Why do people say Carmack is lazy, if he had a in-house sony dev there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGjIZc7lytg&feature=related

(about 6:00 in)

he's not lazy. Nonstop-Madness

I know but most cows(excluding you), are saying he is lazy/doesn't know what he is doing, yet he had a in-house sony dev there, no excuses.

Obviously one wouldn't be busy if he's working on 3 MULTIPLATFORM GAMES AT THE SAME TIME! Thats like 9 different copies lol. If you think about it even if he stretches his workload insanely and do 12 hour shifts per day, he only has a maximum of 1.something hours a day to work on each of them, thats not a lot you know.

I guess you can think about it like that, but people are obviously gonna disagree.

Obviously one wouldn't be busy if he's working on 3 MULTIPLATFORM GAMES AT THE SAME TIME! Thats like 9 different copies lol. If you think about it even if he stretches his workload insanely and do 12 hour shifts per day, he only has a maximum of 1.something hours a day to work on each of them, thats not a lot you know.

I guess you can think about it like that, but people are obviously gonna disagree.

PSdual_wielder

How does 3=9? Also, yea I agree.

not lazy but irrelevent. I respect all he has done for gaming in the past but when was the last time he has done anything relevent. Wake me up when id releases a top notch game this gen and maybe then i'll listen to him.

not lazy but irrelevent. I respect all he has done for gaming in the past but when was the last time he has done anything relevent. Wake me up when id releases a top notch game this gen and maybe then i'll listen to him.

jyoung312

He has always been top notch... In a technical way.

Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

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not lazy but irrelevent. I respect all he has done for gaming in the past but when was the last time he has done anything relevent. Wake me up when id releases a top notch game this gen and maybe then i'll listen to him.

Threebabycows

He has always been top notch... In a technical way.

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Obviously one wouldn't be busy if he's working on 3 MULTIPLATFORM GAMES AT THE SAME TIME! Thats like 9 different copies lol. If you think about it even if he stretches his workload insanely and do 12 hour shifts per day, he only has a maximum of 1.something hours a day to work on each of them, thats not a lot you know.

I guess you can think about it like that, but people are obviously gonna disagree.

Threebabycows

How does 3=9? Also, yea I agree.

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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

Obviously one wouldn't be busy if he's working on 3 MULTIPLATFORM GAMES AT THE SAME TIME! Thats like 9 different copies lol. If you think about it even if he stretches his workload insanely and do 12 hour shifts per day, he only has a maximum of 1.something hours a day to work on each of them, thats not a lot you know.

I guess you can think about it like that, but people are obviously gonna disagree.

Nonstop-Madness

How does 3=9? Also, yea I agree.

I was thinking of wolfenstein instead of quake live since that game is already done, but yea the point is still the same.

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[QUOTE="jyoung312"]

not lazy but irrelevent. I respect all he has done for gaming in the past but when was the last time he has done anything relevent. Wake me up when id releases a top notch game this gen and maybe then i'll listen to him.

jyoung312

He has always been top notch... In a technical way.

ON a technical level, I think there are already games that surpass KZ2, Rage is shaping up to look very good.

Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

AnnoyedDragon

Pretty much it right here. Games like Killzone 2, Uncharted and some others are the exception to the rule not the rule in general.

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Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

The__Havoc

Pretty much it right here. Games like Killzone 2, Uncharted and some others are the exception to the rule not the rule in general.

Even then they had a sony dev helping them for rage...so even those games are not valid excuses.

He´s not lazy. Ppl need to realise that the fact PS3 is hard to develop for is Sony´s fault only, not developer´s :?

If your making a multiplat, designing it on MS tools then porting it over to ps3, then it's not going to be as good as if it were natively coded for the ps3. Im assuming you are referencing to when someone said the ps3 version of rage was running at a slower framerate, which they since stated will not be the case.

porting to the ps3 is understandable but it's never going to unleash the ps3 in a way the native exclusives do, so if you are doing this to save time and money (once again its understandable) then you are open to being called lazy because you are skimping to save time and money.

Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

AnnoyedDragon

This is basically the truth here. Sorry cows but the console is hard to develop for and afewfirst party games which have direct funding and access to the hardware from Sony does not change anything.

Carmack isn't lazy. He is just past his primeCouth_

Because cows believe the cell is god and they believe everyone has a company like sony giving them resources to use the console to it's fullest.

If your making a multiplat, designing it on MS tools then porting it over to ps3, then it's not going to be as good as if it were natively coded for the ps3. Im assuming you are referencing to when someone said the ps3 version of rage was running at a slower framerate, which they since stated will not be the case.

porting to the ps3 is understandable but it's never going to unleash the ps3 in a way the native exclusives do, so if you are doing this to save time and money (once again its understandable) then you are open to being called lazy because you are skimping to save time and money.

kate_jones

Again, they had an in-house sony dev there, I don't know how so much trouble would come about, even with the sony dev there.

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If your making a multiplat, designing it on MS tools then porting it over to ps3, then it's not going to be as good as if it were natively coded for the ps3. Im assuming you are referencing to when someone said the ps3 version of rage was running at a slower framerate, which they since stated will not be the case.

porting to the ps3 is understandable but it's never going to unleash the ps3 in a way the native exclusives do, so if you are doing this to save time and money (once again its understandable) then you are open to being called lazy because you are skimping to save time and money.

Threebabycows

Again, they had an in-house sony dev there, I don't know how so much trouble would come about, even with the sony dev there.

what do you expect 1 sony dev to do, if he had the whole naughty dog team there for a year, then yeah.

but one dev to try and make the port process alittle smoother, is hardly the same as native code

[QUOTE="videogamesdead6"][QUOTE="Couth_"]Carmack isn't lazy. He is just past his primeCouth_

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[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

If your making a multiplat, designing it on MS tools then porting it over to ps3, then it's not going to be as good as if it were natively coded for the ps3. Im assuming you are referencing to when someone said the ps3 version of rage was running at a slower framerate, which they since stated will not be the case.

porting to the ps3 is understandable but it's never going to unleash the ps3 in a way the native exclusives do, so if you are doing this to save time and money (once again its understandable) then you are open to being called lazy because you are skimping to save time and money.

kate_jones

Again, they had an in-house sony dev there, I don't know how so much trouble would come about, even with the sony dev there.

what do you expect 1 sony dev to do, if he had the whole naughty dog team there for a year, then yeah.

but one dev to try and make the port process alittle smoother, is hardly the same as native code

I would think he would teach others..

not lazy but irrelevent. I respect all he has done for gaming in the past but when was the last time he has done anything relevent. Wake me up when id releases a top notch game this gen and maybe then i'll listen to him.

jyoung312

This is prime ignorance right here.

The qualities of his games over the past few years has nothing to do with this, he's one of the founders of gaming and he a technology genius, he knows what he's talking about more than most devs.

If he says the PS3 is hard to develop for, it's true.

Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

AnnoyedDragon

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[QUOTE="jyoung312"]

not lazy but irrelevent. I respect all he has done for gaming in the past but when was the last time he has done anything relevent. Wake me up when id releases a top notch game this gen and maybe then i'll listen to him.

jyoung312

He has always been top notch... In a technical way.

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He has always been top notch... In a technical way.

stepat201

Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

AnnoyedDragon

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Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

DontBeHatin1983

its thier job a doctor dosent say this operation is difficult an do a half a$$ job

DontBeHatin1983

It's their job to make games, not to butt heads with whatever experimental hardware Sony decides to push on the market.

Every other platform whether it is PC, 360 or Wii uses perfectly functional designs developers are comfortable with. PS3 is the odd one out yet developers are being expected to relearn how they do everything to accommodate just one platform.

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its thier job a doctor dosent say this operation is difficult an do a half a$$ job

AnnoyedDragon

It's their job to make games, not to butt heads with whatever experimental hardware Sony decides to push on the market.

Every other platform whether it is PC, 360 or Wii uses perfectly functional designs developers are comfortable with. PS3 is the odd one out yet developers are being expected to relearn how they do everything to accommodate just one platform.

its still their job thats what they do, they get paid for it

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[QUOTE="DontBeHatin1983"]

its thier job a doctor dosent say this operation is difficult an do a half a$$ job

DontBeHatin1983

It's their job to make games, not to butt heads with whatever experimental hardware Sony decides to push on the market.

Every other platform whether it is PC, 360 or Wii uses perfectly functional designs developers are comfortable with. PS3 is the odd one out yet developers are being expected to relearn how they do everything to accommodate just one platform.

its still their job thats what they do, they get paid for it

And gaming companies have this thing called a budget. If the PS3 is going to make them go over it, which I suspect happens alot, the PS3 version is going to be released half assed.

its still their job thats what they do, they get paid for it

DontBeHatin1983

They are doing the job they get paid for, Sony's the one at fault here for making that job needlessly more difficult. Now you can point the finger at the people having no problem developing games for 3/4 of the current gen systems; or you can blame the company that made it unusually difficult to develop for in the first place.

it's no secret that ps3 is harder to develop for.

people are under the impression that just because it seems to be running slower on ps3, that ps3 is less powerful. It just takes longer to get it running smoothly on ps3. that's why you see all the unnecissary damage controlling.

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its still their job thats what they do, they get paid for it

AnnoyedDragon

They are doing the job they get paid for, Sony's the one at fault here for making that job needlessly more difficult. Now you can point the finger at the people having no problem developing games for 3/4 of the current gen systems; or you can blame the company that made it unusually difficult to develop for in the first place.

u can blame sony all u want it dosent change the fact that...

DontBeHatin1983

It's their freaking hardware!

Cows really are incredible in the lengths they go to blame "everyone" but Sony's hardware choices.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Cows call anyone who criticises the PS3's development difficulty lazy, because clearly it is everyone else's fault Cell is hard to develop for.

DontBeHatin1983

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[QUOTE="DontBeHatin1983"]

its still their job thats what they do, they get paid for it

DontBeHatin1983

They are doing the job they get paid for, Sony's the one at fault here for making that job needlessly more difficult. Now you can point the finger at the people having no problem developing games for 3/4 of the current gen systems; or you can blame the company that made it unusually difficult to develop for in the first place.

He´s not lazy. Ppl need to realise that the fact PS3 is hard to develop for is Sony´s fault only, not developer´s :?

PAL360