Why can't Sonic get a reboot like Donkey Kong Country Returns or Rayman Origins?

Well Generation's is just taking the look of the old levels, it's not as if the layout is the same (atleast I think)

Honestly I could live with them making Generations into its own trilogy or something, there are tons of old levels I'd love to see get the remake treatment

AsadMahdi59

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[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]Current gen hardware is incapable of Blast Processing, simple as that.millerlight89

Current gen hardwarecan handle speeds that blast processing can't handle because sonic runs faster in sonic unleashed(HD version) then in the classsics. The current gen hardware just may mess with classic sonic's physics a little bit,but I'm not sure if this true.

I already know that. I jjust learned that yesterday.

sonic generations says hi...its awesome.

It would make too much sense. Sonic needs a structure change yes but it certainly needs to be 2D and purely 2D. It cannot be Sonic as we know it in 3D. Nothing wrong with a change but a true sonic reboot would set the roof on fire.

It would make too much sense. Sonic needs a structure change yes but it certainly needs to be 2D and purely 2D. It cannot be Sonic as we know it in 3D. Nothing wrong with a change but a true sonic reboot would set the roof on fire.

ActicEdge

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It would make too much sense. Sonic needs a structure change yes but it certainly needs to be 2D and purely 2D. It cannot be Sonic as we know it in 3D. Nothing wrong with a change but a true sonic reboot would set the roof on fire.

burgeg

3D Sonic games suck. Oh noes, opinions vary!!!11!! The added crap to 3D sonic games is to make them longer because the core of just sonic is flawed as hell and not sustainable for a full game. I have played most of the recent sonic games. Skipped unleashed and will play Colours after I play all of Kirby's Epic Yarn. 3D Sonic is not comparable to 2D sonic. They aren't even in the same realm of comparability.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It would make too much sense. Sonic needs a structure change yes but it certainly needs to be 2D and purely 2D. It cannot be Sonic as we know it in 3D. Nothing wrong with a change but a true sonic reboot would set the roof on fire.

ActicEdge

3D Sonic games suck. Oh noes, opinions vary!!!11!! The added crap to 3D sonic games is to make them longer because the core of just sonic is flawed as hell and not sustainable for a full game. I have played most of the recent sonic games. Skipped unleashed and will play Colours after I play all of Kirby's Epic Yarn. 3D Sonic is not comparable to 2D sonic. They aren't even in the same realm of comparability.

Oh and by the way, you just admitted you've played neither Unleashed or Colours. The two games that prove Sonic is great fun in 3D. So basically the last modern main series game you played was 06? Yeah, it's totally fair to say the 3D games suck based on 06 and before. Yeah right. Unleashed daytime plays just as well as Rush. Better even. Colours is better than any 2D Sonic of the past decade. By the way Secret Rings and Black Knight are completely different types of Sonic games and aren't a part of the main series. They suck and should not be considered at all if you're judging 3D Sonic games. They were nothing but experimental crappy side games. I'm sure the third storybook game wont exactly be great either. Those are not examples of why Sonic doesn't work in 3D. They're examples of crappy side games.

Oh and for the record, the modern gameplay in Generations looks WAY better than the classic gameplay. 3D Sonic cant be better than 2D Sonic my ass. Just watch the modern levels in Generations destroy the classic levels when the game comes out.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It would make too much sense. Sonic needs a structure change yes but it certainly needs to be 2D and purely 2D. It cannot be Sonic as we know it in 3D. Nothing wrong with a change but a true sonic reboot would set the roof on fire.

burgeg

Although I do think Sonic can work well in 3D (Colors proved this, and Unleashed, despite being a crap game overall, had good daytime stages), I'd have to seriously disagree with the notion that it works just in well in 3D as it does in 2D.

Colors was lots of fun, but it just doesn't have the same level of poish as the 2D games.

Because Sonic needs to die... asap.

Sega should just pay these guys to make a Sonic game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCFmKjqmk0

Sonic 4 is a joke. It has bad graphics and terrible controls / physics. It's like, every time Sega hears people say Sonic games suck now, they always shout "look, we fixed it!" and then they find a new way to make it suck at the same time. They need to stop trying to Fix Sonic at the corporate level. Just give the franchise to a fresh developer and leave them alone, undisturbed, and see what they come up with.

No. They added crap to 3D Sonic games to make them longer, yes. But not because the core sonic gameplay is flawed or unsustainable for a full game. Simply so the game would be a good length. That's why. Look at Colours. It's the only 3D Sonic game to not artificially lengthen the game with crap. You know how long that game is? About 4 hours long. If that. Levels in Sonic games are massive with all the different possible routes and the speed the game plays at means these big levels go by really quickly. Sonic Team realised this long ago and that's why they added crap to make the game longer. It wasn't until the abysmal reception of Unleashed that Sonic Team woke up and realised people would rather play a really short but consistently fun game with great replay value than an inconsistent but long mess of a game. Then Colours happened. We were happy.burgeg

Can't disagree with any of that. The Sonic levels in Adventure 1/2 were not nearly as good as 2D level designs, but a game full of them would have been great and would probably still hold up. It's all that unfun filler in those games that bring them down so much.

I'm sure the third storybook game wont exactly be great either. Those are not examples of why Sonic doesn't work in 3D. They're examples of crappy side games.burgeg

I hope the 3rd storybook game will be good (since I like the storybook concept), but I doubt it. They should just make a storybook game that controls like Colors rather than Secret Rings.

Oh and for the record, the modern gameplay in Generations looks WAY better than the classic gameplay. 3D Sonic cant be better than 2D Sonic my ass. Just watch the modern levels in Generations destroy the classic levels when the game comes out.

burgeg

Even if it does, that doesn't neccesarily mean that Sonic doesn't work better in 2D for the most part.

I mean, the Colors levels were alot better than Sonic 4's levels, but that's just because they put more effort into Colors.

If the modern Generations levels are better than the classic levels, I'd just assume that they put more effort into them. I still think Sonic games are just generally more polished and more well-designed in 2D.

Sega should just pay these guys to make a Sonic game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCFmKjqmk0

Sonic 4 is a joke. It has bad graphics and terrible controls / physics. It's like, every time Sega hears people say Sonic games suck now, they always shout "look, we fixed it!" and then they find a new way to make it suck at the same time. They need to stop trying to Fix Sonic at the corporate level. Just give the franchise to a fresh developer and leave them alone, undisturbed, and see what they come up with.

Timstuff

This it was total awesome....from where we can get this.? This is what Sonic 4 Should Have Been Like.

I must agree with you that the controls and physics in sonic 4 are bad.......they don't feel like the old good sonic games(Sonic1,2,3)

Played Sonic Generations demo, and it's surprisingly very good.

Because sega knows it can milk its sonic fanboys with garbage game after garbage game. Why make a good game when the fanboys will buy any crap you put out ?Sp4rtan_3

And yet, the handheld Sonic titles and Colors were excellent games that were well-received by both critics and fans. I'll be the first to admit that Sonic has been in some crappy games, but it seems like Sega is finally turning a corner when it comes to the quality of Sonic games. Unleashed despite its flaws showed promise with its daytime stages, and Colors refined that gameplay further to produce a well-received game that finally broke the Sonic Cycle.

While there is the possibility that Sonic could fall off the deep end again, I think the Sonic series is going up. Colors was well-received and Generations looks very promising. And even Sonic 4 EP2 can't be counted out since there is the chance that many of the flaws of EP1 will be fixed.

I'm sorry, but the argument that Sonic produces only garbage games was never valid with the handheld games and it weakening with the success of SOnic Colors and the promising look of Generations so far.

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Because sega knows it can milk its sonic fanboys with garbage game after garbage game. Why make a good game when the fanboys will buy any crap you put out ?caryslan2

And yet, the handheld Sonic titles and Colors were excellent games that were well-received by both critics and fans. I'll be the first to admit that Sonic has been in some crappy games, but it seems like Sega is finally turning a corner when it comes to the quality of Sonic games. Unleashed despite its flaws showed promise with its daytime stages, and Colors refined that gameplay further to produce a well-received game that finally broke the Sonic Cycle.

While there is the possibility that Sonic could fall off the deep end again, I think the Sonic series is going up. Colors was well-received and Generations looks very promising. And even Sonic 4 EP2 can't be counted out since there is the chance that many of the flaws of EP1 will be fixed.

I'm sorry, but the argument that Sonic produces only garbage games was never valid with the handheld games and it weakening with the success of SOnic Colors and the promising look of Generations so far.

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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Because sega knows it can milk its sonic fanboys with garbage game after garbage game. Why make a good game when the fanboys will buy any crap you put out ?JigglyWiggly_

And yet, the handheld Sonic titles and Colors were excellent games that were well-received by both critics and fans. I'll be the first to admit that Sonic has been in some crappy games, but it seems like Sega is finally turning a corner when it comes to the quality of Sonic games. Unleashed despite its flaws showed promise with its daytime stages, and Colors refined that gameplay further to produce a well-received game that finally broke the Sonic Cycle.

While there is the possibility that Sonic could fall off the deep end again, I think the Sonic series is going up. Colors was well-received and Generations looks very promising. And even Sonic 4 EP2 can't be counted out since there is the chance that many of the flaws of EP1 will be fixed.

I'm sorry, but the argument that Sonic produces only garbage games was never valid with the handheld games and it weakening with the success of SOnic Colors and the promising look of Generations so far.

I've had the misfortune of playing some of them. While I never got to play the crown jewel of crappy games that was Sonic 2006, I did play Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic and the Black Knight.

To be honest, I would have ditched Sonic completely if it weren't for the fact that the Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush games were good.

[QUOTE="Moon__Light"]Sonic isnt relevant anymore...Sega should stop making Sonic games as its getting embarrassing. Sonic 1 and 2 is all we need.super600

Lol What! Have you played any of the recent sonic games like Sonic Colours?

I've played sonic colors. I wouldn't consider it a good game.

Been way to much focus on the Sonic only stuff. Really geting old at this point.

Just would like a classic Sonic game with Sonic, Tails and Knuckles playable. Not just a different color or verison of Sonic...

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Sonic isnt relevant anymore...Sega should stop making Sonic games as its getting embarrassing. Sonic 1 and 2 is all we need.Moon__Light

Lol What! Have you played any of the recent sonic games like Sonic Colours?

I've played sonic colors. I wouldn't consider it a good game.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="caryslan2"]

And yet, the handheld Sonic titles and Colors were excellent games that were well-received by both critics and fans. I'll be the first to admit that Sonic has been in some crappy games, but it seems like Sega is finally turning a corner when it comes to the quality of Sonic games. Unleashed despite its flaws showed promise with its daytime stages, and Colors refined that gameplay further to produce a well-received game that finally broke the Sonic Cycle.

While there is the possibility that Sonic could fall off the deep end again, I think the Sonic series is going up. Colors was well-received and Generations looks very promising. And even Sonic 4 EP2 can't be counted out since there is the chance that many of the flaws of EP1 will be fixed.

I'm sorry, but the argument that Sonic produces only garbage games was never valid with the handheld games and it weakening with the success of SOnic Colors and the promising look of Generations so far.

caryslan2

I've had the misfortune of playing some of them. While I never got to play the crown jewel of crappy games that was Sonic 2006, I did play Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic and the Black Knight.

To be honest, I would have ditched Sonic completely if it weren't for the fact that the Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush games were good.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

Sega should just pay these guys to make a Sonic game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCFmKjqmk0

Sonic 4 is a joke. It has bad graphics and terrible controls / physics. It's like, every time Sega hears people say Sonic games suck now, they always shout "look, we fixed it!" and then they find a new way to make it suck at the same time. They need to stop trying to Fix Sonic at the corporate level. Just give the franchise to a fresh developer and leave them alone, undisturbed, and see what they come up with.

AtariKidX

This it was total awesome....from where we can get this.? This is what Sonic 4 Should Have Been Like.

I must agree with you that the controls and physics in sonic 4 are bad.......they don't feel like the old good sonic games(Sonic1,2,3)

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[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

Sega should just pay these guys to make a Sonic game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCFmKjqmk0

Sonic 4 is a joke. It has bad graphics and terrible controls / physics. It's like, every time Sega hears people say Sonic games suck now, they always shout "look, we fixed it!" and then they find a new way to make it suck at the same time. They need to stop trying to Fix Sonic at the corporate level. Just give the franchise to a fresh developer and leave them alone, undisturbed, and see what they come up with.

Timstuff

This it was total awesome....from where we can get this.? This is what Sonic 4 Should Have Been Like.

I must agree with you that the controls and physics in sonic 4 are bad.......they don't feel like the old good sonic games(Sonic1,2,3)

Played Sonic Generations demo, and it's surprisingly very good.

93BlackHawk93

well sonic has never been good in the first place..so its hard to expect anything good from team soniccampzor

well sonic has never been good in the first place..so its hard to expect anything good from team soniccampzor

I disagree wholeheartedly. I think the main Genesis games (not including stuff like 3D blast) consistenly display exemplary platforming game design and were extremely unique back in the day.

Sonic isnt relevant anymore...Sega should stop making Sonic games as its getting embarrassing. Sonic 1 and 2 is all we need.Moon__Light

Sonic colours and Generations says hi :P its still very relevant and both those are fun sonic games so is 4 to an extent but it wasnt the same but generations seems to be adressing some of the issues gripes like us old folks have bout new sonic.

well sonic has never been good in the first place..so its hard to expect anything good from team soniccampzor

play Sonic 2 or 3 and come back saying that with a straight face unless your like 13.

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Played Sonic Generations demo, and it's surprisingly very good.

Nintendo_Ownes7

[QUOTE="campzor"]well sonic has never been good in the first place..so its hard to expect anything good from team sonicrazgriz_101

play Sonic 2 or 3 and come back saying that with a straight face unless your like 13.

well sonic has never been good in the first place..so its hard to expect anything good from team sonic

not only did i play them when i was 5-7 (1994-96) but i recently played them again in the sega megadrive collection last year for the ps3...

doesnt even compare to donkey kong country series..yet alone the mario games.

To be honest, SEGA can't win. They have fans and gamers telling them they want a return to classic gameplay and a re-make of classic levels such as Green Hill, so they do that, and then they get people complaining that they've copied the levels and need something more original. Personally I'm happy with Sonic Generations and I'm really looking forward to it. The levels won't be a complete carbon copy, especially for older levels in 3D and vice versa. City Escape in 2D looks awesome.GammaTru

I can't wait for Crisis City. It'll really highlight how much Sega and ST has learnt since '06.

And Yeah, since this thread is still up, i'm going to say it again. Sonic does not need a reboot.

I don't get it...has NO ONE played the DS Sonic Games? It's classic old school sonic. There it is...go get it...it's not THAT friggin great. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I don't get it...has NO ONE played the DS Sonic Games? It's classic old school sonic. There it is...go get it...it's not THAT friggin great. campzor

[QUOTE="Moon__Light"]Sonic isnt relevant anymore...Sega should stop making Sonic games as its getting embarrassing. Sonic 1 and 2 is all we need.super600

Lol What! Have you played any of the recent sonic games like Sonic Colours?

if nintendo does it, it will be goodAmin_and_Azizah

I don't think that wouldbe sucha good idea.

well sonic has never been good in the first place..so its hard to expect anything good from team soniccampzor

I don't get it...has NO ONE played the DS Sonic Games? It's classic old school sonic. There it is...go get it...it's not THAT friggin great. Bread_or_Decide

No it's not. There's a huge difference, not just in quality. It's not classic old school sonic, not by a long shot.

Generations is promising. Demo had its flaws but people seem to forget it's a DEMO. A dated demo which was an older build than the E3 build, for crying out loud. They can fix some of the issues, since they seem to be trying really hard. Just fix the camera (particularly the zoom) a bit, fix the rolling physics so you actually gain speed when curling up, fix the vertical leap momentum when jumping on springs or badniks or monitors (Like the old games where depending on how hard you land you'd have higher leap, and when jumping on a spring if you had momentum built up you could still move to the left or right, unlike the demo which did not allow this), and a few other minor problems and it'll be the best 3D Sonic game ever.

I still wish they would bring in more platforming elements like Adventure 1 had. That is IMO the only 3D Sonic that actually captures the Genesis magic in 3D... well, I wouldn't say just right but a lot better than every other game after that..

Also, I never realize how bad the Sonic hate bandwagon is in GS. Wonder how many of them have actually played any Sonic game, or at least the Classic games. Yes, I'm a classic sonic fanboy, I can't help it. I'm still hyped for Generations.