Why do devs even bother with the PS3?

Don't get me wrong. I love my PS3 console but if you think about it, why would a non-first party developer bother spending a massive budget and a couple of years on creating a game that is only for the PS3 when they can spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360? It's not as if the PS3 can output visuals that the 360 can't. Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better. I'm guessing that down the line, development costs will be down and it won't take as much time to develop on the PS3 but then again, developing on the 360 will cost even less and take less time to create great games. What do you folks think?

I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.SpruceCaboose

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.MoldOnHold

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

Don't get me wrong. I love my PS3 console but if you think about it, why would a non-first party developer bother spending a massive budget and a couple of years on creating a game that is only for the PS3 when they can spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360? It's not as if the PS3 can output visuals that the 360 can't. Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better. I'm guessing that down the line, development costs will be down and it won't take as much time to develop on the PS3 but then again, developing on the 360 will cost even less and take less time to create great games. What do you folks think?

DaGamingGod

I dont see how you can say that maybe MGS4 could look better on the 360.

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.DaGamingGod

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

:lol: Well played!

That money money, yeah yeah.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.carljohnson3456

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

:lol: Well played!

Btw, After playings MGS4 I came to the conclusion that the 360 could probably produce the same visuals if not a tiny bit better. The game looks nice but it doesn't blow me away really. It's not as if they PS3 has a ton more power than the 360 anyways. Guess we'll only find out if MGS4 is ever released for the 360 which I doubt will happen.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.MoldOnHold

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

Kojima doesn't like the ps3

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.DaGamingGod

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

That money money, yeah yeah.

Blackbond

PS3 has a bigger appeal in Japan and Europe than the 360(and a bigger userbase), so it has the potential to make more money.ChrnoTrigger

Make that 'Japan only'.
In Europe, 360 is slightly more populair then the PS3.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.MoldOnHold

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

Because PS3 is on pace to sell 150,000+ Units in Japan this month.....360....8,000....

Sony will forever have that over microsoft. I dont see them ever breaking into that market. (Its a big one)

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]PS3 has a bigger appeal in Japan and Europe than the 360(and a bigger userbase), so it has the potential to make more money.Sgt_Crow

Make that 'Japan only'.
In Europe, 360 is slightly more populair then the PS3.

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]PS3 has a bigger appeal in Japan and Europe than the 360(and a bigger userbase), so it has the potential to make more money.Sgt_Crow

Make that 'Japan only'.
In Europe, 360 is slightly more populair then the PS3.

How so? Just curious....If I recall theyre on pace for the same amount of units sold in EU....PS3 being out a year less...

360 development isn't much cheaper than PS3 in all aspects. Most exclusive PS3 high budget games are made from the ground up, sporting their own engine. Which takes up a considerable amount of time and money than outsourcing another engine like UnrealE 3.

If more 360 exclusives used their own engine, it could be just as costly. The real question is, why don't more PS3 devs license other engines?

And I can actually answer that, I think its due to PS3's graphics propaganda. UE3 looks great, but it has its limitations. Games like GeOW are as best as you can get with the engine. PS3 devs want to create something more visually stunning, and need to create a new engine to achieve that.

1. Games sell more as multiplats.

2. PS3 exclusives have all sold pretty good with many topping over one million units sold.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]

Don't get me wrong. I love my PS3 console but if you think about it, why would a non-first party developer bother spending a massive budget and a couple of years on creating a game that is only for the PS3 when they can spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360? It's not as if the PS3 can output visuals that the 360 can't. Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better. I'm guessing that down the line, development costs will be down and it won't take as much time to develop on the PS3 but then again, developing on the 360 will cost even less and take less time to create great games. What do you folks think?

carljohnson3456

I dont see how you can say that maybe MGS4 could look better on the 360.

It wouldnt. It would be downgraded by alote. MGS4 isnt GEARS, Bioshock or Mass Effect.,, MGS4 is a complete graphical beast compared to those games. *Spoiler* I dont think the 360 can run act 3 chase scene or act 4 metal gear fight scene. MGS4 shows how much more powerful the PS3 is over the 360 from my comparisons of the two.

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]PS3 has a bigger appeal in Japan and Europe than the 360(and a bigger userbase), so it has the potential to make more money.Sgt_Crow

Make that 'Japan only'.
In Europe, 360 is slightly more populair then the PS3.

The PS3 has a bigger userbase than the 360 in japan :?

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]

Don't get me wrong. I love my PS3 console but if you think about it, why would a non-first party developer bother spending a massive budget and a couple of years on creating a game that is only for the PS3 when they can spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360? It's not as if the PS3 can output visuals that the 360 can't. Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better. I'm guessing that down the line, development costs will be down and it won't take as much time to develop on the PS3 but then again, developing on the 360 will cost even less and take less time to create great games. What do you folks think?

Gamersince81

I dont see how you can say that maybe MGS4 could look better on the 360.

It wouldnt. It would be downgraded by alote. MGS4 isnt GEARS, Bioshock or Mass Effect.,, MGS4 is a complete graphical beast compared to those games. *Spoiler* I dont think the 360 can act 3 chase scene or act 4 metal gear fight scene. MGS4 shows how much more powerful the PS3 is over the 360 from my comparisons of the two.

I wouldnt go that far....but I dont think 360 could streamline MGS4's levels and cutscenes as well as the PS3 did

if mgs4 was to be released on the 360 it would require atleast 5 or 6 dvdsargetlam_28

Like this?

if mgs4 was to be released on the 360 it would require atleast 5 or 6 dvdsargetlam_28

How many great jokes will have to be removed from the 360 version? Good grief. MGS4 isn't just a love letter to fans its a love letter to the playstation brand console.

Don't get me wrong. I love my PS3 console but if you think about it, why would a non-first party developer bother spending a massive budget and a couple of years on creating a game that is only for the PS3 when they can spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360? It's not as if the PS3 can output visuals that the 360 can't. Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better. I'm guessing that down the line, development costs will be down and it won't take as much time to develop on the PS3 but then again, developing on the 360 will cost even less and take less time to create great games. What do you folks think?

DaGamingGod

Because devs go where the money and audience are? ANd the PS3 has been outselling the 360 world wide since launch?

Or because developers look at 360 sales and see that unless they make a shooter or racing game, the 360 audience won't buy the game...so they make other games for PS3?

Or because they LIKE the PS3 and/or their working relationship with Sony?

There are a ton of reasons.

[QUOTE="argetlam_28"]if mgs4 was to be released on the 360 it would require atleast 5 or 6 dvdsBread_or_Decide

How many great jokes will have to be removed from the 360 version? Good grief. MGS4 isn't just a love letter to fans its a love letter to the playstation brand console.

Don't get me wrong. I love my PS3 console but if you think about it, why would a non-first party developer bother spending a massive budget and a couple of years on creating a game that is only for the PS3 when they can spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360? It's not as if the PS3 can output visuals that the 360 can't. Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better. I'm guessing that down the line, development costs will be down and it won't take as much time to develop on the PS3 but then again, developing on the 360 will cost even less and take less time to create great games. What do you folks think?

DaGamingGod

I think you need to back up that statement.

Everything that I've read is the PROBLEM is not as big as you think when making 1st party titles for PS3 right now. How can you get so many great titles from Insomniac or even from Naughty Dog (uncharted was the best game I've played this gen)

The real issue is developers choose to try to port X360 code to the PS3 on multiplatform games.......it's one of the reasons why Sony has been trying to convince everyone to use PS3 as the lead console, this way it's much easier to port the game to X360.

This post is really funny considering you say "spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360".....you really need to back that up.

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[QUOTE="argetlam_28"]if mgs4 was to be released on the 360 it would require atleast 5 or 6 dvdskillerfist

How many great jokes will have to be removed from the 360 version? Good grief. MGS4 isn't just a love letter to fans its a love letter to the playstation brand console.

theyd have to change alot more than that

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="argetlam_28"]if mgs4 was to be released on the 360 it would require atleast 5 or 6 dvdskillerfist

How many great jokes will have to be removed from the 360 version? Good grief. MGS4 isn't just a love letter to fans its a love letter to the playstation brand console.

The joke about rumbled removed. The joke about about disc two removed.

The PS3 and PSP in the plane removed.

because the PS3 is picking up while the 360 is dieing

because they know that Sony support theyre consoles (like PS2 still alive!!!) while M$ drops its consoles very fast (example origina xBox. RIP)

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="argetlam_28"]if mgs4 was to be released on the 360 it would require atleast 5 or 6 dvdsUptown

How many great jokes will have to be removed from the 360 version? Good grief. MGS4 isn't just a love letter to fans its a love letter to the playstation brand console.

theyd have to change alot more than that

The flashback in act 4, removed. It'll make no sense to Xbox fans who never played MGS not to mention their are so many references to snake eater. Bah. Its wasted on the 360.

[QUOTE="Gamersince81"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]

Don't get me wrong. I love my PS3 console but if you think about it, why would a non-first party developer bother spending a massive budget and a couple of years on creating a game that is only for the PS3 when they can spend less cash and less time creating the same game on the 360? It's not as if the PS3 can output visuals that the 360 can't. Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better. I'm guessing that down the line, development costs will be down and it won't take as much time to develop on the PS3 but then again, developing on the 360 will cost even less and take less time to create great games. What do you folks think?

Uptown

I dont see how you can say that maybe MGS4 could look better on the 360.

It wouldnt. It would be downgraded by alote. MGS4 isnt GEARS, Bioshock or Mass Effect.,, MGS4 is a complete graphical beast compared to those games. *Spoiler* I dont think the 360 can act 3 chase scene or act 4 metal gear fight scene. MGS4 shows how much more powerful the PS3 is over the 360 from my comparisons of the two.

I wouldnt go that far....but I dont think 360 could streamline MGS4's levels and cutscenes as well as the PS3 did

Keep it real, the 360 will be three years old this November and there is no game on it that does what MGS4 pulled off. just sayin.The 360 has hundreds of games but noy one does what MGS4 did. Maybe GEARS2 will wow me like MGS4 did.

because the PS3 is picking up while the 360 is dieing

because they know that Sony support theyre consoles (like PS2 still alive!!!) while M$ drops its consoles very fast (example origina xBox. RIP)

samiup

Always put your money in the growing market.

because the PS3 is picking up while the 360 is dieing

because they know that Sony support theyre consoles (like PS2 still alive!!!) while M$ drops its consoles very fast (example origina xBox. RIP)

samiup

that's really only because the PS2 still makes money. the original Xbox never did. i have no doubt that if the PS2 was financially unsuccessful, Sony would drop it like a hot potato.

also, how is the 360 dying?

[QUOTE="Uptown"][QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="argetlam_28"]if mgs4 was to be released on the 360 it would require atleast 5 or 6 dvdsBread_or_Decide

How many great jokes will have to be removed from the 360 version? Good grief. MGS4 isn't just a love letter to fans its a love letter to the playstation brand console.

theyd have to change alot more than that

The flashback in act 4, removed. It'll make no sense to Xbox fans who never played MGS not to mention their are so many references to snake eater. Bah. Its wasted on the 360.

dude! no spoilers! i haven't played it yet ;)

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[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]PS3 has a bigger appeal in Japan and Europe than the 360(and a bigger userbase), so it has the potential to make more money.ChrnoTrigger

Make that 'Japan only'.
In Europe, 360 is slightly more populair then the PS3.

The PS3 has a bigger userbase than the 360 in japan :?

Yes, that's what I said. :roll:
You smart, smart person.

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"][QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]PS3 has a bigger appeal in Japan and Europe than the 360(and a bigger userbase), so it has the potential to make more money.Sgt_Crow

Make that 'Japan only'.
In Europe, 360 is slightly more populair then the PS3.

The PS3 has a bigger userbase than the 360 in japan :?

Yes, that's what I said. :roll:
You smart, smart person.

System wars is great.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.DaGamingGod

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

:lol: Well played!

Btw, After playings MGS4 I came to the conclusion that the 360 could probably produce the same visuals if not a tiny bit better. The game looks nice but it doesn't blow me away really. It's not as if they PS3 has a ton more power than the 360 anyways. Guess we'll only find out if MGS4 is ever released for the 360 which I doubt will happen.

Most devs are proffessionals, not whiny teenagers in their basement. If they can't figure out how to program for a console, and do it quickly and efficiently, they need to reconsider their choice of proffesions.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.darth-pyschosis

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

:lol: Well played!

Btw, After playings MGS4 I came to the conclusion that the 360 could probably produce the same visuals if not a tiny bit better. The game looks nice but it doesn't blow me away really. It's not as if they PS3 has a ton more power than the 360 anyways. Guess we'll only find out if MGS4 is ever released for the 360 which I doubt will happen.

Most devs are proffessionals, not whiny teenagers in their basement. If they can't figure out how to program for a console, and do it quickly and efficiently, they need to reconsider their choice of proffesions.

fiscope

So Valve are a bunch of whiny teenagers in their basement who can't figure out to program for a console and do it quickly and efficently. Seeing that all of their employees should reconsider they choice of profeesion?

[QUOTE="fiscope"]

Most devs are proffessionals, not whiny teenagers in their basement. If they can't figure out how to program for a console, and do it quickly and efficiently, they need to reconsider their choice of proffesions.

Blackbond

So Valve are a bunch of whiny teenagers in their basement who can't figure out to program for a console and do it quickly and efficently. Seeing that all of their employees should reconsider they choice of profeesion?

No Valve are not whiney teenagers. I think that's the point. They're a dev who made a professional decision.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I would guess that the answer is that there is money to be made on the system.Steppy_76

TC, why not ask Hideo Kojima that question?

:lol: Well played!

Btw, After playings MGS4 I came to the conclusion that the 360 could probably produce the same visuals if not a tiny bit better. The game looks nice but it doesn't blow me away really. It's not as if they PS3 has a ton more power than the 360 anyways. Guess we'll only find out if MGS4 is ever released for the 360 which I doubt will happen.

No, I'm not. The hardware scaler in the 360 will upconvert all games to 1080p if that is what you set as your output. The PS3 doesn't scale its entire library to 1080p(it may all the new games, but there are a ton from the early days that won't). MGS4 isn't 1080p, so please tell me where I am confused.

The TC is basically saying "I don't have a PS3 really, so I would like it if MGS4 was to be ported to the 360".

This thread is basically that.

Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better.

DaGamingGod

Care to provide an example?

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

Yeah I didn't think so.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]

Take MGS4 for example. It looks nice but I"m pretty positive that the 360 can output the same visuals. Maybe even better.

OsgoodSchlatter

Care to provide an example?

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

Yeah I didn't think so.