Why do consolites want Diablo III?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You would have to redesign the game for a audience that are Diablo virgins.

Which means turning the game on its head, and compromising the already massive and dedicated PC fanbase.

skrat_01

You honestly think PC gamers would yell and cry at blizzard for porting Diablo 3 to consoles? um no they wouldn't they would be to busy enjoying the wonderfull game to care.

Also the reason why Diablo 2 didn't come to consoles is cause of the expansion, last two gens it would be a bad idea to port a pc game that you where gonna have a expansion for since console gamers had no way of installing the expansion, this gen however they do.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

I have a better question:

Why are we called consoleites? What ever happened to the good old fashioned console owner?

XaosII

Because a PC gamer with a console would also be a console owner, but not a consolite.

A person that plays only consoles games and shuns the PC, especially if they own all 3 consoles, is a consolite.

yeah, buy why the ite?

It just seems to me like another name to call someone to make yourself look better, like cow, lemming and sheep. Though it does not make you look better, just silly.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You would have to redesign the game for a audience that are Diablo virgins.

Which means turning the game on its head, and compromising the already massive and dedicated PC fanbase.

skrat_01

Selling out hasn't worked out half-bad for them.

Diablo A) didn't sell poorly on the PS by the standards of games of its time, and B) was released two years after the original Diablo, and after Diablo II had already been announced, and C) with no online. B and C are problems that could be easily counteracted, but couldn't be when Diablo for the PS was produced.

But you see, that's ignoring my question - what would they have to change? "It's just game design and business logic"... You're talking about the company that's famous for making games that appeal to a tremendous range of demographics with games that have incredible longevity. Are you suggesting that they would HAVE to change Diablo because, out of all the demographics Blizzard hit with Diablo I and II, with their games' TREMENDOUS casual appeal, they somehow managed to completely miss out on all console audience groups? Blizzard is famous for appealing to the same casual audience that consoles grab... You think the millions playing WoW are/were all hardcore PC gamers? This isn't Crytek we're talking about here, it's Blizzard - their bread and butter is fun, accesible games, not elitist inaccesible games.

Last paragraph of yours, you're missing my point. I'm not saying developing on consoles is the right thing to do - that's another debate. I'm not saying they should do it, I'm not saying they will do it. I'm asking you a question which you have still yet to answer - what would have to be changed, redesigned, "dumbed down," etc, about Diablo to make it work on a console?Shafftehr

Im honestly not sure in a Diablo context what design would have to change - so I doubt you will ever get a proper answer you see, however I can look towards other examples like UT3 to see simplification of design (game modes), limited amount of content, flawed online system, terrible ui, and the game feeling like a huge step back.

Of course a port is just fine, its a multiplatform title, from the beginning this applies too......

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

I have a better question:

Why are we called consoleites? What ever happened to the good old fashioned console owner?

NinjaMunkey01

Because a PC gamer with a console would also be a console owner, but not a consolite.

A person that plays only consoles games and shuns the PC, especially if they own all 3 consoles, is a consolite.

yeah, buy why the ite?

It just seems to me like another name to call someone to make yourself look better, like cow, lemming and sheep. Though it does not make you look better, just silly.

The whole name thing isn't used in the context of insulting the other or being condescending. Its really more of a label to define fans of the system without having to type out Playstation owner or Xbox 360 fan. Its less typing. At least, thats the way i see it, since their original meanings arent valid in this generation.

Funny that you point out UT3 - Epic has built an entirely new fanbase on consoles with Gears of War. Besides, compare the NPDs for UT3 in their release months: sure, they dropped down to 34k on PC, but picked up 113k on PS3, and with the 360 port yet to come.

Selling out hasn't worked out half-bad for them.

lowe0

Are you kidding me? Sure they picked up a new fanbase with GeoW, but they totally ruined another frachise (unreal tournament).

Picked up 100k on ps3?It's still a far cry from the multi-million unit seller that was UT through UT '04

Unreal Torunament was known as the king of shooters...now it's just a sad joke

battle.net is exactly why you'll probably never see another blizzard game on a console. You can search around for the interviews from this latest event in paris where the blizzard boys basically say that the big companies (nintendo, sony, m$) are the biggest reasons why they don't dabble in the console arena as much as they used to.

If diablo 3 was on xbox live, for example, blizzard would have to kneel and pray to the almighty god Microsoft. Blizzard patches would have to go through microsoft, microsoft would have to approve every bit of Blizzard's online process, and on top of that microsoft would take a share of Blizzard's profits. A HUGE share.

Why should Blizzard have to deal with that? Blizzard is the single most successful developer on the planet. Blizzard is so powerful and influential, Activision can't touch them even though they merged with Blizzard's parent company (Vivendi). Imagine diablo 3 on the Wii with a nintendo mandated ban on any sort of chat.....or patches on xbox live restricted to 50mb....

It's all a control issue. Blizzard wants full control over their patches, online content, archetecture and all the money they make. Releasing a game on a console means releasing some of that control to one or all of the big three companies. Think about it from their perspective.....Blizzard makes more money than most small countries. Anything they touch turns to gold. They boss multibillion dollar conglomorates around. If you were that powerful, you'd think twice about outsourcing some of that power too, wouldnt you?

TeamR

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You would have to redesign the game for a audience that are Diablo virgins.

Which means turning the game on its head, and compromising the already massive and dedicated PC fanbase.

lowe0

Selling out hasn't worked out half-bad for them.

UT is a well established IP with still a legion of fans playing 04 online, and creating content for it. Yet UT3 online is dead on the PS3 and PC, and even mark rein released a statement on its commercial failure (who said the sales would 'pick up' but noticeable havent thanks to the online popularity. Not to mention the mod community is dead.

I dont think any UT fans cared about Epic developing GeOW, what they did care about was how compromised the game design of UT3 was to compensate for multiple platforms, and how poor it was compared to its sucessor. Thus the main fanbase stuck to the previous titles, and on consoles it never took off because simply it was competing against titles that were already well established with console gamers, and it wasent a well known or followed franchise to them.

The gravity of UT3s failure has been that big that my university courses UT modding in second semester has changed to modding UT04, from UT3, because its modding community and support has simply not picked up at all since last november.
Thus UT04 is going to be what the modding is based around.

You honestly think PC gamers would yell and cry at blizzard for porting Diablo 3 to consoles? um no they wouldn't they would be to busy enjoying the wonderfull game to care.

Also the reason why Diablo 2 didn't come to consoles is cause of the expansion, last two gens it would be a bad idea to port a pc game that you where gonna have a expansion for since console gamers had no way of installing the expansion, this gen however they do.

Ballroompirate

Expansions have nothing to do with it. It's all about the console manufacturers tight control over their online property. Blizzard wouldnt be able to create and modify their property if they released it to use services like xbox live and PSN. They'd also have to share their profits.

Why should they do either of those?

Thats why you saw Diablo 1 ported, but diablo 2 wasnt. And diablo 3 won't

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]

Diablo A) didn't sell poorly on the PS by the standards of games of its time, and B) was released two years after the original Diablo, and after Diablo II had already been announced, and C) with no online. B and C are problems that could be easily counteracted, but couldn't be when Diablo for the PS was produced.

But you see, that's ignoring my question - what would they have to change? "It's just game design and business logic"... You're talking about the company that's famous for making games that appeal to a tremendous range of demographics with games that have incredible longevity. Are you suggesting that they would HAVE to change Diablo because, out of all the demographics Blizzard hit with Diablo I and II, with their games' TREMENDOUS casual appeal, they somehow managed to completely miss out on all console audience groups? Blizzard is famous for appealing to the same casual audience that consoles grab... You think the millions playing WoW are/were all hardcore PC gamers? This isn't Crytek we're talking about here, it's Blizzard - their bread and butter is fun, accesible games, not elitist inaccesible games.

Last paragraph of yours, you're missing my point. I'm not saying developing on consoles is the right thing to do - that's another debate. I'm not saying they should do it, I'm not saying they will do it. I'm asking you a question which you have still yet to answer - what would have to be changed, redesigned, "dumbed down," etc, about Diablo to make it work on a console?skrat_01

Im honestly not sure in a Diablo context what design would have to change - so I doubt you will ever get a proper answer you see, however I can look towards other examples like UT3 to see simplification of design (game modes), limited amount of content, flawed online system, terrible ui, and the game feeling like a huge step back.

Of course a port is just fine, its a multiplatform title, from the beginning this applies too......

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

I have a better question:

Why are we called consoleites? What ever happened to the good old fashioned console owner?

XaosII

Because a PC gamer with a console would also be a console owner, but not a consolite.

A person that plays only consoles games and shuns the PC, especially if they own all 3 consoles, is a consolite.

yeah, buy why the ite?

It just seems to me like another name to call someone to make yourself look better, like cow, lemming and sheep. Though it does not make you look better, just silly.

The whole name thing isn't used in the context of insulting the other or being condescending. Its really more of a label to define fans of the system without having to type out Playstation owner or Xbox 360 fan. Its less typing. At least, thats the way i see it, since their original meanings arent valid in this generation.

fine then. I personally will just call people ps3/360/wii owner.

Its just that you get some people who will say "stupid lemming" or I remember one saying "oh god another cow trying to act smart." some people do use those names to insult, and its silly.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You would have to redesign the game for a audience that are Diablo virgins.

Which means turning the game on its head, and compromising the already massive and dedicated PC fanbase.

Ballroompirate

You honestly think PC gamers would yell and cry at blizzard for porting Diablo 3 to consoles? um no they wouldn't they would be to busy enjoying the wonderfull game to care.

Also the reason why Diablo 2 didn't come to consoles is cause of the expansion, last two gens it would be a bad idea to port a pc game that you where gonna have a expansion for since console gamers had no way of installing the expansion, this gen however they do.

Multiplatform, if their game is compromised yes.

Imagine booting up Diablo 3 and finding it far worse than its predacessor.

quite frankly ive got nothing against porting games after release.

You're answering my question with a question that really doesn't answer my qeustion, and I'm out of time to argue. Why hasn't the series been multiplatform? No idea, but whatever the reason, it's why I don't consider it all that likely that Diablo III will be. Probably something financial, probably something to do with console producers demanding too much of Blizzard in the past, probably something to do with Blizzard being content with the status quo.

If you ever feel like it, do try and tell me how Diablo would have to be dumbed down to come to a console. I never tried to argue that Diablo would come to a console, I just want to know exactly what it is that PC gamers think the Diablo series is going to lose when they quickly jump in and say "ZOMG it'll be dumbed down!". So far, out of the people who jumped in and said that, I've just seen a bunch of vague generalizations about "dumbing down" in other games and comments about Blizzard's finances, desire for control, etc... But not one person has actually told me how Diablo would have to be dumbed down. That is all I asked, and all I want to argue.

On that note, I'm out of time. Bye.Shafftehr

Its happened so many times, let alone to franchises / series ive held to such high regard I cant not have input in a multiplatform development conversation.

That is all.

Lastly, one quick thing for you to consider... As you point out quite emphatically in your post, Blizzard bosses around multi-billion dollar corporations. What's more, it's pretty obvious that Blizzard doesn't need anyone to do well. Thus, if they ever made the move to a console, wouldn't it be a move purely because they wanted to rather than any financial need? Wouldn't that give them a tremendous bargaining chip when dictating the terms of them coming to whatever console they wanted to? MS is just anothre multi-billion dollar corporation, as are Sony and Nintendo... And as you've pointed out, Blizzard tends to get whatever they want from such organizations. What makes you think MS or Sony would be dumb enough to scare Blizzard off by imposing draconic demands on them if Blizzard ever did show interest in a console? Nintendo might well be, but that's Nintendo. It's pretty obvious MS/Sony would gain more by having a real Blizzard game on their console than Blizzard would gain from being on a console, almost regardless of the terms of it appearing there.Shafftehr

I'm not a member of Blizzard or Microsoft so I can't give specifics. I only go by what I know and what people say.

Key BLizzard employees have already stated that the biggest hurdle in a console port right now would be the big 3. I'm almost positive, and I think you'd agree with me that Blizzard has made some inquiries into porting some of their franchises onto consoles. Why wouldnt theyat least research it? They've ported games before, and they had a console game deep in development already.

What do you see as the more likely senario? A) Blizzard making an unreasonable request of the manufacturers? or B) The manufacturers imposing their standard demands on developers, and Blizzard deciding it was better from a business perspective to keep things Pc only?

Check out why WoW never made it to the 360:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/03/wow-360-aint-gonna-happen-says-blizzard/

"Their whole goal is to encourage people to go and buy games on the shelf, then there's an online component for it," he explained. "But for us, when you buy it on the shelf, that's just the beginning of our relationship with you - and we want a direct connection with our customer so that we're always giving you new content, always supporting you directly. Xbox Live just wasn't really built, from a business standpoint, to support that."

Oh, and one last thing... If none of you can come up with any elements of the Diablo formula that would have to be dumbed down for consoles, could just one of you come out and admit that it wouldn't have to be? That'd be great, rather than giving reason - which were never asked for - why it won't come to consoles. I know that it probably never will thanks, and I'll likely play it on my PC.Shafftehr

patches and updates. There would be no way to get the same quality to both systems. Console game would probably suffer as a resul. Not that I care, but Blizzard does

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Oh, and one last thing... If none of you can come up with any elements of the Diablo formula that would have to be dumbed down for consoles, could just one of you come out and admit that it wouldn't have to be? That'd be great, rather than giving reason - which were never asked for - why it won't come to consoles. I know that it probably never will thanks, and I'll likely play it on my PC.TeamR

patches and updates. There would be no way to get the same quality to both systems. Console game would probably suffer as a resul. Not that I care, but Blizzard does

Oh, and one last thing... If none of you can come up with any elements of the Diablo formula that would have to be dumbed down for consoles, could just one of you come out and admit that it wouldn't have to be? That'd be great, rather than giving reason - which were never asked for - why it won't come to consoles. I know that it probably never will thanks, and I'll likely play it on my PC.Shafftehr

well i could think of few skills which i see pretty difficult to use with controllers. Some are :-

1. necromancer could cast any item on the ground to create a golem out of it.

2. barbarian could click on a specific location along with his jump skill to jup to that area

etc

Picked up 100k on ps3?It's still a far cry from the multi-million unit seller that was UT through UT '04

TeamR

I dont think any UT fans cared about Epic developing GeOW, what they did care about was how compromised the game design of UT3 was to compensate for multiple platforms, and how poor it was compared to its sucessor. Thus the main fanbase stuck to the previous titles, and on consoles it never took off because simply it was competing against titles that were already well established with console gamers, and it wasent a well known or followed franchise to them.

The gravity of UT3s failure has been that big that my university courses UT modding in second semester has changed to modding UT04, from UT3, because its modding community and support has simply not picked up at all since last november.
Thus UT04 is going to be what the modding is based around.

skrat_01

And we're talking about console sales - why would the mod community affect that? If we cared about mods, we'd be playing on PC.

[QUOTE="TeamR"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Oh, and one last thing... If none of you can come up with any elements of the Diablo formula that would have to be dumbed down for consoles, could just one of you come out and admit that it wouldn't have to be? That'd be great, rather than giving reason - which were never asked for - why it won't come to consoles. I know that it probably never will thanks, and I'll likely play it on my PC.Shafftehr

patches and updates. There would be no way to get the same quality to both systems. Console game would probably suffer as a resul. Not that I care, but Blizzard does

i think the problem with your opponents making sense is that they never really wanted to in the first place. they feel that it would hurt pc gaming because pc would lose an exclusive and its as simple as that. they just dont want to come out and say it so instead they have the BS argument that somehow D3 would not work on consoles( which is nonsense because it would clearly work fine.) personally my decision to buy a pc is right now hinging on whether or not D3 is on the console or not. i dont know if there are lots more like me but i imagine there are some.

UT3 already broke the million mark as well, with the 360 port yet to come.

lowe0

Yes that is 1 million on two platforms, that currently have no one playing the game (mind you in the press release they said shipped).

Wheras UT2004 supposedly sold well over two million on just the PC. Hell Atari released the special edition which was recived quote " beyond even our wildest expectations" - it sold out on release. The Special edition DVD version is still sold retail.

Unreal's not as unestablished on consoles as you think - Unreal Championship was a Platinum Hit on the original Xbox, so at least 400k were sold.

And we're talking about console sales - why would the mod community affect that? If we cared about mods, we'd be playing on PC.

lowe0

Unreal Championship 2 was also a massive commercial failure for Epic (although the game was a fantastic, and perfect for console gameplay). Quite simply the console community was more involved with Halo 2.

Even UT2003 was a flop on PC, as it was actually port of UC - lacking much content, and modes and features found in UT99'. (UT3 is practically history repeating itself)

patches and updates. There would be no way to get the same quality to both systems. Console game would probably suffer as a resul. Not that I care, but Blizzard does

Shafftehr

I never said it wasnt physically possible. It is. D3 would transfer fine to any console.....I mean....360 and ps3 are as close to being regular computers as any console has ever been, so why wouldnt it work?

Their parent companies

Read the article I linked earlier:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/xbox-live-business-model-must-change-says-arenanet-founder

Sorry, i;m too lazy to turn that into a proper link.

But read what he says. The biggest reason you don't see more massively multiplayer games on xbox/ps3, even though they are technically capeable, is the struggle for control between dev/publisher and microsoft/sony. Sony and microsoft want control that companies like Blizzard arent willing to give up. That is the biggest hurdle in games like d3 being ported to consoles. Blizzard wants their games running on Battle.net, but a 360/ps3 port wouldnt be that simple.

It's not a technical limitation, it's all business. When sony/microsoft loosen their grip a little then I bet the blizzard ports will flow like water

It's not a technical limitation, it's all business. When sony/microsoft loosen their grip a little then I bet the blizzard ports will flow like water

TeamR

I'm no consolite but Diablo III coming to consoles would almost surely mean offline co-op awesomeness just like the playstation one, which means instant buy for me.Oscar-Wilde

Personally i didn't like the shared screen coop of D1 on PS1, also D1 and 2 could be played in "offline" coop on PC via LAN.

i don't know. it doesn't look too demanding, anyways and there's always the need for more games regardless of system.

i wouldn't mind though. Other than controls, I don't see anything being dumbed down. expanding the audience means more money probably. my PC can probably play this so that's probably what I'll get it for if I'm ever interested.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]I'm no consolite but Diablo III coming to consoles would almost surely mean offline co-op awesomeness just like the playstation one, which means instant buy for me.pieatorium

Personally i didn't like the shared screen coop of D1 on PS1, also D1 and 2 could be played in "offline" coop on PC via LAN.

You and everyone in SW i bet, know exactly what i meant by offline co-op so i don't know how your point is relevant to what i posted, since i am also talking about MY experience with Diablo not yours.

[QUOTE="pieatorium"]

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]I'm no consolite but Diablo III coming to consoles would almost surely mean offline co-op awesomeness just like the playstation one, which means instant buy for me.Oscar-Wilde

Personally i didn't like the shared screen coop of D1 on PS1, also D1 and 2 could be played in "offline" coop on PC via LAN.

You and everyone in SW i bet, know exactly what i meant by offline co-op so i don't know how your point is relevant to what i posted, since i am also talking about MY experience with Diablo not yours.

You made it sound like D1 and 2 on PC didn't have offline coop when they did.

Really, what's the deal?

I mean, I thought PC exclusives suck, are boring and so on. So what's so special about Diablo III for you then?

IgGy621985

Yeah , PC is dying , yet Warhammer online - Starcraft 2 - and D3 thinks otherwise.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="pieatorium"]

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]I'm no consolite but Diablo III coming to consoles would almost surely mean offline co-op awesomeness just like the playstation one, which means instant buy for me.pieatorium

Personally i didn't like the shared screen coop of D1 on PS1, also D1 and 2 could be played in "offline" coop on PC via LAN.

You and everyone in SW i bet, know exactly what i meant by offline co-op so i don't know how your point is relevant to what i posted, since i am also talking about MY experience with Diablo not yours.

You made it sound like D1 and 2 on PC didn't have offline coop when they did.

I didn't make no allusion to that, that was you jumping to conclusion, my post was about Diablo coming to consoles would be the only way i could play it with most of my friends since a lot of them don't even own computers.

Really, what's the deal?

I mean, I thought PC exclusives suck, are boring and so on. So what's so special about Diablo III for you then?

IgGy621985

[QUOTE="pieatorium"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="pieatorium"]

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]I'm no consolite but Diablo III coming to consoles would almost surely mean offline co-op awesomeness just like the playstation one, which means instant buy for me.Oscar-Wilde

Personally i didn't like the shared screen coop of D1 on PS1, also D1 and 2 could be played in "offline" coop on PC via LAN.

You and everyone in SW i bet, know exactly what i meant by offline co-op so i don't know how your point is relevant to what i posted, since i am also talking about MY experience with Diablo not yours.

You made it sound like D1 and 2 on PC didn't have offline coop when they did.

I didn't make no allusion to that, that was you jumping to conclusion, my post was about Diablo coming to consoles would be the only way i could play it with most of my friends since a lot of them don't even own computers.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="pieatorium"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="pieatorium"]

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]I'm no consolite but Diablo III coming to consoles would almost surely mean offline co-op awesomeness just like the playstation one, which means instant buy for me.0rin

Personally i didn't like the shared screen coop of D1 on PS1, also D1 and 2 could be played in "offline" coop on PC via LAN.

You and everyone in SW i bet, know exactly what i meant by offline co-op so i don't know how your point is relevant to what i posted, since i am also talking about MY experience with Diablo not yours.

You made it sound like D1 and 2 on PC didn't have offline coop when they did.

I didn't make no allusion to that, that was you jumping to conclusion, my post was about Diablo coming to consoles would be the only way i could play it with most of my friends since a lot of them don't even own computers.

Of course it's gonna sound that I'm lying since you assume that i live in the USA and i don't. but whatever back to you since it's not like you know **** of who I am.

what is wrong with wanting to play what will probably be one of the best RPGs of all time in the comfort of my sofa, with surround sound, and big screen TV?RealBongo

There isn't. Thats why you have your PC that can do all of that.

[QUOTE="RealBongo"]what is wrong with wanting to play what will probably be one of the best RPGs of all time in the comfort of my sofa, with surround sound, and big screen TV?XaosII

There isn't. Thats why you have your PC that can do all of that.

I don't think sofa and mouse/keyboard are a very good mix.

EDIT: And before you say, "use a gamepad". No, think how bad D2 would be with a gamepad. Imagine teleporting, or for that matter, the entire sorceress class.

The PS3 doesn't have games like that... it only has Untold Legends and that game is crap.

I will be gettin Diablo III for PC though.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="RealBongo"]what is wrong with wanting to play what will probably be one of the best RPGs of all time in the comfort of my sofa, with surround sound, and big screen TV?MTBare

There isn't. Thats why you have your PC that can do all of that.

I don't think sofa and mouse/keyboard are a very good mix.

And thats why you can use a controller with a PC.

[QUOTE="MTBare"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="RealBongo"]what is wrong with wanting to play what will probably be one of the best RPGs of all time in the comfort of my sofa, with surround sound, and big screen TV?XaosII

There isn't. Thats why you have your PC that can do all of that.

I don't think sofa and mouse/keyboard are a very good mix.

And thats why you can use a controller with a PC.

You beat me, I editted..

EDIT: And before you say, "use a gamepad". No, think how bad D2 would be with a gamepad. Imagine teleporting, or for that matter, the entire sorceress class.

MTBare

I don't think sofa and mouse/keyboard are a very good mix.

MTBare

I hooked my PC to a TV for a laugh one time; it isn't as bad as it sounds, lying on your side with a cushion for your shoulder and the controls on a close table was actually quite comfortable.

For the record, Crysis + 42" HDTV = Win. GOW also got to see 1080p on a TV, something I am sure many 360 fans would have liked to see.

[QUOTE="MTBare"]

I don't think sofa and mouse/keyboard are a very good mix.

AnnoyedDragon

I hooked my PC to a TV for a laugh one time; it isn't as bad as it sounds, lying on your side with a cushion for your shoulder and the controls on a close table was actually quite comfortable.

For the record, Crysis + 42" HDTV = Win. GOW also got to see 1080p on a TV, something I am sure many 360 fans would have liked to see.

If I wasn't so god damn lazy I'd try it.

This is probably one of the sillest questions I see thrown around in here. How doesn't want more games on their primary gaming platform? Who wouldn't want their library expanded? heretrix

It's more of a joke... Most fanboys act like they don't, by flaming every good game on another platform. How long have you been in System Wars? 10 minutes? Sure seems like it.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]This is probably one of the sillest questions I see thrown around in here. How doesn't want more games on their primary gaming platform? Who wouldn't want their library expanded? rolo107

It's more of a joke... Most fanboys act like they don't, by flaming every good game on another platform. How long have you been in System Wars? 10 minutes? Sure seems like it.

They days after the D3 announcement I saw it described in different threads as 'last gen graphics" and "archaic gameplay", now theres all these D3/Blizzard on consoles threads its pretty funny.