Why do people say ODST is not worth 60$?

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#51 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Some visual novels that aren't too low budget have around 50+ hours for one playthrough, to go through all the routes takes 200+ or more hours if you don't skip through it.Yandere
Aren't visual novels, like, a mega dead genre outside Japan?
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#52 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Because it isn't?

It really is supposed to be an expansion, Bungie even said so, and it was also suppoed to be less than $60, I'm still getting it (mostly to try out firefight and the new play style), but I wish it wasn't $60. If I liked Halo 3 more I might have been more enthusiastic, but Halo 3 kind of disappointed me compared to Halo 2 and 1.

This isn't halo3 though, its not even an expansion anymore, they have changed the gameplay, there is no regen health... completely different pacing, a sandbox world, i'm actually pumped about this, at first i wasn't really but now that i've actually been paying attention to it, it really looks good.

It isn't Halo 3 though but they felt it nessary to make the title "Halo 3 ODST"? Then the devs were saying it was an expansion essentially before MS decided they wanted to make more money off it.......now it's "a whole new game that is worth the price tag". I'm sure you also believe L4D2 is worth its purchase price.

bungie was the one that came out and said the expansion has more content then an expansion, and its actually got pat of halo3 in it, you get the halo3 multplayer and an all new campain that is not like the other halos at all. You also get all the map packs from halo 3 which i havn't bought yet so its an extremely good deal for $60. And with out those map packs i'd just say its only a good deal. l4d2 can die an a fire, i'm waiting for the rest of the first one
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#53 Yandere
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[QUOTE="Yandere"]Some visual novels that aren't too low budget have around 50+ hours for one playthrough, to go through all the routes takes 200+ or more hours if you don't skip through it.IronBass
Aren't visual novels, like, a mega dead genre outside Japan?

Yes, they never reached popularity outside Japan (so far).

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#54 salxis
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[QUOTE="salxis"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

A normal length campain? For recent FPSes maybe, but anything that is under 25-30 hours isn't worth 60 bucks.

Yandere

How many games in existence (Other than RPG) has more than 25 hours of SP campaign? If you meant like sports/racing game career modes, those are essentially multiplayer settings with specific goal isn't it? No offense, I am just really curious because my recent longest game was MGS4 which was around 14 hours gameplay (minus cut scenes) in normal difficulty without a guide.

Some visual novels that aren't too low budget have around 50+ hours for one playthrough, to go through all the routes takes 200+ or more hours if you don't skip through it.

Fair enough, since I've never played those type of games I can't really comment on it :) and @ club, yeah I totally forgot about GTA series
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#55 nini200
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[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

[QUOTE="spike6566"]because the GRaPHics are so outdated . /shrugIronBass


i hope your joking

But the graphics do feel a little outdated.

Soo True, we've seen it before. Moving on.

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#56 Led_poison
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it started out as an xpac and should be price accordingly

as a person who owns all of the DLC maps, i really dont see paying 60 dollars for 3 new maps

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#57 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="Led_poison"]

it started out as an xpac and should be price accordingly

as a person who owns all of the DLC maps, i really dont see paying 60 dollars for 3 new maps

the sp is longer then a normal expansion pack, that alone makes it worth 60, games like infamous came out that can be beat in comparable time and have no MP for $60. Honestly as nice as expansion packs are, I'm always left wishing they just added the extra game and released it as an expansion but with enough content to be a full game.
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#59 Unassigned
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Because it's Halo, and therefore should be bashed by the uninformed, and ignorant masses

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#60 Yandere
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[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because it's Halo, and therefore should be praised by the uninformed, and ignorant masses

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#61 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Has anyone ever complained about a new game with a 60$ price tag? No. Why do people complain about this one? Because it was supposed to be a 40$ expansion, but turned into a 60$ full game. If no one knew it was supposed to be a 40$ expansion, no one would give a ****Desmonic
Exactly. His point was that this "supposed 40$ expansion that turned into a 60$ full game" offered as much content (if not more) than some of those games with a $60 price tag that no one has ever complained about. Very valid point, very good example, very good comparison.
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#62 Led_poison
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[QUOTE="Led_poison"]

it started out as an xpac and should be price accordingly

as a person who owns all of the DLC maps, i really dont see paying 60 dollars for 3 new maps

savagetwinkie

the sp is longer then a normal expansion pack, that alone makes it worth 60, games like infamous came out that can be beat in comparable time and have no MP for $60. Honestly as nice as expansion packs are, I'm always left wishing they just added the extra game and released it as an expansion but with enough content to be a full game.

clearly can tell this guy has not played Infamous

anyway back on topic, expansions on consoles, god knows if they will ever reach the same quality as pc xpacs

Lost and Damned

10-15 hours of gameplay

new mp modes

new weapons and vehicles

price: $20

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#64 MikeT072
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Because people are ig'nit.
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#65 wayne_kar
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Yandere"]Some visual novels that aren't too low budget have around 50+ hours for one playthrough, to go through all the routes takes 200+ or more hours if you don't skip through it.Yandere

Aren't visual novels, like, a mega dead genre outside Japan?

Yes, they never reached popularity outside Japan (so far).

i just googled what a visual novel is..... have you really spent 200 hours on one
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#66 Next-Gen-Tec
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Campaign is probably short, and multiplayer only benefits those who play online. Also, if you have Halo 3 online it's not much value, especially if you have all the current maps. Also, Firefight has no matchmaking which means that if you don't have many friends who play Halo 3 let alone ODST, you have to play Halo 3 to then meet people to play on ODST or something, you see what I mean?
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#67 Yandere
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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] Aren't visual novels, like, a mega dead genre outside Japan?wayne_kar

Yes, they never reached popularity outside Japan (so far).

i just googled what a visual novel is..... have you really spent 200 hours on one

Yes, like Little Busters.

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#68 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]

it started out as an xpac and should be price accordingly

as a person who owns all of the DLC maps, i really dont see paying 60 dollars for 3 new maps

the sp is longer then a normal expansion pack, that alone makes it worth 60, games like infamous came out that can be beat in comparable time and have no MP for $60. Honestly as nice as expansion packs are, I'm always left wishing they just added the extra game and released it as an expansion but with enough content to be a full game.

I thought the SP is 3-5 hours?
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#69 CwlHeddwyn
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Because this is System Wars. Fanboys will say anything about a game they hate.

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#70 Floppy_Jim
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There's no matchmaking in Firefight, it's pretty pathetic how they're charging $60. But I have it pre-ordered for 30GBP, cheap for a brand new game in the UK.

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You don't know how long the campaign is. And it's not worth $60 because most, if not all PC expansions are around $30-40 and have more content than most console games.
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#72 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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There's no matchmaking in Firefight, it's pretty pathetic how they're charging $60. But I have it pre-ordered for 30GBP, cheap for a brand new game in the UK.

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#73 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Because it's more of the same.
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#74 deactivated-619c4c1a1a382
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lol, because its halo should be trademarked.

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#75 Floppy_Jim
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

There's no matchmaking in Firefight, it's pretty pathetic how they're charging $60. But I have it pre-ordered for 30GBP, cheap for a brand new game in the UK.

IronBass

Amazon.co.uk? I so love that site.

Actually- Shopto.net. They're better than Amazon.

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#76 silentkill62696
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I actually remember 360 fans dismissing Heavenly Sword because of its short gameplay. Thought it was a rent for the money you had to pay. In fact, this was during the time they used to say "Teh Ps3 Haz n0 gAm3s". What goes around comes around.

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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Amazon.co.uk? I so love that site.Floppy_Jim

Actually- Shopto.net. They're better than Amazon.

Got it preordered there too
You don't know how long the campaign is. And it's not worth $60 because most, if not all PC expansions are around $30-40 and have more content than most console games.aaronmullan
A lot of PC expansions have more content that $60 console games. Why is it just ODST getting this hate? It has more value than CERTAIN $60 console games, and comparable value to others.
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#78 Cow_tipping
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Because cows think all it is is an expansion. New characters, new 8 hour campaign, new multiplayer maps, firefight, new story, same old halo 3 multiplayer... ftw.

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the gta4 lost and dammed dlc story is 12-20 hours long for $20 so i can see how some would think halo 3 odst is not worth $60 especially for those that already bought all the map packs
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#79 soliderPp
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Is any FPS worth $60?

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#80 treyskillz
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It's Halo 3: ODST, it says expanison in the title. 3 new maps for Halo 3 MP, a surivial mode (a la L4D), and a campaign. GTA4: Episodes of Liberty City is $40 and has twice the content. L4D2 feels like an expansion because it comes out soon but it's bigger than the first in everyway. Unlike ODST, which plays off of Halo 3.

It shouldn't be $60 IMO, but I'm buying it because I play Halo a lot (and I want recon & Reach Beta ... hmm I don't think I'd care without those 2 things)

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You don't know how long the campaign is. And it's not worth $60 because most, if not all PC expansions are around $30-40 and have more content than most console games.aaronmullan
So by that you are saying that most console games aren't worth $60 right?

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]You don't know how long the campaign is. And it's not worth $60 because most, if not all PC expansions are around $30-40 and have more content than most console games.ujjval16

So by that you are saying that most console games aren't worth $60 right?

Correct. But ODST has even less content, so it should be $20 like Lost and Damned.
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#83 z4twenny
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because its a rehash of a sequel to a mediocre fps.

i like the halo theme song, but thats about it

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]

it started out as an xpac and should be price accordingly

as a person who owns all of the DLC maps, i really dont see paying 60 dollars for 3 new maps

Chutebox

the sp is longer then a normal expansion pack, that alone makes it worth 60, games like infamous came out that can be beat in comparable time and have no MP for $60. Honestly as nice as expansion packs are, I'm always left wishing they just added the extra game and released it as an expansion but with enough content to be a full game.

I thought the SP is 3-5 hours?

Well that's what they first said when theyannounced it as an expansion that"they couldn't see themselves charging full price for." However,since then they added so much to it that it doesn't seem like to far of a stretch to think that maybe they added more content to the single player as well. I don't know either way for certain, Could anyone post a up-to-date link of everything that Halo: ODST is offering, including single player length?

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#85 h575309
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="ujjval16"]

You don't know how long the campaign is. And it's not worth $60 because most, if not all PC expansions are around $30-40 and have more content than most console games.aaronmullan
So by that you are saying that most console games aren't worth $60 right?

Correct. But ODST has even less content, so it should be $20 like Lost and Damned.

No, it doesnt.
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#86 Next-Gen-Tec
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

There's no matchmaking in Firefight, it's pretty pathetic how they're charging $60. But I have it pre-ordered for 30GBP, cheap for a brand new game in the UK.

Floppy_Jim

Amazon.co.uk? I so love that site.

Actually- Shopto.net. They're better than Amazon.

Hey, no spamming you :P Dirt 2 pretty cheap too. I am tempted.
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#87 PAL360
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Its just another way to bash the game. Ppl hate it because its popular.

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#88 nosedive7
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In terms of multiplayer this is basically a 60$ map pack.

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Many people play Halo 90% of the time for the multiplayer. This one doesn't have a new multiplayer.II-FBIsniper-II
Firefight says "hello". :P
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#90 Shad0ki11
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If you can't get it for $60, just get the game used at a lower price. Problem solved. Geez.

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#91 Ross_the_B0SS
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If ODST isn't worth $60 then so aren't most games released this generation. It's as simple as that. They should have never called this an expansion, we wouldn't be having this argument right now.

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#92 Communistsheep
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[QUOTE="ujjval16"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]You don't know how long the campaign is. And it's not worth $60 because most, if not all PC expansions are around $30-40 and have more content than most console games.aaronmullan

So by that you are saying that most console games aren't worth $60 right?

Correct. But ODST has even less content, so it should be $20 like Lost and Damned.

So what happens when somebody says it is worth it, is he wrong then?
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#93 xgraderx
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ODST is a full game now and didnt Cows pay $40 for a demo.

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Many people play Halo 90% of the time for the multiplayer. This one doesn't have a new multiplayer.II-FBIsniper-II

This exactly.

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#95 Communistsheep
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[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]Many people play Halo 90% of the time for the multiplayer. This one doesn't have a new multiplayer.hanslacher54

This exactly.

I guess firefight doesn't exist, or the halo reach multiplayer BETA.
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#96 LOXO7
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There is no way to tell if they added more to the game from the original price tag of $40. All we can do is wait and see.