Why did you skip out on the Wii U?

Let's see...

LBP (2008):

Super Mario Maker (2015:)

Define "definitive" because I see the scores as about the same, and the games are 7 years apart. I say it's franchise preference (although LBP offers more content than just a level editor and creator)

@jcrame10: The scores are the same, but the standards in 2015 are far different than the standards in 2007. Mario Maker is an easier to use, far more accessible and intuitive level creator that benefits from a great input mechanic (the Wii U's touch screen), and some actual, good, honest to goodness platforming mechanics, with a whole four sets that you can swap out between. In return, what you can actually create with SMM is far more limited than LBP.

LBP is far more accomplished as a level creator tool than Mario Maker, I'd be foolish to deny that. But the actual platforming sucks, and the creation UI is nowhere near as seamless as the one in SMM. In the end, actual platforming mechanics trump everything for me when it comes to a platformer, and that's why SMM wins.

Speaking of irony, I tend to identify with this entire post. For one, I've been on the lookout for a boxed VB in good condition at a good price and one day will accomplish that search as it is the only readily available Nintendo release, here in the states, I have missed. Two, like I tell people who ask if they see me purchasing a Wii U game, it's a damn good Nintendo console but falters greatly when compared to the competition. The fallacy is not having any games on this console. The games are there but they just so happened to lean greatly towards Nintendo rather than third party.

I've played a Nintendo console for every Christmas since 1986 and I don't plan on stopping unless the company does something completely askew of reality.

@charizard1605: How is that a fact? Both LBP and Mario Maker scored a 9 here on Gamespot. They are both good games on their own merits with one not being better than the other, according to Gamespot. Seems like it is, in fact, left to preference, not opinion.

Wins, to you. Your opinion, and the way you feel regarding such games, doesn't necessarily ring true for everyone else. So, given how you feel Mario Maker is the better the game, doesn't make it fact, just simply your opinion.

Additionally, if the standards are as different as you claim, and I know this a completely different situation, then the likes of Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed would be reviewed much more heavily and harshly. As much as the standards change, it's as much as they stay the same.

@jbc7343: The likes of Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are rated much more harshly- go look at Unity or Syndicate's Metascore, and compare those to the Metascore for Assassin's Creed Brotherhood or III.

More importantly, the most important and essential thing in a platformer is the platforming mechanics. If a platformer fails at platforming, then everything else can't compensate for it- it's a genre that lives and dies by its mechanics, and LBP's mechanics leave a lot being desired.

Well, of course there are gonna be those games that score higher and/or lower than others' in the series, however, Unity aside, why aren't the other games getting panned as hard? The other games are essentially copy and pasted and yet most every publication will give it 7 or better. How can the standards change if the games themselves, don't? A 72 or 73 will get a game universal acclaim on Metacritic.

With regards to platforming, LBP isn't a perfect game and I never said it was. I simply said that both games are great games on the their own merits, which is true. According to Gamespot, both games are equally as good. My problem lies with you calling your opinion as fact. One could argue that excluding a story mode and multiplayer (even in create mode), which LBP included, leaves a lot to be desired. Because however you slice it, both games are playable. Does one play better than the other? Probably. Does that make one game better than the other? Not in my opinion and not according to Gamespot.

Because the hardware is garbage. It has nothing going for it and it has this very ugly GamePad controlling it.

If the console was maybe $100 I'd buy it along with some games, but the RPP is quadriple its actual worth (especially in europe). Thus I am waiting for the NX and I hope it's backwards compatible. Buying a console that can barely do 720p with severe jaggies in 2015 is unacceptable.

Price...
Vision...
Very meh on the present franchises theyve thrown their weight behind.

...and honestly, the writing was on the wall before the thing launched, sadly...

Good news is I think they're primed for a comeback... its a gut thing.

• Shitty hardware
• No third party support
• Horrible horrible network infrastructure
• Overpriced console considering how shitty the hardware already is
• Gimmicky controller
• Stale 1st party franchises that no longer appeal to me

Nintendo is completely out of touch with the modern gamer IMO. I hope they are more successful with the NX for the sake of competition but I'm not hopeful based on what I've heard from the rumors about the NX. I probably won't be buying the NX unless Nintendo does something incredible with it.

I haven´t skipped it yet, I´m just waiting for it to be on clearance or find a really good pre owned unit for around $3,000 MEX, it has enough games ( 15 so far ) that interest me. I purchased a X1 and I have less games for it ( GOW UE, MCC, H5, Sunset Overdrive, BF4 & Titanfall which I purchased dirt cheap, AC BF and AC Unity which were pre installed in the console ).

I didn't. It's my most played console this gen so far

Love my Wii U. Only punks skip out on Wii U.

I bought it for Bayonetta 2 and hasn't touch it since I beat the game. I'm not going to fall for another Nintendo console unless it show me some really strong 3rd party exclusives!

1. Price. I'm a consumer first and gamer second. I don't see the value they are offering for the price of entry. Their platform is overvalued.

2. Confidence. I have no reason to believe Nintendo is able to rally 3rd parties, deliver consistent and timely 1st party support, nor integrate any significant business strategy that will ensure the platform will be around long enough for me to satisfy my gaming desires and recoup my investment.

• Casual gamers switched to mobile gaming.
• Nowadays' trends revolve around games like Call of Duty and online.
• Nintendo's lack of third party support.
• Bad marketing.
• All its left for Nintendo is its first party exclusives games, which is not enough to compete with the comptetiors' offering.

Easy. Not interested in any Nintendo first party offerings whatsoever. Bayonetta 2 was the only thing interesting in it but 300€ for one game? Oh hell NAH

I purchased a Wii U early on, and actually enjoyed it for a decent while. It definitely has some good things about it, from a console perspective. And of course has some great games.

But I ended up trading it in because I never played it anymore. But I actually regret it, because there are a bunch of games on it that I really want to play. And I'd probably buy it again if they dropped the price here in Aus... it's still about the same price as when it launched here, which is ridiculous.

^ What this guy said. I waited until Summer 2014 to buy a Wii U because my minimum is five games I want to play and preferably three more games I'll want to play coming out within the first year of owning the console. I have no problem supporting a console based on announced games but there is almost no point in buying a console that has little to no games you want to play right now.

Now that being said, I am leery of Nintendo at the moment, they haven't shown that they really know what gamer's want or what mistakes they've made and with every passing day and month that goes by where they don't correct that I lose faith that they'll ever be relevant in the gaming industry going forward.

The Wii U was lacking in content that piqued my interest. It finally caught my attention three years into its release with Super Mario Maker and Splatoon, but it still isn't enough to justify me buying a Wii U. So, no, I don't regret my decision.

EDIT: I forgot to add that the Wii U is a non factor in my decision of rather or not to buy the next nintendo console.

Weak hardware

Dumb tablet controller

Overpriced

No third party support

Not enough compelling exclusives outside of Smash and Mario Kart. They didn't even release a Metroid or exclusive Zelda for it.

I didn't skip the Wii U but I have huge numbers of friends who have been waiting for the 300 dollar 32GB bundles to drop in price and that price drop has never happened.

I didn't... Though it has, by far, the least amount of play-time from all my systems. Still, i'm clocking in 30 hours on Xenoblade X and loving it.

@lundy86_4: I'm so jelly. Darn you. As good as I'm sure the game is, I can't justify a console for one game.

@jbc7343: Personally, I wouldn't even advise someone to do that as much as I love the game. It's just not that level of good, if it's all you'll play.

That being said, if you ever grab a WiiU for more than Xenoblade, it's 100% worth the buy. I'm 30 hours in, and just got my Skell (mech), so i've probably got a bunch of hours left to go :P

I didn't skip out on the Wii U. Nintendo Skip out on me. I bought the Wii U on Launch day way back in November 18th 2012. Thus far I have only bought 20 games for the Wii U. Nintendo really lost third party support this time. Since as of December 29 2015 there is next to no third party developers supporting the Nintendo Wii U console. Nintendo is scaling down manufacturing the Wii U to just 2 million units worldwide. Nintendo is getting ready the Nintendo NX which is being manufactured at this time for a possible November 2016 launch. But Nintendo has to work on relations with 3rd party game developers in addition to working more closer to indie developers because Nintendo cannot support a console by themselves. The first party games by Nintendo are great. But not enough on there own to keep NX afloat.

So Wii U skipped out on me. The standard "core" gamer, Nintendo also skipped out on Third party game developers and seemed to give indie creators a hard time. leaving the Wii U barren. If Nintendo cannot turn the situation around with NX. Then Nintendo will go extinct.

controller = shit

hardware = shit

online = shit

software support = shit

so its pretty much shit from every possible angle

At first, it wasn't the gimmick of the Wii U pad, it was the fact they were aiming for Xbox 360 and PS3 capabilities to get the same multiplats those consoles were getting, right at the tail end of those console life cycles. It was a waste of time since those consoles capabilities meant third parties were just going to ignore the Wii U, the was further reinforced when their third party line-up was nothing more than late overpriced ports of the same games the Xbox 360 and PS3 had. They relied on 3rd parties that didn't deliver and didn't have an arsenal of first party games or an articulated prospect of them at launch.

I did eventually get one, when they started to show that they had a first party line-up like with games like Wind Waker HD, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, the (then) upcoming Mario 3D World, and games on horizon like Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2, and hey delivered a couple more must haves, Super Smash Bros and Hyrule Warriors, unfortunately that was kind of it, his year seemed weak sauce compared to 2013/2014. Splatoon doesn't interest me at its price, nor Mario Maker, they look good I just never fire up my Wii U anymore, nor games like Fatal Frame or Devil's Third which I might get at a lower price point but doubt that'll happen either. Xenoblade Chronicles X might be the only title from this year I pick up, maybe the only game I play as I've really only touched Captain Toad this year.

Anyhow, Nintendo still has games coming that interest me, looking forward to that. I don't regret getting a Wii U in the slightest, I just wish Nintendo would have supported it better with first party content. They have a lot of things they just refuse to do that frustrates me. Refusal to put Metroid Zero Mission on North American Wii U eShop. Refusal to put Fatal Frame on disc in North America but they published a small batch of Devil's Third. Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Nintendo franchises no longer appeal to me.

Pro controller = awesome

Hardware,they're all shit

Online is still free and never gets down

Software support = best first party games

you mean the controller thats almost a direct rip off of the xbox controller, but not as good? add in the 50 bucks it costs and now your paying the same price for a wii u as a ps4. like omg how is the wii u not flying off the shelves!!! theres a massive difference between the hardware inside ps4 and the wii u. the online has to be free because no one would pay for such shit. nintendo does make some good games, so you can count on 1 or 2 good games on average per year. wow thats some amazing software support there!

And I don't see the problem with the regular tablet controller.

Oh yeah,I forgot how slightly less crap > crap. Amazing!

More and better exclusives on the Wii U.

Why so mad?

yes, clearly 10xish the system performance is only slightly better. by that same metric, your pc(if you even have one) is so marginally better than a ps4 it must not even register.

10xish?

It's said the Wii U is running at 352 GFLOPS while the PS4 is 1.82TFLOPS. Less than 5 times.

Still,crap hardware with no exclusives to play

@jbc7343:

1) I dont find appealing most of their 1st party titles. I like only Zelda / Paper Mario and Mario main series

2) Which leads to the conclusion : I wont buy a console just for 2-3 games for an entire generation when

3) It misses every single 3rd party game im in love with ( Street Fighter series / Mass Effect series / The Witcher and so many others that will take a while to do the list ) Which again this kind of mess leads to

4) Nintendo consoles premature deaths. We have the same situation , more or less , since Nintendo 64. Nintendo seems to pulling the plug way sooner than competition which value wise that sucks when at the same time ---->

5) They having the freaking price of their products as high as possible even when their products officially heading to their deaths. For example , Wii U as we speak in my country has 250euros when PS4 has 299euros and the only 2 games im interested in are at 60$. Im talking about the almost 3 years old Mario 3D world at 55 euros price tag and the forthcoming Zelda wii U. So ---->

6) I cant find a single reason to buy a Wii U. Its overpriced as hell both software and hardware wise , very limited library overall to keep me busy like forever , no NEW IPs that will make me interested at all and all these craps while system its almost dead!

7) No thnx , Wii U not I.

PS : When Nintendo get serious like they did with SNES i might get interested , till then... i refuse to give a single $ to their ridiculous , middlefingerous approach to their customers when it comes to console gaming the last 17 years at least.

@MonsieurX: You're trying too hard dude. The Wiiu's online and hardware are trash, it's one of the main reasons the console is selling horribly. Stop damage controlling for it. You like Nintendo's exclusives and that's fine but there's no need to cover up for that mediocre online and hardware. PS4's hardware is nowhere near as useless as the WiiU's and it actually has an online infrastructure. Nintendo's online never goes down because it's too mediocre for script kiddies to even bother with and it's free because no one in their right mind would pay for such shit.

X1 and PS4 hardware are shit as well,even when they released. PS4's online infrastructure is exactly the same as the PS3,but now you have to pay. Thanks Sony!Gotta keep those servers up,eh

are you daft? max theoretical tflop numbers arent at all an accurate measure of system performance. wii u's gpu is based on amds old VLIW architecture and the cpu is a tri core OoO power pc architecture. you are utterly clueless

You said 10xish the system performance,have some better source?

actual developers that post on beyond3d forums

Reading comprehension, you seriously lack it.

Are PS4's and Xbone's hardware stopping them from playing major third party games like Witcher 3, fallout 4, Assassins Creed, FF15, Street Fighter V, Mass Effect, etc.? No, they are not. Therefore they aren't as useless as the WiiU.

You either being stupid or trolling if you believe PS4's infrastructure is the same as PS3's. Shareplay and party chat alone are enough to put the PS4's online infrastructure head and shoulders above the PS3's.

Cool story.

Honestly, the Tablet GamePad. Completely pointless, in my opinion.

Wii Remote/Nunchuck was a far better concept, and implemented well.

I found the Nintendo 64, Gamecube and Wii to be pretty disappointing, so I'm not quick to buy Nintendo consoles anymore. Holding off on buying the Wii U turned out to be the right decision.

I will buy one eventually though once I get my backlog down, because I want to try Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water, and then may as well get Bayonetta 2 as well. Hopefully the next Zelda turns out good. Not sure if I'll get a brand new one or used.

How not to? An x360 has more use in 2015 than a WiiU from 2012 to this day... WiiU is like the Vita, useless.

PS4 and Xbox One came out and people forgot what a wii u was

Let's put it this way.

I bought a 3DO and AV Famicom this year when Wii U's can be had for $200. Yes, I'd much rather play on 20+ yr old systems than the Wii U.

I don't need a Wii U to play Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Super Mario Bros, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, or Zelda. I have 7 other Nintendo consoles in my house that can play those games.

The only reason I might purchase a Wii U is if some super limited edition Wii U gets released at the end of its lifespan. Not to play it mind you, but to keep it sealed and eventually sell the thing to some Nintendo fanboy who would be stupid enough to pay me 3x what I paid for it.

To be honest, I've been having trouble getting excited about this whole generation. Still playing PS3 and Wii. I think what I want is more stuff like Rocket League to come out. Then my feelings could change.

They are easy to profit on, aren't they?

I love a good Nintendo IP, but I have limited game time and would like to own a system where I can get as much variety as I can so that I can allocate my time to whatever genre suits my fancy at a given time when making a new purchase. None of the consoles are perfect in that regard, but lacking 3rd party support the Wii U has too narrow a scope for me. I'd buy one if I had more time to game, so I could work in some of its classics to my rotation, but it's simply not a sufficiently appealing investment for me at this time