Why do hermits lie so much about PCs hitting 60fps? PC can't do it either, I am exposing the truth!

You have heard consoles can't do 60fps so many times, you have accepted it as the truth. You've also heard so many times that PC gamers play at 60fps and that is actually baby stuff, they go all the way to 144fps, lol at consoles 30fps, right?

It's a lie because there is a double standard.

On the PC side when a videocard for example the 1070 averages 60 fps on a game, they put it on the big nice charts showing that it runs the game at 60 fps. They don't talk about all of the drops in the 50s and even 40s. Sometimes you get drops in the 30s or 20s depending on the game. These are small drops and the game still averages 60fps little is made of it.

On a console, the game has to be LOCKED AT 60fps WITHOUT DROPPING A SINGLE FAME! Even if it drops one frame, you hear about it. If it drops in the low 50s or maybe 40s then they say it's a joke an not really 60fps.

If you want to be consistent, then all of those charts showing videocards running games at 60fps must be ignored because they are not accurate if you go by the console standard.

I think that is a bit of an exaggeration. People would be quite happy if consoles only dropped a frame here or there.

@Xplode_games: Most people when they are talking about 60 fps on PC mean 60 fps minimum (or locked when you use Vsync) or at most small momentary drops to mid 50s.

Of course not all cards can do this at all settings and at all resolutions. However a big difference is that most PC CPUs, even ones from 6-7 years ago, are significantly better than the ones on consoles, even on Xbox One X.

That means that games that are 30 fps on consoles due to CPU limitations can more easily run 60 on PC, even if the graphics card is comparable with console GPU.

OP is clearly desperate

I was on your side in the last thread but this is just sad...

Just one failure thread after another.

"sigh", drops can be remedied by adjusting the settings to be more efficient, you cannot with a console, hens 60fps is more achievable on PC.

Also most current gen games on console are locked at 30fps, the ones that are not are either HD remasters of last gen games or graphically weak games like Rocket League or Overwatch (side from Persona 5, the game is not graphically straining yet the PS4 still can get it locked at 60fps, pretty pathetic) and games on consoles DO dip to the lower 40s, look at Final Fantasy 15, how often does that game stay at 60fps on the PS4 Pro?

OP also forgets that a GPU like a GTX 1070 combined with a decent mid ranged CPU like an i5 can smoke consoles in raw power, Making attaining 60fps on PCs effortless. 144fps with a GTX 1070 is also possible (but with weaker games, which from a technical stand point isn't really all that impressive, but then again can consoles achieve fps higher than 60fps? yeah thats what I thought).

Seriously what do those black bars even mean?!?!?! Im so confused.

@dxmcat said:

Seriously what do those black bars even mean?!?!?! Im so confused.

Damn... the 970 is really starting to show its age..

Why the f*ck are the 1070s so ridiculously priced...

They have to achieve 60fps first...lol

@MBirdy88: 45 fps minimum on ultra settings and 1440p is not bad at all for GTX 970. Of course Battlefield 1 is famous for how well optimized it is but still impressive. You can probably hit 60 at 1080p on high.

Thank you Xplode_Games, for showing everyone the TRUTH!

lol

Holy shit, you are an idiot. Not only did you not know what you were talking about in your other thread, it's like you had to stop-and-top yourself.

@Xplode_games: Depends on the resolution. For instance, I can play almost everything at 60fps above @1440p on my i5 6600K/GTX 1070. You can have 60fps in almost every game with a GTX 1060 with my same setup if you drop some settings to keep it up in 60fps.

I can already tell you don't have enough experience how PC gaming works cause it showing you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Hermits aren't lying. We always have the option to drop from 4K ultra, all the way down to 720p low, or somewhere in between in order to acheive 60 fps.

Consoles get zero choice. Or a bad choice between 30 fps 4K checkerboard or random 45-60 fps 1080p. IF you're lucky.

@Xplode_games: Sure, plenty of PC gamers lie and exaggerate their actual gaming performance. I've seen it many times on this board. That doesn't make console gamers sub 1080p, 30fps games any better... Just take what the devs give you and be happy with it. If not, build a gaming PC. But what you're doing now is not the way to go about any of this.

I was just told in other post in this forum that Im not a pc gamer since my pc parts are 1050ti g4560 8gb ddr4.

I was told unless I play all games 1080p 60fps Im not part of pc gamers.

@dxmcat said:

Seriously what do those black bars even mean?!?!?! Im so confused.

/thread

Really though, troll topic aside, the only time I see 60fps on PC is when I'm playing a fighting game, or other games meant to be locked at 60. Otherwise, well above 60.

But can you build a gaming rig that's not 2.000 dollars ?

"PC can't do it either, I am exposing the truth!"

This sounds like a crazed religious fanatic handing out flyers on sidewalk. Of course PCs *CAN* do 60FPS, and they can do it locked. It depends entirely on your build, the game's limits, and the graphical settings you choose.

After the last thread he created which was just as wrong and where he never replied, I just assume TC is a troll

There is a difference between playing games on a PC and claiming PC Master Race. PC Master Race is about certain standards and superiority over the consoles. You don't claim PCMR if you are rocking console quality.

I like the heat PC gaming is getting latetly for SWs sake but unlike past glorious console days todays arguments sound weird and feel off.

Anyways this is bait thread so i wont say the obvious, all im saying is ... as PC gamer since late 90s i dont remember ever playing a game on any rig i ever had at 30fps and its sad seeing 30fps games on consoles in 2017. Nuff said.

@MBirdy88 said:

@dxmcat said:

Seriously what do those black bars even mean?!?!?! Im so confused.

Damn... the 970 is really starting to show its age..

Why the f*ck are the 1070s so ridiculously priced...

The 970 is still a decent card. I would still hold on to it until the 11 or 12 series if anyone was looking into upgrading there GPU. Playing games in 1080p@60fps on medium, most games look pretty good anyway. It's hard to not be a stickler about having maxed graphics and maxed framerates (whatever that is for you). I admire a couple of friends I have that are still using older hardware and still playing new games without complaining. 970 are legendary GPU.

@davillain- said:

@MBirdy88 said:

@dxmcat said:

Seriously what do those black bars even mean?!?!?! Im so confused.

Damn... the 970 is really starting to show its age..

Why the f*ck are the 1070s so ridiculously priced...

The 970 is still a decent card. I would still hold on to it until the 11 or 12 series if anyone was looking into upgrading there GPU. Playing games in 1080p@60fps on medium, most games look pretty good anyway. It's hard to not be a stickler about having maxed graphics and maxed framerates (whatever that is for you). I admire a couple of friends I have that are still using older hardware and still playing new games without complaining. 970 are legendary GPU.

Yea it's not bad, I just can't justify the cost of upgrading to a 1070... which feels like its been on the market forever and still that price.

Using a 2k monitor however its more noticable, though G Sync helps abit.... and the 4K TV downstairs... things have changed, 970 is lacking :( ...

hoping the 1170 will be better value.

Oh no, drops occasionally to 50.

Better than dropping to 20.

Console gamers have so low standards.

Well Sony and MS should force developers to use 60 FPS.

I bet 95% of developers do not play consoles.

But he did reply plenty of times, just with more non-sense

He is definitely a troll/shit poster. I admire his dedication though. hehe :)

What a shit thread.

Is accusing a fanboy group as "lying" considered trolling?

What are you exposing?

I let the framerate counter on many of my screenshots speak for themselves.

FAME

The truth. That you obviously can't handle

Why is it sad, just listen for a second here? My main point is this, there is a double standard between consoles and PCs when it comes to 60 fps. When showing if a card can hit 60 fps in some 4k game for example, you see someone showing links to websites that test a card with a few gaming benchmarks. Those charts show the average fps. You never see here people even showing for example if a game can hit 60fps in the 99th percentile. That would be a lot more fair. It's just flat average fps.

On a console there is another standard. Look at the digital foundry Tomb Raider video where they mention that in the high fps mode of the X1X version there are drops sometimes as low as low 50s. On here the conclusion is that the game can't run at 60fps because the X1X GPU is dogsh@t. Well, that just means the X1X CPU can't run it at a locked minimum 60fps without dropping a single frame but it is certainly running the game easily at a minimum of 60fps average. At least in that little demo they tested.

You don't think that is a double standard? In other words, why on the consoles do we only look at MINIMUM fps and on PC we look at the average fps? There is a significant difference there and double standard don't you think?

I'm not saying the X1X CPU is great, that's not the point. It's definitely a low end CPU. Imagine now putting it against top flight CPUs and testing the console to a much tougher standard, don't you think the CPU will seem even worse? It's dishonest and hermits have been getting away with that on this forum for too long.

@MBirdy88: Due to the Crypto Mining which is causing GPU prices skyrocket, you're better off just buying a decent 1080 for around $500 vs paying 1070 $450 and up. I paid my 1070 $420 back when they were new before the mining start. Yeah I just go with a 1080 at this point for around $500.

Edit: I have heard Nvidia might launch 1070Ti later and if this is true, we could see those 1070 prices lower so that's also a possibility.

Well this is a new low. Way to go, TC.

This is a ridiculous uninformed post all around. Let me start by answering the last question which is the most ignorant one. Console don't go over 60 fps because they are using vsync which is obviously set to 60 due to most televisions refreshing at 60 hz. On the PC side, you have monitors that refresh up to 144hz so it's a different story.

You don't even answer my main point which is that there is a double standard. If a console game can't hit a locked 60 fps in a game, don't come and say look how easy these PCs can hit 60 when you're only showing a chart showing the average fps. The average fps is not the MINIMUM WITHOUT DROPPING A FRAME fps.

What are your minimum fps in Ghost Recon Wildlands?

Most benchmarks usually show the minimum framerate as well.

It is nice to see that the upcoming X1X release seems to have caused Xbox fanboys to grow some balls

Now, where's LoosingENDS

@blue_hazy_basic said:

@Xplode_games said:

On a console, the game has to be LOCKED AT 60fps WITHOUT DROPPING A SINGLE FAME! Even if it drops one frame, you hear about it. If it drops in the low 50s or maybe 40s then they say it's a joke an not really 60fps.

You haven't heard anyone say consoles can't do 60fps on this forum? Did you see the thread with the digital foundry analysis of Tomb Raider demo running on the X1X? They showed the high fps mode which was a locked 60fps for 99% of the demo. In some demanding parts it dropped to low 50s maybe once a little lower on rare ocassions. If the X1X didn't have vsync enable and they ran a benchmark on that demo, it would probably get an average of over 60fps. Yet the consensus here was that the X1X can't run games at 60fps due to it's crappy CPU.

Now combine that with those here recommending cheap X1X beating PC builds that have crap CPUs to keep the price down. Then they show benchmarks that give average fps and use minimum i7 processors for the test. Then they say the X1X can't run games at 60fps. There's a double standard.

"The Witcher 2 looks better on Xbox!"

I miss him and his 20 page troll threads. Good times.

@loosingENDS We miss you.

I think OP and protossrush are related somehow