Why do people hate Microsoft so much?!

I've been trying to figure this one out for a while. Bill Gates masterminded a revolutionary OS. So revolutionary that 95% of people reading this will have bought a copy. For this reason he is rich but to his credit he donates more to charity than any other self made business man, particularly to childerns charities. During the awesome PS2 era microsoft brought out the xbox which provided at least some competition for Sony which is always a good thing. Whether you like the new PS or the 360 why hate a company that has stopped the console market from becoming stagnant and offers, more than any company, some of their wealth to those less fortunate? Are people just jealous?Do people just irrationally believe that Microsofts' success must be the product of some evil doing?If you have all the relevant information its pretty hard to distinguish the practices of a firm like MS from any other.

All those MS haters please could you provide me with some informed, valid reasons.

Thankyou!

(Next up is Sony..)

I've been trying to figure this one out for a while. Bill Gates masterminded a revolutionary OS.

tcarruth

Bill Gates masterminded a revolutionary OS.

tcarruth

Watch "Pirates of Silicon Valley" to get a history lesson.

Huh... convicted monopolist which stoled eveything?

Do you know that most businesses that make it big are actually the second or third incarnations of a good idea? Youtube and Google are perfect examples. Lets assume he did steal the idea, is that really it?!!

Because even with all their wealth and supposed technical advances, they still release unfinshed and faulty hardware and software, which are in great need of improvement.

And even with saying this, I'm still going to buy a 360.

ms has only benefitted gaming, and its pretty obvious by their losses that theyre willing to do whatever it takes to become the leader. i don't see how this does not benefit gaming.Big_T-Mac

I think that basically where I'm coming from. Gamers should love MS really... oh well...

Because even with all their wealth and supposed technical advances, they still release unfinshed and faulty hardware and software, which are in great need of improvement.

And even with saying this, I'm still going to buy a 360.

Phantom_Menace

Ok so MS try and sell faulty hardware. And we go out and buy it.. who's to blame us or them?!!

I think that the main reason is that MS, as the dominant OS, is really spends most of it's time trying to make it's software as helpful for business as possible at the expense of the individual home user.

Thinking that the "home user" is really all that important to MS is like an occasional vacationer thinking that their business is all that important to a hotel. The hotel, like MS, mostly makes money from big business that spends lots of cash with them. The benefit that the home user gets is secondary.

Consider it like this. Look at any numbers about which OS is dominant and you'll find that MS wins by a landslide. This is because most businesses use MS. However go to a library or a coffee house with an internet hot spot and you'll easily find that you see far more Macs than you "should" if the numbers are right.

For example, why did MS's IE browser have so many security problems that frustrated so many casual and home users? Because MS was more interested in giving companies ways to get their products and services and advertisments to customers than they were allowing customers to protect their privacy and the ingegrity of their systems. Sure third party software and even MS patches have fixed a lot of the problems but the reason they were there to begin with was that MS doesn't really care all that much about the PC (thats supposed to be Personal Computer) user. They are also lapdogs to industries that are trying to slap restrictive DRM functions on media.

People hate them because they are big, dominant and farily slow to react to individual user problems. Their overwhelming business dominance makes it difficult for individuals to use alternatives in business or school or other collective environments because IT people don't generally want to waste time supporting other OS's like Mac.

Its frustrating because while the average person "has a choice" they really don't have much of a choice in many environments.

fools would rather send their money overseas then support their own country... a profitable microsoft equals more taxes on revenue and a better place to live in. The worst type of people in this world are the ones that constantly ignore this pure fact. This is exactly why the japanese dont buy american products, beacuse their far more educated and aware then the general american public.

I've been trying to figure this one out for a while. Bill Gates masterminded a revolutionary OS. So revolutionary that 95% of people reading this will have bought a copy. For this reason he is rich but to his credit he donates more to charity than any other self made business man, particularly to childerns charities. During the awesome PS2 era microsoft brought out the xbox which provided at least some competition for Sony which is always a good thing. Whether you like the new PS or the 360 why hate a company that has stopped the console market from becoming stagnant and offers, more than any company, some of their wealth to those less fortunate? Are people just jealous?Do people just irrationally believe that Microsofts' success must be the product of some evil doing?If you have all the relevant information its pretty hard to distinguish the practices of a firm like MS from any other.

All those MS haters please could you provide me with some informed, valid reasons.

Thankyou!

(Next up is Sony..)

tcarruth

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]ms has only benefitted gaming, and its pretty obvious by their losses that theyre willing to do whatever it takes to become the leader. i don't see how this does not benefit gaming.tcarruth

I think that basically where I'm coming from. Gamers should love MS really... oh well...

I agree that MS has done a good thing for gaming and has inspired improvements.

But MS in turn has to improve upon what it has created. The whole 360 problem should never have happened, and Vista should have been better (not having to wait for SP1 for it to be fixed)... though I'll give some of the Vista problem to programs not being updated for Vista right away.

I think that the main reason is that MS, as the dominant OS, is really spends most of it's time trying to make it's software as helpful for business as possible at the expense of the individual home user.

For example, why did MS's IE browser have so many security problems that frustrated so many casual and home users? Because MS was more interested in giving companies ways to get their products and services and advertisments to customers than they were allowing customers to protect their privacy and the ingegrity of their systems. Sure third party software and even MS patches have fixed a lot of the problems but the reason they were there to begin with was that MS doesn't really care all that much about the PC (thats supposed to be Personal Computer) user. They are also lapdogs to industries that are trying to slap restrictive DRM functions on media.

People hate them because they are big, dominant and farily slow to react to individual user problems. Their overwhelming business dominance makes it difficult for individuals to use alternatives in business or school or other collective environments because IT people don't generally want to waste time supporting other OS's like Mac.

Its frustrating because while the average person "has a choice" they really don't have much of a choice in many environments.

RojAvon

While you are probably right, is it really correct to blame MS for there being no other major competition? Surely aren't we - the people using their OS and not coming up with our own partly to blame for this situation? Aren't MS just doing what we would do in their position?

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Because even with all their wealth and supposed technical advances, they still release unfinshed and faulty hardware and software, which are in great need of improvement.

And even with saying this, I'm still going to buy a 360.

tcarruth

Ok so MS try and sell faulty hardware. And we go out and buy it.. who's to blame us or them?!!

Who constructed the machine, made all the developments and decided what hardware would be put into it? Not us, I'm assuming; I know I had no say in what they put in the 360.

And yes, I'm still getting one, knowing that it may have problems. But that's because the games I want are there; granted, I could always wait until the fixed model is released.

I remember when the Xbox was first announced, a few unnamed game developers were asked about making games for MS's console, and they flat out said the wouldn't because it would be the equivalent of working for the dark side, or for big oil companies. It kind of scared me away from the Xbox originally. Now with major publishers calling most of the shots, I think the "hatred" towards MS has lessened a bit from a gaming perspective.dru26

True. From a gaming point of view it is far more worrying that it now takes millions of dollars and huge developer support to make a game, thus marginalising original quirky games and encouraginggeneric sequels and tiresome spinoffs.

I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. ghostsniperOP

Did they make you use Windows or do you do it by choice?

[QUOTE="dru26"]I remember when the Xbox was first announced, a few unnamed game developers were asked about making games for MS's console, and they flat out said the wouldn't because it would be the equivalent of working for the dark side, or for big oil companies. It kind of scared me away from the Xbox originally. Now with major publishers calling most of the shots, I think the "hatred" towards MS has lessened a bit from a gaming perspective.tcarruth

True. From a gaming point of view it is far more worrying that it now takes millions of dollars and huge developer support to make a game, thus marginalising original quirky games and encouraginggeneric sequels and tiresome spinoffs.

it honestly makes me laugh when people talk about gran turismo 5 and resident evil 5... FIVE!! we are the zombies for god's sake!!

[QUOTE="ghostsniperOP"]I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. tcarruth

Did they make you use Windows or do you do it by choice?

Well you have to if you want to play games. But I dont mind it, I mean, I dont like it but I dont really care. Just dont do something on the pc you dont want somone else to know about. Thats how I see it.

This is probably the absolute worst thread i've ever seen.  How could you possibly like Microsoft so much when you know nothing about Microsoft or Windows?  This thread makes me want to laugh and throw up at the same time

[QUOTE="ghostsniperOP"]I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. tcarruth

Did they make you use Windows or do you do it by choice?

fools would rather send their money overseas then support their own country... a profitable microsoft equals more taxes on revenue and a better place to live in. The worst type of people in this world are the ones that constantly ignore this pure fact. This is exactly why the japanese dont buy american products, beacuse their far more educated and aware then the general american public.

Bdking57

True, at the same time though, you can say that the profitable microsoft prevents there from being other successful businesses, and the lack of competition prevents there from being as much profit and revenue. With Microsoft as a major bussiness, they can essentially set whatever prices they want for computers and hardware for Windows since there is no alternative. Yes, there's the Apple, but a lot of people can't afford to buy a new computer once they already have Windows, and must resort to constantly upgrading.

While you are probably right, is it really correct to blame MS for there being no other major competition? Surely aren't we - the people using their OS and not coming up with our own partly to blame for this situation? Aren't MS just doing what we would do in their position?tcarruth

Yes, it is okay to blame them because they monopolized the industry early on and gave no chance of there being any other major competition. Like the one guy said in that very good explanation, the hardware focuses on the bussineses and can often be a pain for individual, home consumers.

Well generally speaking ..I'll just quote wiki on this: "Microsoft initially embraces a competing standard or product, then extends it to produce their own incompatible version of the software or standard, which in time extinguishes competition that does not or cannot use Microsoft's new version."

As for their software, I'm not happy with how they seem to restrict the user's control over their own software.

And from a gamer's viewpoint I'm not happy with their latest GFWL and Vista exclusive games campaigns.

Microsoft doesn't give loads of money to charity, just Bill Gates. Apple masterminded a revolutionary OS, they showed the importance of a good UI. Plus Steve Ballmer is an a$$!ParasiteDemon

Apple stole the os too. Xerox made the GUI we use today.

They killed my cat. The rest is history.

Nah I don't hate them but Commodore and a few others had a better OS.

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[QUOTE="ghostsniperOP"]I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. BEAN_LARD_MULCH

Did they make you use Windows or do you do it by choice?

Exactly. Microsoft didn't develop the Direct X family of APIs out of the goodness of their hearts. MS created DX to lock-in vendors and users.

cause it's microsoftagni_1

Because it's the company taking gamers away from Sony Playstation. 360 fanboys are terrible and don't give Sony the respect they deserve. Most all of the good game franchises built their success through the Playstation brand not the xbox.

I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. ghostsniperOP

Try using Linux. Then try tell me windows is hard to use.

fools would rather send their money overseas then support their own country... a profitable microsoft equals more taxes on revenue and a better place to live in. The worst type of people in this world are the ones that constantly ignore this pure fact.Bdking57

That is a darling idealistic opinion, too bad it is entirely wrong. Microsoft doesn't pay taxes.

[QUOTE="ghostsniperOP"]I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. squirrel337

Try using Linux. Then try tell me windows is hard to use.

This dude speaks the truth.

Nobody hates Microsoft except Apple, Sony, and Nintendo enthusiasts. The last two hate them because they don't have Sony or Nintendo branded on their system, and Apple lovers hate them because they love a competing company. Vista sold 40 million copies already and XP sold about 300 million. The 360 has sold over 10 million and hasn't even released anymore than one heavy hitter.

Who said people hate them so much? People hate them in the gaming industry because usually a lot of people don't like a newcomer, or someone like Microsoft who has a tendency to try and succeed in creating monopolies in markets. They would have a monopoly on MP3s if they didn't accept compatibility with iPods. They're probably kicking themselves for that dumb mistake.

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[QUOTE="dru26"]I remember when the Xbox was first announced, a few unnamed game developers were asked about making games for MS's console, and they flat out said the wouldn't because it would be the equivalent of working for the dark side, or for big oil companies. It kind of scared me away from the Xbox originally. Now with major publishers calling most of the shots, I think the "hatred" towards MS has lessened a bit from a gaming perspective.tcarruth

True. From a gaming point of view it is far more worrying that it now takes millions of dollars and huge developer support to make a game, thus marginalising original quirky games and encouraginggeneric sequels and tiresome spinoffs.

it honestly makes me laugh when people talk about gran turismo 5 and resident evil 5... FIVE!! we are the zombies for god's sake!!

Resident Evil has changed it's gameplay formula entirely. If anything, you should respect it. As proof not all corporate superstars rehash the same thing over and over again. They even tried online integration.

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[QUOTE="ghostsniperOP"]I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. d3thm0nkey

Try using Linux. Then try tell me windows is hard to use.

This dude speaks the truth.

What have you found hard about using Linux?

[QUOTE="Bdking57"]fools would rather send their money overseas then support their own country... a profitable microsoft equals more taxes on revenue and a better place to live in. The worst type of people in this world are the ones that constantly ignore this pure fact.skektek

That is a darling idealistic opinion, too bad it is entirely wrong. Microsoft doesn't pay taxes.

:lol:

That guy just got owned!

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I've been trying to figure this one out for a while. Bill Gates masterminded a revolutionary OS.

Svarthek

Thank you, MS is making bank off an Apple design that came out first.

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[QUOTE="ghostsniperOP"]I hate micrsoft because of the all secret files they hide on windows. You know, the ones that keep a log of everything you type. Ever email you get, every program you have ever downlaoded. And they make the dumb things SO HARD TO FIND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR SELF GO CRAZY LOOKING FOR THEM. Well, thats why I hate micosoft. skektek

Try using Linux. Then try tell me windows is hard to use.

This dude speaks the truth.

What have you found hard about using Linux?

I don't have many problems with Linux but I still screw up things from time to time. The average Windows user would start killing people because they can not hammer on Next button when installing.

I don't like them because you basically HAVE to support their OS and most of the time they wind up bad at first although after a few years everything is fixed. I use XP so no real problems, but most computerss nowadays support Windows and Windows only. Sure there's Mac, but you have to buy both the OS AND the computer and tht's all pretty expensive. I'm not sure if there still are problems, but when Vista first came out, it was an absolute mess and they had to go fix something that they just put on the market. MS basically has full control of the OS market.

Then there's the 360, I had no real issues with the Xbox when it was around, but the 360 should have been problem-free when it was released, but it wasn't. There were and still are reports of people's 360's RRing and MS still wont admit what the problem is or even give us percentages on the failure rate. Yes I kknow it'd be suicide if they released that info. but in the long run, that wont help them at all because people remember things like that. In my house, my father has lost 2 so far and is on his third and my brother, whose 360 wasn't even a year old lost his first one about a month or two ago and is on his second. What they do with this hardware is unacceptable. They're a big company and have the money to fix this problem (obvious by how they throw their money around), but it's almost two years into the 360's lifespan and the problems still haven't been fixed.

This is probably the absolute worst thread i've ever seen. How could you possibly like Microsoft so much when you know nothing about Microsoft or Windows? This thread makes me want to laugh and throw up at the same time

legendbyname

Intriguing counter argument. Well constructed! Bravo!!

[QUOTE="tcarruth"]

I've been trying to figure this one out for a while. Bill Gates masterminded a revolutionary OS.

Svarthek

More like a life-changing investment :)

Bill Gates bought the OS from someone, he hardly broke into their house, tied up the whole family, beat them and stole their computer......or did he? :o

Why hate Microsoft?

Well, the obvious reason is that they're the big monopoly, they're the ones who have climbed to the top and it's cool to bash the best, kinda like how people have bashed Sony this gen.

They've also taken advantage of their OS dominance; doesn't anybody remember the anti-trust lawsuits against Microsoft in Europe, to the point where Microsoft had to release a separate version of Windows that didn't lock users into using their applications (e.g., Windows Media Player).

They enjoy crushing the little guy - by releasing their own standards and applications, they're guaranteed to have significant market share despite having inferior products. You know, like IE versus Firefox, or for the UI-minded, WPF + XAML vs. XUL.

Beyond that, everybody knows the amount of money MS makes, and they're not afraid of throwing that money around, e.g., the $50 million "loan" to Rockstar for exclusive content. Markets thrive on freedom of competition (usually two big players), but Microsoft is so big that they can afford to eat up or buy out most potential competition right from the start, and despite what fanboys tell you, a monopoly is not a good thing, OS or console-wise.