Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold??

No it's not. What ridiculousness is this, that 2006 games don't count towards the strength of a system. It doesn't matter if games are released at the beginning of a generation, or near the end, they all contribute towards the strength of the system. People will still be buying games like Gears of War this year, and next year, and your little esoteric attempts to divide them up based upon the years they were released in is irrelevant. Some of the best games on systems in history have been launch/early gen titles; Mario 64, OoT, Halo, MGS2, FF10 etc. Fact is, those 2006 games exist, and they are completely relevant in comparisons of the two consoles. The fact also is that 360 got a great head start in the games library that the PS3 is really going to have to work hard to catch. Do you suggest that when people go to purchase a console they're only able to buy games from their current year? That's stupid. What do we have backwards compatibility for.Cicatraz_ESP

My point is that while there may be some people who play older games, most of us play the most up-to-date games we can.  Even if a game doesn;t have a sequel to replace it, that game will age over time and not be as enjoyable as games more recently released.  Yes, Mario 64 is/was cool.  But can you say Mario 64 is better than Gear of War?  No, you can't.  You can't even put them in the same category.

It comes down to the best game NOW.  Thats what people want.  Whether its was five years ago or five years from now, people will always want the best game they can get.  That means the best gameplay, the best graphics, and the best sound to name a few.  In 2008, 2006 games won't be selling out, will they?

So don't tell me how a game can hold its power for more than a year or two.  In order for that to happen, game developers would have to not try anything new or improve on games at all.  That will never happen.

if you never "argued" something b/c at some point in time in the future it would be moot, then WE WOULD NEVER ARGUE ANYTHING! Why would you argue PS3 is a good console when in 15 years it will be utter crap? Why do you brush your teeth in the morning when you know your breath will stank at 5pm or why do you brush them at all when you are 100 years old your teeth will be rotten either way. Why do you argue that blu-ray is good when it will be replaced by a much better techology in 20 years? your post = worthless and devoid of any good logicandross77

My point is that blu-ray is good now.  Not in two years.  What is your point?  I'm not sure you made one.

I made the claim that 360 owners hold onto the game quantities like their gold.  Like that is what makes a better console.  My point is that the games don;t make the console.  That the console will dictate how well games are received and sold.  My point is that PS3 is superior to 360 now and in the future because of the console power, not the games.  And I make this poitn knowing that 360 will not have an edge on games soon anyway.  So even if the quantities were a good point, that point can only survive for so long.  Then what will the excuse be?

[QUOTE="andross77"]if you never "argued" something b/c at some point in time in the future it would be moot, then WE WOULD NEVER ARGUE ANYTHING! Why would you argue PS3 is a good console when in 15 years it will be utter crap? Why do you brush your teeth in the morning when you know your breath will stank at 5pm or why do you brush them at all when you are 100 years old your teeth will be rotten either way. Why do you argue that blu-ray is good when it will be replaced by a much better techology in 20 years? your post = worthless and devoid of any good logicdubvisions

My point is that blu-ray is good now.  Not in two years.  What is your point?  I'm not sure you made one.

I made the claim that 360 owners hold onto the game quantities like their gold.  Like that is what makes a better console.  My point is that the games don;t make the console.  That the console will dictate how well games are received and sold.  My point is that PS3 is superior to 360 now and in the future because of the console power, not the games.  And I make this poitn knowing that 360 will not have an edge on games soon anyway.  So even if the quantities were a good point, that point can only survive for so long.  Then what will the excuse be?

Your point is moot when you havent bought a system. That is when the quantity of games comes into it. You look at the games that are out now, but also the games you want to catch up on. Maybe you didnt have the money to spend or maybe there wanst enough games to justifty buying it then. Its like telling me anyone who buys a PS3 in say a few months time, will ignore Resistance I doubt that. If I was to buy a PS3 in 6 months, Resistance would be a title I would buy. How many people bought Halo long time after xbox came out. ps3-nikita

No, you made no good point. You are saying 360 owners shouldn't claim something NOW that is CLEARLY an advantage just b/c in the future it won't be anymore. I'm saying you CAN claim something as an advantange now, when it clearly is, even if in the future things will change. Why? B/c we live in the NOW, not the future. that was my point. sorry you missed it. and what you are saying fails all logic. try again next time.andross77

I just don't think you'll ever let it sink into your thick skull.  Yes, 360 has more games now.  Yes, 13 year old Timmy will probably buy the 360 based on the current game selection.

But, as I've stated before, that doesn;t make the 360 a better system.  It just has more games, that's it.  THAT IS IT!

Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold??  Don't they know that will change?  That 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3?  Don't they know this is a normal start for a console with new technologies to develope for?

Why hold on to the fact that 360 has more games when that really won't matter in six months?  The 360 games released between 360's release and PS3's will be replaced and/or obsolete within the year.  What then?

dubvisions

don't give me that BS man!! the X360 and PS3 was coming out at the same time spring 06 but the x360 was release early and the PS3 pushed back only because of blu-ray problems so the DEV had the same time on both systems

don't give me that BS man!! the X360 and PS3 was coming out at the same time spring 06 but the x360 was release early and the PS3 pushed back only because of blu-ray problems so the DEV had the same time on both systemsthenorminator

The only BS in here is coming from your last post.  Yes, there may have been the same amount of time to develope, if you are correct.  But how can Sony release games for the PS3 in 2006 when there was no console yet?  Or maybe you'd have the developers work on all of the games without final specs and then release them all in the first week.  Does that make sense?  No, no it doesn't.

[QUOTE="thenorminator"]don't give me that BS man!! the X360 and PS3 was coming out at the same time spring 06 but the x360 was release early and the PS3 pushed back only because of blu-ray problems so the DEV had the same time on both systemsdubvisions

The only BS in here is coming from your last post.  Yes, there may have been the same amount of time to develope, if you are correct.  But how can Sony release games for the PS3 in 2006 when there was no console yet?  Or maybe you'd have the developers work on all of the games without final specs and then release them all in the first week.  Does that make sense?  No, no it doesn't.

the PS3 was coming out spring 06 but because of blu-ray problems it was delayed thats all i'm saying. i never said the PS3 would have games without a console

[QUOTE="andross77"]No, you made no good point. You are saying 360 owners shouldn't claim something NOW that is CLEARLY an advantage just b/c in the future it won't be anymore. I'm saying you CAN claim something as an advantange now, when it clearly is, even if in the future things will change. Why? B/c we live in the NOW, not the future. that was my point. sorry you missed it. and what you are saying fails all logic. try again next time.dubvisions

I just don't think you'll ever let it sink into your thick skull.  Yes, 360 has more games now.  Yes, 13 year old Timmy will probably buy the 360 based on the current game selection.

But, as I've stated before, that doesn;t make the 360 a better system.  It just has more games, that's it.  THAT IS IT!

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold??  Don't they know that will change?  That 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3?  Don't they know this is a normal start for a console with new technologies to develope for?

Why hold on to the fact that 360 has more games when that really won't matter in six months?  The 360 games released between 360's release and PS3's will be replaced and/or obsolete within the year.  What then?

nnavidson

If last years 360 games are obsolete this year, why are PS3 owners so excited to get them this year?

Oblivion

Rainbow Six Vegas

Fear

Splinter Cell

Saints Row

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If console wars have taught us anything, it's that games libraries are the trump card. 360s is already great compared to the paltry offerings from the PS3. And 2007 only looks to widen the gap, with 360 bringing out it's big guns, whereas the PS3 looks like it's big hitters (FF13, MGS4) may be 2008 titles. So what is going to draw these 20 year olds (who usually have low incomes) to the most expensive console, with the least software?dubvisions

Here's the other card the 360 fanboys love using, the price. Which is really pretty funny because when you get both systems even on peripherals and features, the 360 is just about as much as the PS3. Anyway.....

Twenty somethings may be broke, I know I usually am, but most will do whatever they can to get the electronics or toys they want. If someone can save $00, they can save $600. Don't tell me they can't.

If you're talking to a gamer that wants the best HD gaming and media experience, there's no other direction to look than the PS3. Full HD with potential for 1080p, wants those games are made. An HDMI port for the complete digital experince. And a blu-ray player that not only give you killer quality movies but will also work to make games better.

That's what will draw them. That's what has drawn them in PS2-record-breaking style!

Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold?? Don't they know that will change? That 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3? Don't they know this is a normal start for a console with new technologies to develope for?

Why hold on to the fact that 360 has more games when that really won't matter in six months? The 360 games released between 360's release and PS3's will be replaced and/or obsolete within the year. What then?

dubvisions

So what you're saying (From the parts of your post I can comprehend) All the games that came out between November of 2005 and 2006 for the 360 will be too old to be good. So then the 360 and PS3 will be equal in the number of games that they have out, since every 360 game that was released before November 2006 will be "obsolete."

Hm... I though if I typed this out in coherent English it would make more sense... but it really really doesn't. Anyways I would like to move onto my main point of contention.... "Hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold." this sentence actually angers me. The more I read it the more it pisses me off. You had better be from a country where English isn't the main language, or a gerbil or something.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="nnavidson"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold?? Don't they know that will change? That 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3? Don't they know this is a normal start for a console with new technologies to develope for?

Why hold on to the fact that 360 has more games when that really won't matter in six months? The 360 games released between 360's release and PS3's will be replaced and/or obsolete within the year. What then?

Danm_999

If last years 360 games are obsolete this year, why are PS3 owners so excited to get them this year?

Oblivion

Rainbow Six Vegas

Fear

Splinter Cell

Saints Row

[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

Man you guys are so far off base, it's not even funny. Yes, there are many PS3 owners that are excited about Oblivion. But it won't be the same Oblivion 360 users had. It will have faster laod times and better graphics (this comes from the game's developers).

My pint is that every time I see a thread discussing the two consoles PS3 and 360, a 360 fan jumps in with the game quantity arguement. My point is that, that arguement is invalid. That within the year PS3 will have as many blockbuster games as the 360 and will be doing them better.

That's my point. Get it?

Danm_999

lol pwned.  plus when the PS3 is on it's 2nd gen, the 360 will be on it's 3rd gen.  meaning both systems quality of games will improve but the 360 is ALWAYS going to be one year ahead.  meaning more developers had more time to work with it.  i don't really see the topics poster of the threads arguement being valid until about 4-5 years from now when both consoles are on it's last legs.

Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold??  Don't they know that will change?  That 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3?  Don't they know this is a normal start for a console with new technologies to develope for?

Why hold on to the fact that 360 has more games when that really won't matter in six months?  The 360 games released between 360's release and PS3's will be replaced and/or obsolete within the year.  What then?

dubvisions

Kinda hard to be on the other side of the fence, isn't it cows?  Last gen, cows would brag about the PS2's library and diversity of its games, now they say that we can't say the same things about the 360.  The thing is, this gen, WE'VE got the games as well as the graphics, computing power, online to back it up. 

[QUOTE="nnavidson"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold?? Don't they know that will change? That 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3? Don't they know this is a normal start for a console with new technologies to develope for?

Why hold on to the fact that 360 has more games when that really won't matter in six months? The 360 games released between 360's release and PS3's will be replaced and/or obsolete within the year. What then?

shungokustasu

If last years 360 games are obsolete this year, why are PS3 owners so excited to get them this year?

Oblivion

Rainbow Six Vegas

Fear

Splinter Cell

Saints Row

So rather than buy some tried and true titles you are going to buy VF5 "teh fl0p"?

I think it is hilarious someone would say "that doesn't makes the 360 a better system. It just has more games,that's it. THAT IS IT", as if something is more important to a game console then GAMES? KzerXtreme

Yeah, but teh PS3 has better potential.  That is what you are paying for - teh potential for great games... :)

I know what your saying. its all about quality and not quantity.
Adrian_Cloud

I was joking.  You never are good with picking up sarcasm, Adrian...

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]I know what your saying. its all about quality and not quantity.
REVENGEotSITH

I was joking. You never are good with picking up sarcasm, Adrian...

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]Real gamers, and I'm not even talking about the guys on these message boards, will know what they're looking for.Raidea

Why do 360 owners hold the quantity of games in their hands like gold??  Don't they know that will change?  That 360 has been out for a year longer than PS3?  Don't they know this is a normal start for a console with new technologies to develope for?

Why hold on to the fact that 360 has more games when that really won't matter in six months?  The 360 games released between 360's release and PS3's will be replaced and/or obsolete within the year.  What then?

dubvisions

Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Halo 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, Blue Dragon, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Bioshock etc etc are QUALITY, AND there are more, so 360 has quantity AND quality combined