Why do most Japanese Games have White Guys as the Protagonists?

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#1 accameron
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It really doesnt make sense to me. Japanese games almost ALWAYS have white characters, and no asians. The protagonists are almost never asian in appearance, even though the creators of the game are Japanese. Tons of blonde people in their games. Why is this? Is there a "white" obsession in Japan? And the list goes on and on.....

Mario, Princess Peach

Link (he is an elf or something, but still looks white, Zelda is certainly white)

Samus

MANY of the Final Fantasy Characters== total white boys

Solid Snake (I know, he is half Japanese, half American or somethiing, but he looks white), almost all the other MGS characters are white

Devil May Cry dude

Almost ALL of the Resident Evil Characters (in fact, most Capcom games are full of whites)

Castlevania dudes

Many many more that I am not thinking about right now......

Seriously, other than a couple JRPG characters, the Street Fighter folks, and Ryu Hyabusa, I am having trouble coming up with Japanese protagonists in Japanese games.

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#2 accameron
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anyone? I would actually like to play a japanese/asian character, but there are not too many out there, especially among Japanese devs.
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#3 HermitCommando
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I want to say something really funny, but I'd get banned.
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#4 Timstuff
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Because white guys are sexy.
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#5 organic_machine
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Well, I am sure there are PLENTY of Japanese game designers here on SW who could tell you. :roll:
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#6 accameron
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Well, I am sure there are PLENTY of Japanese game designers here on SW who could tell you. :roll:organic_machine

Really? Well if one of them is reading this, why are all of your game characters freaking white dudes?

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#7 _Dielan_
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What about ammerican devs with their "Character creation" engines.

Who the hell has green skin and red cornrows anyway?

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#8 Sonic_on_crack
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I have no idea honestly , for a country of asians you sure dont see a lot of Samanukes running around in Japanese games.
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#9 O_Lineman17
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What about ammerican devs with their "Character creation" engines.

Who the hell has green skin and red cornrows anyway?

_Dielan_

A Pimpin orc, that's who :P

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#10 GGNoRematch
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because they want there games to apeal to americans more maybe?

heck I dono

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#11 Timstuff
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What about ammerican devs with their "Character creation" engines.

Who the hell has green skin and red cornrows anyway?

_Dielan_

Not sure about the cornrows, but...

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#12 evilross
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I think the more appropriate question would be why do most Japanese games have white guys that look like white girls as the protagonist

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#13 _Dielan_
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[QUOTE="_Dielan_"]

What about ammerican devs with their "Character creation" engines.

Who the hell has green skin and red cornrows anyway?

Timstuff

Not sure about the cornrows, but...

*claps*

TEN POINTS

That was a good one.

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#14 GGNoRematch
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I think the more appropriate question would be why do most Japanese games have white guys that look like white girls as the protagonist

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#15 7thSIN
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i remember reading an article awhile ago about this actually. Said something about Japanese getting alot of inspiration from western culture movies and characters.

Another thing, atleast this is what ive heard from a couple japanese frineds ive had over the years. They've both told me alot of the japanese youth try to break the mold of being japanese, which in turn is what makes them japanese.

If that makes any sense.

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#16 accameron
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because they want there games to apeal to americans more maybe?

heck I dono

GGNoRematch

Yeah, but Japanese gamers also love the games I mentioned in the OP. They love white guys, I guess. No Idea why, though.

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#17 The_Ish
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What about ammerican devs with their "Character creation" engines.

Who the hell has green skin and red cornrows anyway?

_Dielan_

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#18 Dante2710
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cuz white people are t3h sexay *points to self* yeah!!!
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#19 maabus99
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Having a "white" skin color from their history is considered to be "high class", that is why women painted themselves with white makeup within royal courts. This may translate over to gaming as they can make things "ideal" versus "reality", so they have white skin complexion with asian features.
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#20 HarlockJC
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I read somewhere way back about Jappanesse animes not games but it may be the same reason. It that when they draw the people it looks better on the screen then any other colors. It went into a lot more detail than that and sounded a lot better.
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#21 copperheadfang
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Shenmue, Onimusha, Yakuza, Dynasty Warriors, Genji, These all have asian protagonist. Basically it seems like if the premise isn't about Japaneses histroy or if the game isn't set in Japan they wont make the characters asian.
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#22 AlbertChai
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Maybe it's because Japan's economy was controlled by Western country before or something like that? The designer or developer are trained and only allowed to draw white dudes at that time, so all the characters in the early anime TOTALLY looks like western ppl. Even after they are free from any western 'influence', they still retain some of their old habits and design.

I heard it somewhere else but forgot where. This is just what I heard, don't know if it's true or not

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#23 evilross
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Maybe it's because Japan's economy was controlled by Western country before or something like that? The designer or developer are trained and only allowed to draw white dudes at that time, so all the characters in the early anime TOTALLY looks like western ppl. Even after they are free from any western 'influence', they still retain some of their old habits and design.

I heard it somewhere else but forgot where. This is just what I heard, don't know if it's true or not

AlbertChai

uhh.. yea... im glad you said you "heard it somewhere" then followed with a disclaimer. Thats total nonsense.

Sounds like some propaganda an ex-hippie, socialist, anti-US, high school teacher would tell you.

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#24 copperheadfang
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Maybe it's because Japan's economy was controlled by Western country before or something like that? The designer or developer are trained and only allowed to draw white dudes at that time, so all the characters in the early anime TOTALLY looks like western ppl. Even after they are free from any western 'influence', they still retain some of their old habits and design.

I heard it somewhere else but forgot where. This is just what I heard, don't know if it's true or not

AlbertChai

Thats total rubbish they could make every game with an asian charaacter maybe the Japanese just like American characters like Solid Snake is that so crazy?

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#25 WilliamRLBaker
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Well first off its not white guys.

Alot of JRPGS had characters with very anime looks and japanese anime characters dont usually look japanese, Recent JRPGS specially by square have a main character that instead look like an emo, or metro sexual japanese guy, which usually have a whiter tone then most japanese men, and such.
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#26 a_ratchet_fan
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To put them in ****ed up situations. I mean, it's only been 50-60 years since... well, you know... :evil: If you can't make tha white man suffer for his sins in real life, screw him over virtually! ;)

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#27 eddy_of_york
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I think it would speak to the ability of the japanese to be less caught up in such matters.
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#28 deactivated-600fd0017f1ba
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I think the more appropriate question would be why do most Japanese games have white guys that look like white girls as the protagonist

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LOL :lol:

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#29 SillyManimal
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I think most JRPGs have that anime style and if you look at anime, most of the characters don't look Asian.
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i remember reading an article awhile ago about this actually. Said something about Japanese getting alot of inspiration from western culture movies and characters.

Another thing, atleast this is what ive heard from a couple japanese frineds ive had over the years. They've both told me alot of the japanese youth try to break the mold of being japanese, which in turn is what makes them japanese.

If that makes any sense.

7thSIN

I think there might be something to that. Japanese culture loves to take things from other cultures, even thoughJapan is protectionist to the point of total xenophobia, even though they are very kind to foreigners (in general, lol). The japanese perfect things better than they innovate. King Kong had to come out before Gojira could, Walt Disney had tocreate mickey mouse and bambi before Osamu Tezuka could make astro boy and kimba the white lion (which disney corp ripped off a bit to make Lion King, ironically).

So, maybe they have white protagonists as a way of appropriating western culture, and making it their own. You have to admit that the japanese conception of white people is a bit twisted.eg. we have different colours of hair,yes, but not blue or pink

Also, they want to make it clear that the whole thing is white, but more importantly not Japanese, maybe keeping the separation between the two cultures, rather than just letting western culture steamroll them completely and they convert to it entirely. Just my impression, based on some discussions I had a with a Japaneseperson in university and my experience with their culture. (edit: experience with their culture through games, tv, and movies, etc.)

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#31 Spartan_024
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The protagonist in Lost Odyssey looks asian though...but this a new game coming out. The old games main character always looked caucasian.
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#32 GunSmith1_basic
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and then there's somebody like Ryu from street fighter. He is japanese, but he looks white
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#33 ken_gamer
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I think it's because of the influence of their medieval-ish themes. Normally I wouldn't throw an Asian character into a Western-themed world. It'd look out of place if I threw a white character who uses fans and chopsticks as weapons into China. Sure they could make Asian protagonists, but it depends on the kind of world they're trying to portray. If they're going to create a world based on Norse mythology, again you wouldn't throw an Asian protagonist in there for the sake of it. Besides I'm not aware of many Japanese or Chinese mythologies that are similar to Western ones.

Also because in anime, it's nice to have the freedom to give your characters whatever hair color there is. It'd be pretty bland if everyone had black hair, or everyone had blond hair, especially in a fantasy world. It'd probably work if you want to make it as close to real life as possible.

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#34 ken_gamer
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and then there's somebody like Ryu from street fighter. He is japanese, but he looks whiteGunSmith1_basic
That's just because of the hair color. In some iterations he's got brown hair. Color it black and he won't look white. Color it yellow and he'll look white.

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#35 ken_gamer
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Well first off its not white guys.

Alot of JRPGS had characters with very anime looks and japanese anime characters dont usually look japanese, Recent JRPGS specially by square have a main character that instead look like an emo, or metro sexual japanese guy, which usually have a whiter tone then most japanese men, and such.
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#36 Jynxzor
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I bet it's just overal easier to design a fair skined person with general features rather than a asian person, also most asians have fairly similar features, caucasians come in every shape size and hair color under the sun, could also be from this variaty standpoint...it's hard to guess really, go ask one sometime.
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#37 dispator
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Maybe couse they like to parody white people in their work!

Just saying most of JRPG chars are white but look and actreally Gay and im not talking happy!:twisted:

But probably its couse they want their games to have a more massive appeal.

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#38 Riverwolf007
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What about ammerican devs with their "Character creation" engines.

Who the hell has green skin and red cornrows anyway?

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#39 FrozenLiquid
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Never really understood it, but yeah.

Anime characters with overly large eyes?

Westernized, yet oriental designs?

I've heard one account from Asia itself that the Japanese have sort of envied the West. Well, they were majorly influenced by the Brits back in the days. Perhaps they still aspire to be a superpower like most Western countries have been?

I wouldn't know for sure, but they're still pretty influential in terms of technology.

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#40 FrozenLiquid
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Maybe couse they like to parody white people in their work!

Just saying most of JRPG chars are white but look and actreally Gay and im not talking happy!:twisted:

But probably its couse they want their games to have a more massive appeal.

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Being metrosexual is the in look in the young Tokyo generation dude.

It's getting a pretty big following in the West too.

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#41 CQCmasta
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Genji

Onimunisha

Ninja Gaiden

Shenmue

Dynasty Warriors

FFVII

FFX

Shin Megami

Tekken

Virtua Fighter

Dragon Quest VIII

DOA

Shadow of the Colossus (well more like eurasian)

ico (again eurasian)

Soul Cailbur

Fatal Frame

all have asian protagonist

alot of the time they just look white because of their big eyes but that is just a anime design or sometimes like in FFXII white people just suit the setting.

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#42 Eponique
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Because the Protagonists in Japanese games are Japanese? Which would mean they're not black?
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Because an Italian Plumber is simply that much more charming than an Asian Sharecropper.
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#44 ken_gamer
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Because the Protagonists in Japanese games are Japanese? Which would mean they're not black?Eponique
That didn't make sense.
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#45 Rahnyc4
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 yeah! these guys look like white guys to me........
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Well the white skin isn't really the issue (many Japanese people have quite fair skin) but the characters can sometime look quite Caucasian. I'm guessing it's to do with fitting in better with the setting, most of which are fantastical. Then again many characters do look quite Asian (Cloud and Tifa in their advent children incarnations for example) Though the hair colour does tend to have more variety then it should. Still what annoys me more is why the hell are Ubisofts Middle Eastern characters (the Prince from PoP and Altier from AC) white?
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It is because they are designing the Characters so that it will be accepted in the west.
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Because the Protagonists in Japanese games are Japanese? Which would mean they're not black?Eponique

read the damn post. the TC wasnt talking about black people at all you overpersumist racist.

go hide behind mario more please.

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#49 ken_gamer
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Well the white skin isn't really the issue (many Japanese people have quite fair skin) but the characters can sometime look quite Caucasian. I'm guessing it's to do with fitting in better with the setting, most of which are fantastical. Then again many characters do look quite Asian (Cloud and Tifa in their advent children incarnations for example) Though the hair colour does tend to have more variety then it should. Still what annoys me more is why the hell are Ubisofts Middle Eastern characters (the Prince from PoP and Altier from AC) white?Luigi_Vincetana
You know not all Middle Eastern people have dark skin. I've seen plenty of Iranians and Iraqis here who look white.
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#50 Rahnyc4
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Well the white skin isn't really the issue (many Japanese people have quite fair skin) but the characters can sometime look quite Caucasian. I'm guessing it's to do with fitting in better with the setting, most of which are fantastical. Then again many characters do look quite Asian (Cloud and Tifa in their advent children incarnations for example) Though the hair colour does tend to have more variety then it should. Still what annoys me more is why the hell are Ubisofts Middle Eastern characters (the Prince from PoP and Altier from AC) white?Luigi_Vincetana
actually most japanese are like a odd brown skin, when compared to chinese. chinese people are more fair skin, while most japanese are like a darker shade.