Why do people call Halo generic if...

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

Im more surprised the cows still haven't realized KZ2 is generic because of its graphics

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

mr_poodles123

Im more surprised the cows still haven't realized KZ2 is generic because of its graphics

DoomZaW

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mr_poodles123"]

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="mr_poodles123"]

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

sSubZerOo

Ill admit that mc isnt the deepest character, but the story of Halo is one of the most complex ones Ive experienced in an FPS...

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mr_poodles123"]

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

Ill admit that mc isnt the deepest character, but the story of Halo is one of the most complex ones Ive experienced in an FPS...

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] .. No it didn't..And its generic because the character is one of the most one dimensional characters out there in green moto cross gear.. Now this isn't suggesting that its a bad game.. Its story or lack of it to me is really dumb like most FPS's, not worth making a movie on it.. Its just like the stupid idea of making a movie for WoW.sSubZerOo

Halo isn't that generic compared to shooters that try to seem real. Why? Everyone is trying to be real and use real weapons, real vehicles and real situations. If you use creativity then there will be a lesser chance for you to be generic or be like everyone else. Halo games are fantasy which allows for fantasy weapons, vehicles and situations. To call any fantasy shooter generic (unless it's a rip off) is idiotic considering that none of the weapons, vehicles or situations are used in any other game.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] .. No it didn't..And its generic because the character is one of the most one dimensional characters out there in green moto cross gear.. Now this isn't suggesting that its a bad game.. Its story or lack of it to me is really dumb like most FPS's, not worth making a movie on it.. Its just like the stupid idea of making a movie for WoW.sSubZerOo

Ill admit that mc isnt the deepest character, but the story of Halo is one of the most complex ones Ive experienced in an FPS...

well yea I guess essentially, but it isnt like anyone is saying that Halo offers as deep of a story experience that you can find in a JRPG. No FPS's have always tended to be more gameplay oriented over story oriented, but you said that it was lacking in the story department, which it isnt at al.

Halo isn't that generic compared to shooters that try to seem real. Why? Everyone is trying to be real and use real weapons, real vehicles and real situations. If you use creativity then there will be a lesser chance for you to be generic or be like everyone else. Halo games are fantasy which allows for fantasy weapons, vehicles and situations. To call any fantasy shooter generic (unless it's a rip off) is idiotic considering that none of the weapons, vehicles or situations are used in any other game.

boredy-Mcbored

Because using the word 'generic' is fun and cool. :P

Halo isn't that generic compared to shooters that try to seem real. Why? Everyone is trying to be real and use real weapons, real vehicles and real situations. If you use creativity then there will be a lesser chance for you to be generic or be like everyone else. Halo games are fantasy which allows for fantasy weapons, vehicles and situations. To call any fantasy shooter generic (unless it's a rip off) is idiotic considering that none of the weapons, vehicles or situations are used in any other game.

boredy-Mcbored

It takes a bit more than that. Halo does do some pretty severe sampling from a long sci-fi tradition (which Bungie themselves admit).

The concept of a generic game predates Halo. :PDanm_999

10K coming soon!!! Halo had the first excellent co-op multiplayer for campaign.

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Halo isn't that generic compared to shooters that try to seem real. Why? Everyone is trying to be real and use real weapons, real vehicles and real situations. If you use creativity then there will be a lesser chance for you to be generic or be like everyone else. Halo games are fantasy which allows for fantasy weapons, vehicles and situations. To call any fantasy shooter generic (unless it's a rip off) is idiotic considering that none of the weapons, vehicles or situations are used in any other game.

sSubZerOo

No other game does it. Generic game? No. Generic scifi plot? Yep.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

Halo isn't that generic compared to shooters that try to seem real. Why? Everyone is trying to be real and use real weapons, real vehicles and real situations. If you use creativity then there will be a lesser chance for you to be generic or be like everyone else. Halo games are fantasy which allows for fantasy weapons, vehicles and situations. To call any fantasy shooter generic (unless it's a rip off) is idiotic considering that none of the weapons, vehicles or situations are used in any other game.

boredy-Mcbored

No other game does it. Generic game? No. Generic scifi plot? Yep.

Starsiege: Tribes

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Doom

Off the top of my head. All games which feature some form of super soldier or space marine against hordes of parasitic/utterly alien intelligent invaders.

[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

Halo isn't that generic compared to shooters that try to seem real. Why? Everyone is trying to be real and use real weapons, real vehicles and real situations. If you use creativity then there will be a lesser chance for you to be generic or be like everyone else. Halo games are fantasy which allows for fantasy weapons, vehicles and situations. To call any fantasy shooter generic (unless it's a rip off) is idiotic considering that none of the weapons, vehicles or situations are used in any other game.

Danm_999

It takes a bit more than that. Halo does do some pretty severe sampling from a long sci-fi tradition (which Bungie themselves admit).

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[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

Halo isn't that generic compared to shooters that try to seem real. Why? Everyone is trying to be real and use real weapons, real vehicles and real situations. If you use creativity then there will be a lesser chance for you to be generic or be like everyone else. Halo games are fantasy which allows for fantasy weapons, vehicles and situations. To call any fantasy shooter generic (unless it's a rip off) is idiotic considering that none of the weapons, vehicles or situations are used in any other game.

boredy-Mcbored

It takes a bit more than that. Halo does do some pretty severe sampling from a long sci-fi tradition (which Bungie themselves admit).

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Even if they rip off of numerous other settings? I mean the marines looks exactly like the marines from the movie Aliens.. So does the drop ship.. The vast majority of their ideals are nothing new.. Yet again not saying its a bad game, the multiplayer was really fun.. But I think the story was quite average and there was really nothing really unique about it over any other scifi universe..Danm_999

No other game does it. Generic game? No. Generic scifi plot? Yep.

Starsiege: Tribes

System Shock 2

Doom

Off the top of my head. All games which feature some form of super soldier or space marine against hordes of parasitic/utterly alien intelligent invaders.

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[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

No other game does it. Generic game? No. Generic scifi plot? Yep.

boredy-Mcbored

Starsiege: Tribes

System Shock 2

Doom

Off the top of my head. All games which feature some form of super soldier or space marine against hordes of parasitic/utterly alien intelligent invaders.

Its probably because Halo is kinda the standard AAA shooter. It really hasnt changed since part 1. Nonstop-Madness

Gameplay - the weapon set is completely revamped, you now have no shields and there's med kits, there's a new visr mode and world map on the menu screen, complete open world, new HUD, no dual wielding or equipment, different physics (no floaty jumping), silenced weapons add new stealth elements

Story - New story structure focusing on flashbacks and ;'clues' that you can approach in any order, completely new set of characters and events

And then there's the new Firefight mode with 5 maps as well. Halo is no Call of Duty or Guitar Hero, after the end of the original, planned trilogy it has evolved significantly. Wars was completely new to the Halo franchise, ODST plays quite a bit differently to 3 and Reach will most likely be some sort of co-op focused game from the look of it; more like Left 4 Dead.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Similarity in weapons, vehicles, situations is not usually what gets a game the generic label (not from the objective people anyway).

It takes a bit more than that. Halo does do some pretty severe sampling from a long sci-fi tradition (which Bungie themselves admit).

Danm_999

I don't know about you but I don't play many FPS' for story. If you ask me almost every FPS has the same Aliens/Military/Government vs Humans/Good guys/Rebel plot. Gameplay should be the thing that separate game A from B. The guns and vehicles are part of gameplay. Therefore those are what make games different from other games. It's not the only factor but it's a major one for the FPS genre.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Starsiege: Tribes

System Shock 2

Doom

Off the top of my head. All games which feature some form of super soldier or space marine against hordes of parasitic/utterly alien intelligent invaders.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Its probably because Halo is kinda the standard AAA shooter. It really hasnt changed since part 1. angelkimne

Gameplay - the weapon set is completely revamped, you now have no shields and there's med kits, there's a new visr mode and world map on the menu screen, complete open world, new HUD, no dual wielding or equipment, different physics (no floaty jumping), silenced weapons add new stealth elements

Story - New story structure focusing on flashbacks and ;'clues' that you can approach in any order, completely new set of characters and events

And then there's the new Firefight mode with 5 maps as well. Halo is no Call of Duty or Guitar Hero, after the end of the original, planned trilogy it has evolved significantly. Wars was completely new to the Halo franchise, ODST plays quite a bit differently to 3 and Reach will most likely be some sort of co-op focused game from the look of it; more like Left 4 Dead.

In this regard I think Halo does told stronger to its foundations over 3 titles, similar to the Call of Duty games - to be honest both have branched out over the years, but stuck very firmly to their roots.... for better or worse.

ODST looks very interesting - i like the changes -, and potentially great at that, but I think its to little to late.
Its almost like tentative baby steps, I think the changes echo this, to be honest.

Saying that its hard for a shooter, let alone a successful game hit a true stage of evolution in between titles, and remain as good as its predecessor.

People mainly call Halo generic because of its popularity. Haters gotta have a reason for hating buddy!

The concept of a generic game predates Halo. :PDanm_999

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Im more surprised the cows still haven't realized KZ2 is generic because of its graphics

Nonstop-Madness

It's not generic it's ovverated and milked...

It's not generic it's ovverated and milked...

ps3wizard45

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"][QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Im more surprised the cows still haven't realized KZ2 is generic because of its graphics

mrarmyman48

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

It's not generic it's ovverated and milked...

foxhound_fox

It isn't really generic, it's just a little stagnated that's all. The majority of FPS these days take at least a couple of elements from a halo game, and in some ways those shooters have surpassed Halo in terms of design. Or rather, it isn't bad design as much as it is stuck in a rut, because of the desire to please fans and the sheer lack of development time, Bungie has only been able to refine, and have therefore innovated very little in the series.

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

Im more surprised the cows still haven't realized KZ2 is generic because of its graphics

Nonstop-Madness

Just because you suck at something doesn't mean it's bad..\

[QUOTE="mr_poodles123"]

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

sSubZerOo

Yeah...because Warcraft doesn't have story...*facepalm* Go do some reading on the Warcraft story, instead of playing WoW, you won't learn anything of Warcraft story in WoW.

Yeah...because Warcraft doesn't have story...*facepalm* Go do some reading on the Warcraft story, instead of playing WoW, you won't learn anything of Warcraft story in WoW.

araksik

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

mr_poodles123

Because everything that had been done in halo had been done in tons of video games before. And because everything about halo's setting and plot are generic sci-fi elements doens in tons of films, books, and shows in the past 60 years.

Why do people call halo generic if it was the game that created generic, therefore it isn't generic.

And because everything about halo's setting and plot are generic sci-fi elements doens in tons of films, books, and shows in the past 60 years.

goblaa

uh you can say the same for about 99% of sci fi games

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And because everything about halo's setting and plot are generic sci-fi elements doens in tons of films, books, and shows in the past 60 years.

butteater86

uh you can say the same for about 99% of sci fi games

Ok. Still no less generic.

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[QUOTE="goblaa"]

And because everything about halo's setting and plot are generic sci-fi elements doens in tons of films, books, and shows in the past 60 years.

goblaa

uh you can say the same for about 99% of sci fi games

Ok. Still no less generic.