Why didn't the Gamecube do better than the N64?

I'm very curious why the Gamecube sold the same amount the N64 did.

The ps2 was in town :P

Um competition?

a number of reasons including more competition, a lack of triple A games compared to the Nintendo 64.

Nintendo definitely made more money of the GC than they did the N64.

I'm very curious why the Gamecube sold the same amount the N64 did.

STXSambodog

In general, poor third party support. The PS2 got the butt-load ofthird-party exclusives last gen.

PlayStation 2. It killed the Gamecube last gen.

Because they didn't have Rare to pick up the slack in between big 1st party titles.

There was way more competition. It was the N64 vs PS1. During the GCN there was Xbox and PS2. And Xbox was able to steal a lot of Nintendo's American audience who played Golden Eye, Perfect Dark with Games like Halo. Cause remember N64 did sell alot in the US. In Japan the N64 completely bombed due to a lack of RPGs.

Both used non-standard storage mediums with less memory than the competition.

Both only had ONE analog stick on their controllers.

Both lost third-party support to the competition (PS, PS2, XBOX).

The GC lacked proper Online support.

Game libraries were moot with a few exceptions. The GC's library was much weaker than the N64's imo.

Overall the N64 was my favorite console of its gen, but the PS2 was my favorite of last gen. I think its fair to say the competition from Sony threw Nintendo off balance and then the Xbox came along to make things even worse.

Both used non-standard storage mediums with less memory than the competition.

Both only had ONE analog stick on their controllers.

Both lost third-party support to the competition (PS, PS2, XBOX).

The GC lacked proper Online support.

Game libraries were moot with a few exceptions. The GC's library was much weaker than the N64's imo.

Overall the N64 was my favorite console of its gen, but the PS2 was my favorite of last gen. I think its fair to say the competition from Sony threw Nintendo off balance and the the Xbox came along to make things even worse.

Tezcatlipoca666

If your referring to gamecube here your mistaken

Both only had ONE analog stick on their controllers. Tezcatlipoca666

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]Both only had ONE analog stick on their controllers. Shinobishyguy

sorry man beat ya too it, although you got the better picture :P

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

Both only had ONE analog stick on their controllers. Tezcatlipoca666

sorry man beat ya too it, although you got the better picture :P

I thought someone might bring up the c-stick. I don't consider it an analog stick in the same way as the Dualshock and Xbox controllers dual analog sticks. Its unconventional, too small, and doesn't have smooth circular movement.

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]*ahem*

Shinobishyguy

sorry man beat ya too it, although you got the better picture :P

lol, although I always remembered my c stick being more smooth and rubbery then that one :P

I thought someone might bring up the c-stick. I don't consider it an analog stick in the same way as the Dualshock and Xbox controllers dual analog sticks. Its unconventional, too small.

Tezcatlipoca666

but the thing is that it is still an analog stick, even if it is too small or unconventional for your tastes, just like despite how bad it is the 360's dpad is still technically a d pad.

I thought someone might bring up the c-stick. I don't consider it an analog stick in the same way as the Dualshock and Xbox controllers dual analog sticks. Its unconventional, too small, and doesn't have smooth circular movement.

Tezcatlipoca666

So? It's still an analog stick. It allows the use of more than 8 way directions, thus making it an analog stick. It doesn't matter if it's not up to YOUR standards.

I thought someone might bring up the c-stick. I don't consider it an analog stick in the same way as the Dualshock and Xbox controllers dual analog sticks. Its unconventional, too small, and doesn't have smooth circular movement.

Tezcatlipoca666

That's like saying that the R2 and L2 buttons on the Dualshock 3 don't count as triggers because they aren't like other triggers.

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Fine guys. Its an analog stick but I was definitely thinking of its use with shooters here.

Btw I actually really like the GC's controller :)

N64 sucessfully targeted a specific market, while Gamecube was unable to.

Because since going 3D, Nintendo makes a mistake at the beginning of the gen to harm their overall status at the end of the gen

N64 didn't use CDs

GCN didn't use DVDs

Wii doesn't have multi=platform capable hardware

There was way more competition. It was the N64 vs PS1. During the GCN there was Xbox and PS2. And Xbox was able to steal a lot of Nintendo's American audience who played Golden Eye, Perfect Dark with Games like Halo. Cause remember N64 did sell alot in the US. In Japan the N64 completely bombed due to a lack of RPGs.

chansaet

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Fine guys. Its an analog stick but I was definitely thinking of its use with shooters here.

Btw I actually really like the GC's controller :)

Tezcatlipoca666

welll I do agree that I hate the analog stick on it, but yea other then 360's and Genesis's controllers gamecube was one of my favs.

Although the GC had many great games, it had competition as well, as to where the 64's position was, there was no one around to bother him.

While the GC was underrated imo, it just couldn't stand up to the might of the PS2.

It was easier to pirate PS2 games, and the PS2 came with a lot of false promises (good marketing).
I think those were the 2 main reasons that it became so succesful.

So no one's pointing out that the TC is wrong, and the GCN didn't sell as much as the N64?

33 million is a bigger number than 22 million

Not having Rare during most of the GC ere hurt Nintendo. There was no Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Conkerand Banjo Kazooie. These games did well for the N64 and had a hupe help in selling more N64's.

Despite coming in third place, it provided me with some of my favorite games of all time.

Despite coming in third place, it provided me with some of my favorite games of all time.

HotRevolver

the GCN kicked serious a$$... too bad it didn't have more support from the third parteez :-D

I thought someone might bring up the c-stick. I don't consider it an analog stick in the same way as the Dualshock and Xbox controllers dual analog sticks. Its unconventional, too small, and doesn't have smooth circular movement.

Tezcatlipoca666

The Gamecube was a great design with a great controller and the console had horsepower. It's a shame it didn't do better.

The PS2 had a PS2, and his friend PS2 would come over and play all the great PS2 games on the PS2, with PS2 :P

Needless to say, the PS2 was involved :P

And im sure being a tiny purple box contributed a bit :P

plz ppl dont blame the PS2 as the N64 had PS1 in the same era. While PS1 was way better than N64, atleast it had some hits. the GC was just aweful. saved us $199. the controller was worst than N64'sPSP107

yes, i thougth a cow would come to cause caos. PS1 was way better than the N64.NO. N64 had SM64 and zelda OOT. that itself proves that the N64 was the better system. BTW TC, the GC cam 3rd because:the PS2 had a head start. the xbox came and stole some sales in america.(though it was last in quality in my opinon) and the GC lacked 3rd party support. I still think the GC was better though, it had the best games last gen. and i had a PS2 and a GC, so i had all the quality titles.:P

I'd say for these reasons:

- They Cube developed a "kiddy" image that gamers weren't into.
- PS2 made their release at the right time, and had an attractive DVD player to match, thus stealing the audience.
- Xbox made the "kiddy" image more prominent for the Cube.

Those are my thoughts anyway. (I don't think it had to do with the Cube's library per se, because the library is pretty awesome (I have 40 games+ for it, most of which is good stuff).

I'm very curious why the Gamecube sold the same amount the N64 did.

STXSambodog

Unlike this round of consoles, the GC didn't do anything to set itself apart from the other two.

Appealing mostly to the same crowd that bought the N64... hardcore Nintendo fans. Which is basically what Nintendo is doing this generation too, with the added bonus of the non-gaming crowd (i.e. sales of games like No More Heroes, Madworld, Zack & Wiki, etc aren't what they should be for a console with a 50+ million install base).

But, Nintendo profitted on the N64 and GC... so I don't know what there is to complain about.

[QUOTE="PSP107"]plz ppl dont blame the PS2 as the N64 had PS1 in the same era. While PS1 was way better than N64, atleast it had some hits. the GC was just aweful. saved us $199. the controller was worst than N64'sgamedude234

yes, i thougth a cow would come to cause caos. PS1 was way better than the N64.NO. N64 had SM64 and zelda OOT. that itself proves that the N64 was the better system. BTW TC, the GC cam 3rd because:the PS2 had a head start. the xbox came and stole some sales in america.(though it was last in quality in my opinon) and the GC lacked 3rd party support. I still think the GC was better though, it had the best games last gen. and i had a PS2 and a GC, so i had all the quality titles.:P

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"]plz ppl dont blame the PS2 as the N64 had PS1 in the same era. While PS1 was way better than N64, atleast it had some hits. the GC was just aweful. saved us $199. the controller was worst than N64'sDarkman2007

yes, i thougth a cow would come to cause caos. PS1 was way better than the N64.NO. N64 had SM64 and zelda OOT. that itself proves that the N64 was the better system. BTW TC, the GC cam 3rd because:the PS2 had a head start. the xbox came and stole some sales in america.(though it was last in quality in my opinon) and the GC lacked 3rd party support. I still think the GC was better though, it had the best games last gen. and i had a PS2 and a GC, so i had all the quality titles.:P

yeah, sorry i exagerrated a bit, still SM64 and Zelda oot are 2 of the best games of all time, i thinlk we could agree on that, no?:P but you're right in saying that 2 games do'nt make a system, here are some more off the top of my head:starfox 64:lylat wars, legend of zelda:majora's mask, super smash bros., golden eye 007, donkey kong 64, perfect dark, paper mario...all quaality titles. there are more, but i can't think of them at the moment.

The Game Cube Failed because because it was about graphics instead of game play and Nintendo didn't make the Game Cube attractive enough to third party developers.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"]plz ppl dont blame the PS2 as the N64 had PS1 in the same era. While PS1 was way better than N64, atleast it had some hits. the GC was just aweful. saved us $199. the controller was worst than N64'sDarkman2007

yes, i thougth a cow would come to cause caos. PS1 was way better than the N64.NO. N64 had SM64 and zelda OOT. that itself proves that the N64 was the better system. BTW TC, the GC cam 3rd because:the PS2 had a head start. the xbox came and stole some sales in america.(though it was last in quality in my opinon) and the GC lacked 3rd party support. I still think the GC was better though, it had the best games last gen. and i had a PS2 and a GC, so i had all the quality titles.:P

i agree on this for the most part.

but the N64 had lots of excelent games. it had by far better games then the ps1. but they missed 1 thing

RPG's and Mature games.

those 2 things made the ps1 sell in the US and Japan, which are the 2 most important markets for the gameing industry, next to europe

Because since going 3D, Nintendo makes a mistake at the beginning of the gen to harm their overall status at the end of the gen

N64 didn't use CDs

GCN didn't use DVDs

Wii doesn't have multi=platform capable hardware

darth-pyschosis

That is not a mistake because game would not be ported to the Wii because the control scheme or it would have shotty controls plus the so called hardcore gamers would continue still avoid the Wii because they think Nintendo is kiddy and would continue to think that. Nintendo may actually get more third partys because it is much cheaper to develop games for the Wii because it isn't a HD clone.