of a temporary product which fades after one year. No, Microsoft is fucking supporting devs to upgrade their old games. How can you not have respect for such a work ethic?They organised a whole professional team to target BC. Microsoft doesn't want exclusivity. I hope MS and Nintendo team up. It would be a beautiful sight. Peace.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Xbox One X is nowhere near 1070 in games. All demanding One X games run dynamic resolution + upscaling to mainstain fps with lower quality settings than PC is capable of. Especially view distance is low (because it's CPU demanding and the CPU in current gen consoles are very poor)

AC Origins hit as low as 15 fps on One X (go see Gamers Nexus test lol). Terrible performance and image quality is much worse than PC on high settings.

@LasDK: 12-12-2017 patch origins. Check benchmarks for GTX 1070 on high for all mentioned games. Check I said 1800-2160p which indicated dynamic scaling (check DifitalFoundry for asset comparisons as well). Check the rest of my comment. Stop cherry picking please and start doing your own research before you jump to conclusions.

15fps LOL. Almost as cinematic as the 12fps in PUBG.