Why do people keep saying the PS3 is hard to develop for in time and resources

I'll give you an easy answer.

When basically every dev has said the PS3 is hard to develop for then you can be pretty certain that it's hard to develop for.

treedoor

lolz.....so much.....

So much wrong with this thread...GeneralShowzer

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[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

What you are saying has some truth, but all I keep seeing are games like Splinter Cell 576p, and now Alan Wake (reported 576p)....and I'm willing to bet Halo Reach fails to be anything graphically great as well...I'd bet my car that it won't be a Console technical marvel.

At some point you have to just give up the fight and call a spade a spade.

I'm a cow, but I'm a reasonable one. If XBOX 360 had what PS3 had, I would readily admit it, but 4 1/2 years and it still doesn't....and supposedly on an easier to develop for system.

Sorry, but truth is truth, bro.

Persistantthug

Ok vaderhater,

If I accept this excuse, when will we get something acceptable?

How long do we have to wait for this "optimized" XBOX 360 engine? Its been 4 1/2 years bro. Do we have to wait another 4 1/2 years?

At some point the excuses have to stop. So when? I'm serious....when?

Fanboys amuse me to no end. This made no logical sense at all.

Because it is very ahrd to program for unless you devote alot of time and money to it. SONY decided to ditch Conventional Console Arcehtectures in favor of a more ass backwards one that requires you to either devote a ton of money and resources to it to get it working right, or bend over backwards to dev for it.

developing games isnt a easy task period

if so,we would all be Devs

Actually, the people on the Microsoft team who approve games have really strict guidelines. They will playtest the **** out of each game to make sure it's up to their standards. I'm not kidding. They're really uptight about it.

One of the most difficult parts of making a game for the Xbox360 is getting past that Microsoft approval board.

Tc, do you even know what you are talking about?

developing games isnt a easy task period

if so,we would all be Devs

forza420

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developing games isnt a easy task period

if so,we would all be Devs

mitu123

I totally agree. I've been on a few mod teams with the job of providing 2D and 3D assets for some programmers. It's extremely time-consuming for both the programmers and artists.

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[QUOTE="forza420"]

developing games isnt a easy task period

if so,we would all be Devs

Shad0ki11

I totally agree. I've been on a few mod teams with the job of providing 2D and 3D assets for some programmers. It's extremely time-consuming for both the programmers and artists.

I'm working on 3 games now though, none are shooters too.:P

you do realize that the delays are due to finetuning the game and that remedy is only 50 people?

I'm sorry, but the cell is NOT that powerful compared to other CPU's out there today. Let's make this clear, OK? BOTH the PS3 & the 360 use outdated tech from '04. They're both about the same as each other when it comes to power & graphics.

The problem is that Sony created a crappy and confusing API. Its not that its just hard. Learning to develop software is hard, but implementing an API is not hard unless the API is poorly written. Sony needs to hire better software devs and engineers and create an intuitive API for next gen.lhughey

[QUOTE="lhughey"]The problem is that Sony created a crappy and confusing API. Its not that its just hard. Learning to develop software is hard, but implementing an API is not hard unless the API is poorly written. Sony needs to hire better software devs and engineers and create an intuitive API for next gen.HuusAsking

Wrong sir.

IBM has only discontinued the 32 SPE version, thats all.

No one said they were discontinuing the CELL or any of its further progressions or offshoots thereof.

Neither the CELL PROCESSOR nor parrallel programing is going away.

I'm sorry, but the cell is NOT that powerful compared to other CPU's out there today. Let's make this clear, OK? BOTH the PS3 & the 360 use outdated tech from '04. They're both about the same as each other when it comes to power & graphics.

garland51

But the XBOX 360 doesn't have any games to prove that.....in 4 1/2 years.....

:|

Alrighty then.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="lhughey"]The problem is that Sony created a crappy and confusing API. Its not that its just hard. Learning to develop software is hard, but implementing an API is not hard unless the API is poorly written. Sony needs to hire better software devs and engineers and create an intuitive API for next gen.Persistantthug

Wrong sir.

IBM has only discontinued the 32 SPE version, thats all.

No one said they were discontinuing the CELL or any of its further progressions or offshoots thereof.

Neither the CELL PROCESSOR nor parrallel programing is going away.

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]There's another issue as well. The techniques needed to develop well on the PS3 don't transfer well to other platforms. Sure there are some Cell BE devices out there, but they're not in gaming sectors. The Cell itself seems to be condemned to slow death: first as Sony backed out of the consortium that made it and later as IBM decided not to pursue Cell technology further. Odds are the PS4 won't be using a Cell as its main CPU.HuusAsking

Wrong sir.

IBM has only discontinued the 32 SPE version, thats all.

No one said they were discontinuing the CELL or any of its further progressions or offshoots thereof.

Neither the CELL PROCESSOR nor parrallel programing is going away.

You know what, HuusAsking,

You pretty much just said what I said about further progressions or offshoots, so I'm not even sure if I need to go on further...you made my point.

But just in case I do, this will help you,

In November 2009, an IBM representative said that it has discontinued the development of a Cell processor with 32 SPUs but they have not halted development of other future products in the Cell family

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

Wrong sir.

IBM has only discontinued the 32 SPE version, thats all.

No one said they were discontinuing the CELL or any of its further progressions or offshoots thereof.

Neither the CELL PROCESSOR nor parrallel programing is going away.

Persistantthug

You know what, HuusAsking,

You pretty much just said what I said about further progressions or offshoots, so I'm not even sure if I need to go on further...you made my point.

But just in case I do, this will help you,

In November 2009, an IBM representative said that it has discontinued the development of a Cell processor with 32 SPUs but they have not halted development of other future products in the Cell family

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Um...the 32-SPE Cell was the original Cell BE's successor, unless you can point me to where they're going now. Last I heard, IBM seemed more intent on incorporating Cell-like SPEs into their POWER line. Which is pretty much what other companies are doing. AMD is trying to put together ATI's GPU tech into a single Fusion processor. Intel's trying to do the same thing, but the sidelining of Larabee puts that into question.

HuusAsking

You know what, HuusAsking,

You pretty much just said what I said about further progressions or offshoots, so I'm not even sure if I need to go on further...you made my point.

But just in case I do, this will help you,

In November 2009, an IBM representative said that it has discontinued the development of a Cell processor with 32 SPUs but they have not halted development of other future products in the Cell family

Apparently, HuusAsking,

You and ars technica were mistaken and/or misinformed...

We managed to get hold of an IBM spokesperson an hour ago and they said that only one CPU development cycle is being 'halted' which is the successor to the current PowerXCell-8i cpu. IBM have said they are planning to work on other CPU's in the Cell Processor 'family' and we would assume that by the time the Playstation 4 hits market that they could very well be involved on some level.

I'm glad I could help straighten things out....your welcome :)

One more thing...

Wikipedia > ars technica...apparently.

;)