Why do people here hate casuals so much

All I really hear in system wars is. We're hardcore. We're better than those casualplayers. Casual is like a bad word on here.

Why do people here hate casuals so much. You guys know who the causalplayersare right. It's your old or younger brother/sister who doesn't really play games. Its your friends at school. Its yourneighbor. It's normal everyday people you see and talk to in the real world.

They're threatened

Something they spent most of their lives doing can be done just as well, if not better, by a grandmother who just picked up a controller at the start of the month.

They're no longer special and their hobby no longer makes them unique

They're threatened

Something they spent most of their lives doing can be done just as well, if not better, by a grandmother who just picked up a controller at the start of the month.

They're no longer special and their hobby no longer makes them unique

Jaysonguy

It's not as petty as that.

It's the fact that we're being ignored and forgotten over a new and much larger market. Just look at Nintendo, what have they made on the Wii for the 'hardcore' since its release ? MP3, SMG and SSBB, that's pretty much it. We ask for a harddrive, they call us nerds.

That kind of bs would have never happened before. We're losing high quality first-party titles, because grandad wants to play Wii Music.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

They're threatened

Something they spent most of their lives doing can be done just as well, if not better, by a grandmother who just picked up a controller at the start of the month.

They're no longer special and their hobby no longer makes them unique

Gamer4Iife

It's not as petty as that.

It's the fact that we're being ignored and forgotten over a new and much larger market. Just look at Nintendo, what have they made on the Wii for the 'hardcore' since its release ? MP3, SMG and SSBB, that's pretty much it. We ask for a harddrive, they call us nerds.

That kind of bs would have never happened before. We're losing high quality first-party titles, because grandad wants to play Wii Music.

Nintendo is a company based ONLY on the causal, always have been

They entered the 80's knowing that they would need to make a casual entertainment system to compete. They even packaged it with a toy robot

Mario and Zelda? Casual games

All games that Nintendo has ever made are games that a 4 year old can pick up and play with stories just as understandable.

The idea that Nintendo ever did anything else is just false

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

They're threatened

Something they spent most of their lives doing can be done just as well, if not better, by a grandmother who just picked up a controller at the start of the month.

They're no longer special and their hobby no longer makes them unique

Gamer4Iife

It's not as petty as that.

It's the fact that we're being ignored and forgotten over a new and much larger market. Just look at Nintendo, what have they made on the Wii for the 'hardcore' since its release ? MP3, SMG and SSBB, that's pretty much it. We ask for a harddrive, they call us nerds.

That kind of bs would have never happened before. We're losing high quality first-party titles, because grandad wants to play Wii Music.

Nintendo is a company based ONLY on the causal, always have been

They entered the 80's knowing that they would need to make a casual entertainment system to compete. They even packaged it with a toy robot

Mario and Zelda? Casual games

All games that Nintendo has ever made are games that a 4 year old can pick up and play with stories just as understandable.

The idea that Nintendo ever did anything else is just false

Jaysonguy

There's nothing 'casual' about games they used to make in the NES and SNES era compared to the likes of Wii Fit. :?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Nintendo is a company based ONLY on the causal, always have been

They entered the 80's knowing that they would need to make a casual entertainment system to compete. They even packaged it with a toy robot

Mario and Zelda? Casual games

All games that Nintendo has ever made are games that a 4 year old can pick up and play with stories just as understandable.

The idea that Nintendo ever did anything else is just false

Gamer4Iife

There's nothing 'casual' about games they used to make in the NES and SNES era compared to the likes of Wii Fit. :?

No, they're all casual

Hate to break is to you but Nintendo has always been a casual company.

stop acting like the casual market is something new this gen. The largest portion of sales come from them. you think the majority of the 100 million ps2 owners we're hardcore gamers? give me a break. realize that companies are here to make money. Nintendo's appealing more to casuals right? Then stop complaining and move to a 360 and ps3 where it's less focused on them.Sonick54

Oh, they've always been around... but it wasn't until this generation that Nintendo started to completely ignore us. Sure, Nintendo wants to make money, but I don't have to like it.

There's nothing 'casual' about games they used to make in the NES and SNES era compared to the likes of Wii Fit. :?Gamer4Iife

[QUOTE="Sonick54"]stop acting like the casual market is something new this gen. The largest portion of sales come from them. you think the majority of the 100 million ps2 owners we're hardcore gamers? give me a break. realize that companies are here to make money. Nintendo's appealing more to casuals right? Then stop complaining and move to a 360 and ps3 where it's less focused on them.Gamer4Iife

Oh, they've always been around... but it wasn't until this generation that Nintendo started to completely ignore us. Sure, Nintendo wants to make money, but I don't have to like it.

What part of Mario and Zelda are casual games did you miss?

A 4 year old can play ANY of the Nintendo games from any generation and master them

No, they're all casual

Hate to break is to you but Nintendo has always been a casual company.

Jaysonguy

Care to elaborate ? I fail to see what's so 'casual' about games such as Kid Icarus, The Legend of Zelda, Earthbound or Super Metroid.

[QUOTE="Sonick54"]stop acting like the casual market is something new this gen. The largest portion of sales come from them. you think the majority of the 100 million ps2 owners we're hardcore gamers? give me a break. realize that companies are here to make money. Nintendo's appealing more to casuals right? Then stop complaining and move to a 360 and ps3 where it's less focused on them.Gamer4Iife

Oh, they've always been around... but it wasn't until this generation that Nintendo started to completely ignore us. Sure, Nintendo wants to make money, but I don't have to like it.

it wasn't until this generation that Nintendo started to completely ignore us.Gamer4Iife

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

They're threatened

Something they spent most of their lives doing can be done just as well, if not better, by a grandmother who just picked up a controller at the start of the month.

They're no longer special and their hobby no longer makes them unique

Gamer4Iife

It's not as petty as that.

It's the fact that we're being ignored and forgotten over a new and much larger market. Just look at Nintendo, what have they made on the Wii for the 'hardcore' since its release ? MP3, SMG and SSBB, that's pretty much it. We ask for a harddrive, they call us nerds.

That kind of bs would have never happened before. We're losing high quality first-party titles, because grandad wants to play Wii Music.

They're threatened

Something they spent most of their lives doing can be done just as well, if not better, by a grandmother who just picked up a controller at the start of the month.

They're no longer special and their hobby no longer makes them unique

Jaysonguy

Yeah, let's see grandma beat Ninja Gaiden 2 or Call of Duty 4 on the hardest difficulty. Did you put any thought into your post at all?

As long as I keep getting my Bioshocks, Mass Effects, Ninja Gaidens, Dead Spaces, etc. on the 360, I have no problem letting the Wii be casual nirvana. I will have a problem if the casual market causes me to lose such games if more money can be made on Wii Fit type games.

What part of Mario and Zelda are casual games did you miss?

A 4 year old can play ANY of the Nintendo games from any generation and master them

Jaysonguy

The whole part ? :|

Have you ever seen an actual 4 years old play SMG ? How does dying every 5 minutes qualify as 'mastering' a game ?

To make matters worse, in a article from Kotaku.com stated that Miyamoto wants to make the next Zelda "accesible for the casuals" (easier). That's a bad sign right there. gmc2u_64

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Nintendo is a company based ONLY on the causal, always have been

They entered the 80's knowing that they would need to make a casual entertainment system to compete. They even packaged it with a toy robot

Mario and Zelda? Casual games

All games that Nintendo has ever made are games that a 4 year old can pick up and play with stories just as understandable.

The idea that Nintendo ever did anything else is just false

Jaysonguy

There's nothing 'casual' about games they used to make in the NES and SNES era compared to the likes of Wii Fit. :?

No, they're all casual

Hate to break is to you but Nintendo has always been a casual company.

so many varities of casual gamers

i think anyone who buys a licensed ip, sports or racing game is automatically a casual...shooter? casual too

afraid of pc gaming? casual

it's not so much about playing colorful games as it is the fact that you're supporting trash games that get churned out on a yearly basis

i literally die on the inside every time i see a collection of games thats nothing but Generic Sports Titles A-Z, GTA and Halo... this is the most popular collection of games i've ever seen because every idiot who doesn't really play games has a system covered in dust with these titles next to it

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What part of Mario and Zelda are casual games did you miss?

A 4 year old can play ANY of the Nintendo games from any generation and master them

Gamer4Iife

The whole part ? :|

Have you ever seen an actual 4 years old play SMG ? How does dying every 5 minutes qualify as 'mastering' a game ?

You're in luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ggKcAns5FA

4 year olds play Galaxy too.

Still feel special?

All I really hear in system wars is. We're hardcore. We're better than those casualplayers. Casual is like a bad word on here.

Why do people here hate casuals so much. You guys know who the causalplayersare right. It's your old or younger brother/sister who doesn't really play games. Its your friends at school. Its yourneighbor. It's normal everyday people you see and talk to in the real world.

chansaet

Probably cause they are the ones that mindlessly buy a lot of crap due to it's heavy advertising and their lack of knowledge on what a REAL good game is supposed to be like, and that crap is beating the fanboy's favourites on sales.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

What part of Mario and Zelda are casual games did you miss?

A 4 year old can play ANY of the Nintendo games from any generation and master them

Gamer4Iife

The whole part ? :|

Have you ever seen an actual 4 years old play SMG ? How does dying every 5 minutes qualify as 'mastering' a game ?

So now you're saying the games are more difficult?

Please make up your mind

Kids were mastering Super Mario Bros before they turned 5

No, they've never cared about you. It's like Billy thinking Sally likes him, and then becoming devastated when he sees Sally having ice cream with Jimmy.AlexSays

I couldn't care less about them either, honestly. I just want my fill of Mario, Zelda and Metroid, which I'm getting less and less.

Then take my suggestion. Get a 360 or ps3 where your needs will be satisfied.Sonick54

Umm... I'm not looking for a console that can satisfy me. I already own both of these wonderful systems.

I'm discussing 'Why do people here hate casuals so much', remember ? :?

So now you're saying the games are more difficult?

Please make up your mind

Kids were mastering Super Mario Bros before they turned 5

Jaysonguy

I never said that, please stop making stuff up as you go.

They are getting easier, just not easy enough for 4 year olds to beat.

You're in luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ggKcAns5FA

4 year olds play Galaxy too.

Still feel special?

AlexSays

Oh, please. Getting a star in the second level of the game is FAR from 'mastering the game'.

When did I ever say I felt special ? :lol:

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]it wasn't until this generation that Nintendo started to completely ignore us.AlexSays

Oh, please. Getting a star in the second level of the game is FAR from 'mastering the game'.Gamer4Iife

How exactly do you go about mastering Galaxy? Completing planets in record time? It's a game that can be played by a 4 year old just as good, if not better than most adults. You can say the same for EVERY Nintendo game ever made.AlexSays

There's no definitive definition of mastering a game. I guess finishing it is good enough, which is something I highly doubt a 4 year old could ever achieve, considering how big of a deal it was for him to even get a single star in one of the earliest levels that someone recorded it and put it on Youtube.

Every Nintendo game ever made ? You obviously haven't played many, for you to say that. :|

Casual games like RockBand, Or Guitarhero im ok with.

Casual games like WII ski, Carnival games, is too much, At least RB and GH take some skill, but casuals can still jump in and have fun, the others are just mindless, boring, and lack indepth gameplay for anyone to enjoy but a 4 year old.

At least make the casual game good, like WII Sports,or Peggle

Every Nintendo game ever made ? You obviously haven't played many, for you to say that. :|

Gamer4Iife

Oh see, this is where you say "You disagree with me so you've never played a Nintendo game!!1"

Classic System Wars response and I love hearing it.

I'm assuming Jasonguy hasn't played very many Nintendo games either?

Too bad people on this site give up on trying to prove a point and resort to saying the opposition has no experience.

Oh see, this is where you say "You disagree with me so you've never played a Nintendo game!!1"

Classic System Wars response and I love hearing it.

I'm assuming Jasonguy hasn't played very many Nintendo games either?

Too bad people on this site give up on trying to prove a point and resort to saying the opposition has no experience.

AlexSays

Then I'll ask you the same question I asked Jason.

Please explain to me how Kid Icarus, Metroid and The Legend of Zelda I & II were casual and how would a 4 year old and his grandma beat those ?

They're threatened

Something they spent most of their lives doing can be done just as well, if not better, by a grandmother who just picked up a controller at the start of the month.

They're no longer special and their hobby no longer makes them unique

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]Oh, please. Getting a star in the second level of the game is FAR from 'mastering the game'.AlexSays

Then I'll ask you the same question I asked Jason.

Please explain to me how Kid Icarus, Metroid and The Legend of Zelda I & II were casual and how would a 4 year old and his grandma beat those ?

Gamer4Iife

Because they aren't hard games, like people seem to believe.

They're like Mega Man in the sense, you screw up, NOW you know what to do, you practice till' you get it right.

There was nothing extraordinarily difficult about those games that couldn't be resolved with a little practice.

The only hard game Nintendo ever produced was Lost Levels. No matter how much practice you had, that game was extremely difficult. So what did Nintendo do? They didn't even release it in the US because it was so difficult.

Because they aren't hard games, like people seem to believe.

They're like Mega Man in the sense, you screw up, NOW you know what to do, you practice till' you get it right.

There was nothing extraordinarily difficult about those games that couldn't be resolved with a little practice.

The only hard game Nintendo ever produced was Lost Levels. No matter how much practice you had, that game was extremely difficult. So what did Nintendo do? They didn't even release it in the US because it was so difficult.

AlexSays

Because they weren't hard ? So, you're putting them in the same category as Animal Crossing or Wii Sports ? And you're saying that a 4 year old or his grandmother could just as easily pick them up and finish them ?

Now I'm totally convinced you've never played them. :|

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]Then I'll ask you the same question I asked Jason.

Please explain to me how Kid Icarus, Metroid and The Legend of Zelda I & II were casual and how would a 4 year old and his grandma beat those ?

AlexSays

Because they aren't hard games, like people seem to believe.

They're like Mega Man in the sense, you screw up, NOW you know what to do, you practice till' you get it right.

There was nothing extraordinarily difficult about those games that couldn't be resolved with a little practice.

The only hard game Nintendo ever produced was Lost Levels. No matter how much practice you had, that game was extremely difficult. So what did Nintendo do? They didn't even release it in the US because it was so difficult.

A better question should be why we shouldn't hate casuals? Casuals are a bigger audience and they have lower standards, they are willing to pay out for games most here would consider crap. Because of this why should developers invest millions into a modern "hard core" title; when for a fraction of the development cost some casual would likely pay the same or more?

Let me put this into perspective for everyone. Over here in the UK the Wii costs more than the Xbox 360, let that sit in your mind for a moment. The Wii, which is a low spec machine, costs more than the superior hardware Xbox 360. They are literally paying more for less, the Wii is significantly cheaper to produce than the 360. Does the target audience care? No, it's unlikely they know just how much of a gap there is between the Wii and 360.

These same people then pay PC game prices for games that probably had development budgets in the hundred thousand range; maybe even less. For the price of a single "hard core" audience title they can produce several casual games that appeal to a much bigger audience.

So developers are looking at this and probably wondering why are they targeting this "hard core" audience when they could be making budget titles and milking the casuals? They are probably thinking maybe they can continue to make "hard core" titles; but make changes to make them accessible to causals.

That is why the so called "hard core" (I call it mainstream) care about casuals, the casual audience dumb down/simplify games and draw developers away from the mainstream.

To say that Mega Man on the NES is not difficult is to say you never played the games.JLF1

So, you're putting them in the same category as Animal Crossing or Wii Sports ?Gamer4Iife

Mega Man on the NES is not difficult. Mega Man 9 on WiiWare is not difficult. I have a tougher time paying my mortgage in Animal Crossing than I have beating a boss in Mega Man.AlexSays

:shock:

This is sig-worthy. Mega Man is widely recognized as one of the hardest games ever made.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Mega Man on the NES is not difficult. Mega Man 9 on WiiWare is not difficult. I have a tougher time paying my mortgage in Animal Crossing than I have beating a boss in Mega Man.Gamer4Iife

:shock:

This is sig-worthy.

I could say the same thing about Halo, GTA, and Call of Duty being casual. Heck, even Rainbow Six 3 is turning casual, and the series is known to be the most hardcore. To be honest, I really think that there's a bit of an elitist attitude being developed by "hardcore gamers" who think that casuals are ruining everything.hiphops_savior

Not at all. Completing your catalog in Animal Crossing is much harder than anything in any of those games. People seem to be confused by the definition of "difficult".AlexSays

Correction: YOU seem to be confused.

Difficult =/= Time-consuming.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Not at all. Completing your catalog in Animal Crossing is much harder than anything in any of those games. People seem to be confused by the definition of "difficult".Gamer4Iife

Correction: YOU seem to be confused.

Difficult =/= Time-consuming.