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#1 MirkoS77
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It's some of the best I've ever seen in any game.....what's the problem?

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#2 ultraking
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people dislike the shooting? First ive heard about this
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#3 deactivated-5d7fb49ded561
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The only people that hate on The Last of Us are the ones that have never played it

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#4 Kaz4president
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It's some of the best I've ever seen in any game.....what's the problem?

MirkoS77
? huh? who disliked the shooting? are you making this up?
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#5 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

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#6 lx_theo
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I met someone on another forum who was talkign about how the whole game was subpar, with the gunplay being "clunky". It was interesting, given after some conversation they revealed they only played the first couple hours of the game.

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#7 MirkoS77
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Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

seanmcloughlin

So it's only in the beginning.  I can admit that it's a bit slow but I prefer the shooting here to any dedicated shooter made so far.

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#8 Chris_Williams
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"shrugs", never heard of this complaint before, the shooting actually feels satisfying especially the shotgun and arrows

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#9 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

MirkoS77

So it's only in the beginning.  I can admit that it's a bit slow but I prefer the shooting here to any dedicated shooter made so far.

It gets a lot better but yeah at first it's clunky cos of sway and shit like that

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Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

seanmcloughlin
Thats how I felt. At least until I got the upgrade, then it felt a lot better.
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#11 Rattlesnake_8
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people dislike the shooting? First ive heard about thisultraking
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#12 Chris_Williams
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Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

seanmcloughlin
I didn't know Joel was a expert with guns
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Ridiculous sway in the beginning. Once you upgrade, it gets better.

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i have not played it yet but from what i have seen in vids it looks great.

innaccurate and not very effective.

just like it would be if you had multiple monsters running at you.

looks almost like a sim.

maybe that why it gets on some peoples nerves.

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#15 Kaze_no_Mirai
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

Chris_Williams
I didn't know Joel was a expert with guns

He is isn't he?
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#16 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

seanmcloughlin

So it's only in the beginning.  I can admit that it's a bit slow but I prefer the shooting here to any dedicated shooter made so far.

It gets a lot better but yeah at first it's clunky cos of sway and shit like that

Its interesting. From some conversations I've seen on the subject, it has been described by at least one person as realistic (or as realistic as you'll get so far in video games). This person said the gunplay's general feel matched what a person would be more like in a real gunfight, and said this was based on personal experience with it when they were living overseas. Take it as you will, but I found it an interesting take on it.
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#17 MirkoS77
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

Kaze_no_Mirai

I didn't know Joel was a expert with guns

He is isn't he?

20 year survivor he should be.

Seriously though, people have been bitching that the shooting sucks and I don't see it.  It's better than Max Payne 3.

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#18 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

Chris_Williams

I didn't know Joel was a expert with guns

He should be better though considering [spoiler] he owned a gun at the start and it's 20 years after the outbreak where he apparently used a gun a lot [/spoiler] so he's not an expert but he should be better at least

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#19 shadiezz2012
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wat ?! had no problem with it all
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#20 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] I didn't know Joel was a expert with gunsMirkoS77

He is isn't he?

20 year survivor he should be.

Seriously though, people have been bitching that the shooting sucks and I don't see it.  It's better than Max Payne 3.

Ok it's fine but it's nowhere near as good as Max Payne 3's gunplay. MP3 has THE best thrid person shooting

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#21 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

seanmcloughlin

I didn't know Joel was a expert with guns

He should be better though considering [spoiler] he owned a gun at the start and it's 20 years after the outbreak where he apparently used a gun a lot [/spoiler] so he's not an expert but he should be better at least

I never had a problem with the gunplay, if i missed it was because i'm trying to avoid not getting hit. Sounds like you just suck
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lol, what people think they shoot like.

th?id=H.4666942578559504&pid=15.1

what they actually shoot like.

th?id=H.4760740320903596&pid=15.1

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#23 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]So it's only in the beginning.  I can admit that it's a bit slow but I prefer the shooting here to any dedicated shooter made so far.

lx_theo

It gets a lot better but yeah at first it's clunky cos of sway and shit like that

Its interesting. From some conversations I've seen on the subject, it has been described by at least one person as realistic (or as realistic as you'll get so far in video games). This person said the gunplay's general feel matched what a person would be more like in a real gunfight, and said this was based on personal experience with it when they were living overseas. Take it as you will, but I found it an interesting take on it.

It IS realistic alright but it's not that fun. There's a fine line, some games go too much for realism and forget it's a game where fun is a priority too

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people dislike the shooting? First ive heard about thisultraking
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#25 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

It gets a lot better but yeah at first it's clunky cos of sway and shit like that

seanmcloughlin

Its interesting. From some conversations I've seen on the subject, it has been described by at least one person as realistic (or as realistic as you'll get so far in video games). This person said the gunplay's general feel matched what a person would be more like in a real gunfight, and said this was based on personal experience with it when they were living overseas. Take it as you will, but I found it an interesting take on it.

It IS realistic alright but it's not that fun. There's a fine line, some games go too much for realism and forget it's a game where fun is a priority too

I think the intention was not to make the gunplay FUN so much, but to make it blend into the feel of desperation and survival tension that makes the overall gameplay work as well as it does. Because THAT is what I find fun in this game. Gunplay fun loss itself to enhance that is a good decision. At least that's how I see it.

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#26 shadiezz2012
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lol, what people think they shoot like.

th?id=H.4666942578559504&pid=15.1

what they actually shoot like.

th?id=H.4760740320903596&pid=15.1

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:lol: i see you still didn't got it yet ....what are you waiting for ?!
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#27 RR360DD
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Never had a problem with the shooting. Feels just like Uncharteds

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#28 coasterguy65
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I've never heard anyone complaining about it, but it is rather clunky. Reminds me of Uncharted 3.

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#29 thewickedgamer
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I love it. It mimics a real gunfight. This is not Call of Duty with 100% accuracy. The enemies are not 100% accurate. They are scared, they pick their shots, try to flank you, and try to hide when you have the upper hand. If you are having problems, upgrade your weapon sway first before anything else. The gunplay is satisfying once you learn how to use it. At the beginning I sucked, I kept practicing just like any normal game and became good at it. During intense moments I was popping off heads, limbs, and using the other stuff other than my gun. You got to use your cocktails, your bombs, your smoke bombs, your melee weapons. You got to use everything in your disposal. I prefer not to shoot, I prefer to take down targets using stealth. Or as some sections allow, completely avoid them entirely while getting all items available. Go stealth, if that fails, run and hide and retry to get that upper hand on your enemies. Your gun should be your last resort. I am deaf and I beat this game on Hard with Melee prompts off and Listen Mode off.
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I haven't played it yet.  I was on my way to get it and a friend said just wait and I could borrow his... yet he hasn't finished the damn game and now hes playing the new Luigi expansion.. ugh.

But from what I've seen it looks nice.  I hope its better than the Uncharted games.  I don't think they had bad shooting, but it wasn't exactly good either.

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#31 Nengo_Flow
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Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

seanmcloughlin
cuz you are firing old ass wasted used up guns and its also is meant to feel like you arent a freaking marksman sniper with 40 years of shooting experience. Yeah it gets better later on and you can all so start to upgrade them.
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#32 biggest_loser
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I like the sway. It adds to the tension and it means you can't blast your way through levels easily.
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#33 MirkoS77
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"] He is isn't he?seanmcloughlin

20 year survivor he should be.

Seriously though, people have been bitching that the shooting sucks and I don't see it.  It's better than Max Payne 3.

Ok it's fine but it's nowhere near as good as Max Payne 3's gunplay. MP3 has THE best thrid person shooting

100% disagree.

TLoU's shooting is superior due to one fact: getting hit affects the ability to aim and shoot back.  The ONLY reason to avoid getting shot in Max Payne or and other shooter is to look down at the lower right corner of the screen to see how many first aids one has.  TLoU penalizes you for getting shot by making you unable to shoot back for a brief period.  Instead of the screen getting more red, Joel's ability to simply shoot is gone.

TLoU forces you to avoid being hit as much as it does hit.  That's why it's better.  What's the fun in a shooter when you can just spam the heal button when you are too incompetent to dodge incoming fire?  Firefights should be just as much about avoiding getting shot as shooting.

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#34 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

lol, what people think they shoot like.

th?id=H.4666942578559504&pid=15.1

what they actually shoot like.

th?id=H.4760740320903596&pid=15.1

shadiezz2012

:lol: i see you still didn't got it yet ....what are you waiting for ?!

because i'm too cheap these days.

i'm replaying infamous as evil which was free and i went out the other day and witcher 2 and  prototype 2 was $9.99 and i bought those.

i will get to it eventually but it will be months before i get it unless i just break down and rent it or something.

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#35 Nengo_Flow
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Never had a problem with the shooting. Feels just like Uncharteds

RR360DD
hmmmmm......no. TLoU aim was lot of sways. You just dont point and it aims straight forward, it moves around like in real life your hand isnt robotically locked on to the target. Uncharrted wasnt much for realism. In the TLof U you cant even get over an 8 foot wall with out assistance. While in Uncharted, you could climb a fortress/tower/hotel in 7 seconds.
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#36 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Never had a problem with the shooting. Feels just like Uncharteds

Nengo_Flow

hmmmmm......no. TLoU aim was lot of sways. You just dont point and it aims straight forward, it moves around like in real life your hand isnt robotically locked on to the target. Uncharrted wasnt much for realism. In the TLof U you cant even get over an 8 foot wall with out assistance. While in Uncharted, you could climb a fortress/tower/hotel in 7 seconds.

Whats scaling a wall got to do with shooting?

And I honestly never noticed the swaying ... so I don't know what to say.

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i have not played it yet but from what i have seen in vids it looks great.

innaccurate and not very effective.

just like it would be if you had multiple monsters running at you.

looks almost like a sim.

maybe that why it gets on some peoples nerves.

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What the he'll are you waiting for man? All gamers should be encouraged to play it.
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#38 shadiezz2012
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[QUOTE="coasterguy65"] hmmmm, lol NO ....

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

lol, what people think they shoot like.

th?id=H.4666942578559504&pid=15.1

what they actually shoot like.

th?id=H.4760740320903596&pid=15.1

Riverwolf007

:lol: i see you still didn't got it yet ....what are you waiting for ?!

because i'm too cheap these days.

i'm replaying infamous as evil which was free and i went out the other day and witcher 2 and  prototype 2 was $9.99 and i bought those.

i will get to it eventually but it will be months before i get it unless i just break down and rent it or something.

your loss man ...you are missing out but at least you are playing a great game like infamous2 the evil side is soo cool and i loved the ending of it very much but i loved the powers of the good side more i need to replay it soon
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#39 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i have not played it yet but from what i have seen in vids it looks great.

innaccurate and not very effective.

just like it would be if you had multiple monsters running at you.

looks almost like a sim.

maybe that why it gets on some peoples nerves.

2beers_in_hand

What the he'll are you waiting for man? All gamers should be encouraged to play it.

lol, i have no kidding spent like $6,000 or $7,000 bucks this gen it is insane and i'm just sick of it.

i'm trying to see what it is like to be a late adopter.

i have either replayed old games that i already have or not paid more than $10 bucks for a game in over a year now.

i'm starting a trend, me and a buddy found rainbow six vegas 2 for $2.99  and we are co-op-ing through it tonight. :lol:

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[QUOTE="coasterguy65"] hmmmm, lol NO ....[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"] :lol: i see you still didn't got it yet ....what are you waiting for ?!shadiezz2012
because i'm too cheap these days.

i'm replaying infamous as evil which was free and i went out the other day and witcher 2 and  prototype 2 was $9.99 and i bought those.

i will get to it eventually but it will be months before i get it unless i just break down and rent it or something.

your loss man ...you are missing out but at least you are playing a great game like infamous2 the evil side is soo cool and i loved the ending of it very much but i loved the powers of the good side more i need to replay it soon

want to know how cheap i am now?

after i finish infamous i am going to erase it off the hdd so i have room to reinstall dc online.

that's how cheap i am going for the rest of this gen. :lol:

i will probably only break my new cheapness vow for gta 5.

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#41 shadiezz2012
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[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="coasterguy65"]because i'm too cheap these days.

i'm replaying infamous as evil which was free and i went out the other day and witcher 2 and  prototype 2 was $9.99 and i bought those.

i will get to it eventually but it will be months before i get it unless i just break down and rent it or something.

Riverwolf007

your loss man ...you are missing out but at least you are playing a great game like infamous2 the evil side is soo cool and i loved the ending of it very much but i loved the powers of the good side more i need to replay it soon

want to know how cheap i am now?

after i finish infamous i am going to erase it off the hdd so i have room to reinstall dc online.

that's how cheap i am going for the rest of this gen. :lol:

lol :lol: you make me feel rich :lol: what HDD you have ?!
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#42 Nengo_Flow
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Cos it's cumbersome and unresponsive. It gets better later in the game but at the start it's pretty sloppy

seanmcloughlin

I didn't know Joel was a expert with guns

He should be better though considering [spoiler] he owned a gun at the start and it's 20 years after the outbreak where he apparently used a gun a lot [/spoiler] so he's not an expert but he should be better at least

Joel is from Texas and lived in Teaxs when the out break happened.............. If you know anything about 'Merica is that almost everyone in Texas has gunz and most of them dont know how to use them...
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#43 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] your loss man ...you are missing out but at least you are playing a great game like infamous2 the evil side is soo cool and i loved the ending of it very much but i loved the powers of the good side more i need to replay it soonshadiezz2012

want to know how cheap i am now?

after i finish infamous i am going to erase it off the hdd so i have room to reinstall dc online.

that's how cheap i am going for the rest of this gen. :lol:

lol :lol: you make me feel rich :lol: what HDD you have ?!

60gig  from the og sku.

it would not be very full except it is the one with the pro duo card slots and i store all my pictures and home video on there.

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#44 thewickedgamer
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This game is like HItman, Manhunt, Splinter Cell, etc Your gun is your last resort. I used the bow and arrow more times than a gun to keep the stealth going. I have played HItman Absolution and the original 3. Once I learned to play it the gun was the last thing to use.
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#45 shadiezz2012
Member since 2012 • 2474 Posts

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]want to know how cheap i am now?

after i finish infamous i am going to erase it off the hdd so i have room to reinstall dc online.

that's how cheap i am going for the rest of this gen. :lol:

Riverwolf007

lol :lol: you make me feel rich :lol: what HDD you have ?!

60gig  from the og sku.

it would not be very full except it is the one with the pro duo card slots and i store all my pictures and home video on there.

damn you are cheap :lol:
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#46 RR360DD
Member since 2011 • 14099 Posts

This game is like HItman, Manhunt, Splinter Cell, etc Your gun is your last resort. I used the bow and arrow more times than a gun to keep the stealth going. I have played HItman Absolution and the original 3. Once I learned to play it the gun was the last thing to use. thewickedgamer

Agreed. I only used a gun when it forced me to. I always used the bow as well, loved it. But mostly melee combat, it just felt so good :P

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#47 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] lol :lol: you make me feel rich :lol: what HDD you have ?!shadiezz2012

60gig  from the og sku.

it would not be very full except it is the one with the pro duo card slots and i store all my pictures and home video on there.

damn you are cheap :lol:

i am now.

i pissed away soooo much money this gen.

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#48 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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No complaints here, I love the shooting in TLoU much better than any other third person shooter solely because enemies aren't bullet sponges, you have rare ammo, guns actually feel like guns, and you appreciate each bullet since they're so rare and do so much damage.

And yes, I have played Max Payne 3 which also has great shooting for different reasons.

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#49 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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This game is like HItman, Manhunt, Splinter Cell, etc Your gun is your last resort. I used the bow and arrow more times than a gun to keep the stealth going. I have played HItman Absolution and the original 3. Once I learned to play it the gun was the last thing to use. thewickedgamer

I did that for most of the game, but near the end you don't really have much of a choice, it gets hard.

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#50 thewickedgamer
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[QUOTE="thewickedgamer"]This game is like HItman, Manhunt, Splinter Cell, etc Your gun is your last resort. I used the bow and arrow more times than a gun to keep the stealth going. I have played HItman Absolution and the original 3. Once I learned to play it the gun was the last thing to use. XVision84

I did that for most of the game, but near the end you don't really have much of a choice, it gets hard.

Lets say during the end, I tricked my enemies using bottles and bricks to make them go one way and I go another to lead then into a neck snap or shiv stealth kill. Smoke bombs helped. This game reminds me of Daniel Craig's 007. Be reckless, ruthless, but at the same time use stealth, use melee, and don't be dependent on the gun. Use your wits.