Why do people say PC is "held back" by consoles?

well according to a lot of news and ppl in the forums, pc gaming is thriving and steam has more concurrent users than consoles. It doesnt look like consoles are holding pc back from anything...its the devs and publishers

thats good. like i said in previously above, its not consoles that are holding pc back, its the devs and publishers

Nothing of what you said has anything to do with what my point was. ..

You said pc's power goes wasted because of X360/PS3. Cranler made the claim that pc power goes wasted because not enough pc gamers buy cutting edge games like Crysis.

Its a stupid fanboy myth created by PC elitists to make them feel more secure about their $1,000ish PCs. The truth is that devs have to take all sorts of configurations into account when developing games for any platform, especially the PC since there is a wide range of configurations in the market, most being mid range or low end.

A 750ti isn't low end. I'm still rocking a 460 so by your standard I'd be even lower than low-low-end, something like pathetic-end.

Because fanboys.

I meant that the 750ti is the low end card for the 700 series.

And yes a 460 is pretty old and was never a high end card it was mid end 4 years ago.

Ah then all is good. And yes I know my 460 is kinda pathetic but I'm not much of a PCGamer so it's enough right now. I'll upgrade to a 860 when it releases though, I wanna play GTA V on PC since that will undoubtedly be the best version.

And that is true. Crytek tried to chase that console money because their game got pirated more than it got bought. Sadly for them they failed and now they're crying and selling all their IPs so that they can make F2P games.

Steam concurrent user count is to be tsken with a grain of salt. Steam logs in users by default on bootup. I'm logged into steam right now.

Last time I checked only about 11% of steam users had pc's better than the PS 4. It's also quite possible that those with killer rigs are more likely to participate in the survey.

Based on what evidence?

i'd also like to know this. been using steam for years and i dont even know where to take this survey.

Sounds like Timster is implying that people with great pc's like to show them off thus they are more likely to participate in the survey.

Survey request comes up randomly. I get maybe 2 requests a year.

Watchdogs.

And it's not always about graphics.

The game would have never been made had it not been for consoles though.

@SolidGame_basic:

Isn't PC held back by PC? I mean, most people don't buy or upgrade to the highest hardware every year. I would imagine developers want to make games for the majority of people, so they have to have a pretty wide scale, which includes many people who have low end PCs and last gen consoles. Also, aren't hardcore PC gamers in the minority?

that's why PC games have multiple settings to choose from including resolution, anti-aliasing filters, lighting effects, texture sizes, shadow quality, etc. so you can get the most out of whatever your PC hardware may be. and for the ignorants out there they almost always include low, medium, high, and ultra for the default settings.

PC is held back by console because the current business model says if you make a AAA title it has to be across 3/4 platforms. If that is the case then you create the game to work on the weakest of these platforms. I can't blame the developers and publishers, games are expensive to make and they want the greatest ROI but it is frustrating to have so much stagnation in the industry.

@cainetao11: I think you just won the internet

My acceptance speech: I'd like to thank the human beings who come here, and although may have a slight preference in platform understand that other platforms play games. We like games. In business one doesn't have to buy what one doesn't wish to. So play on anything, if possible everything.

Second, I still believe the reason people say "PC is held back by consoles" is because the TCs anus, as I said in my second post on page 1.

More drivel, still no substantiation for the claim that consoles "hold back" PC games. It's really a claim only people who have a limited understanding of what game design is, indicated by your additional claim that a game is not testing your execution digitally. Yes, fundamentally at every level that is what a game is testing: your execution of commands. Hardware these days *does not limit* this to the extent that it can be implemented. Do you get this? It doesn't matter what it's being developed for.

Action games are not less complicated than RTS games; in fact, RTS games are substantially slowed down action in many regards. You're opening up a much different can of worms with that.

There are also many games you can't play well with a keyboard (and mouse), but you cried instead of admitting it. Also, game design on a particular platform literally has nothing to do with the control scheme. You also have not admitted this simple fact.

As an aside, I can bring up 2-4 button games that are so complicated you would not be able to beat them in years. As an example, I'll post a 3 button game released around the era I referred to when a game could maximally test the player via execution. Keep in mind there are a lot of tactical and strategic maneuvers to maintain both score and completion, and difficulty is not the variable I am referring to.
http://youtu.be/uuFSjmpYBEQ?t=19m56s
I've began the video at his playthrough of the second loop (first loop is hard enough) of the game just to give you an idea of how complicated the game is despite the seemingly simple control scheme. I hope you learn something from watching this. Maybe you could try the game out as well; I recommend it to every gamer as a break from passive gaming. It's a problem if you can easily beat every game in your library without improving.

ugh... you take forever to say nothing. No I don't want to play that game. way off topic here...... did you even read the OP? Because it looks like I didn't.

Give it a rest, bud. We all know games involve pressing buttons.

It makes me sad, honestly.

All this hate and arguing over pointless shit has killed my passion for gaming. I hate it that this hobby that I once held strong passion for is represented by people who constantly argue over who has the better system. People need to just fucking learn to live and let live. Get over the stupid horseshit, and just play games.

My passion for gaming died when I realized that the most vocal people who play games don't do it because they love games..... they do it to achieve the "best" possible gaming rig possible so they can gloat about it.

I just got back into PC gaming. Pretty rad.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BmXYf7

A 600 series Nvidia graphics card I'd guess, or the AMD equivalent.

"PC"s don't have "generations", but hardware components sure do, and considering the GPU is by far the most important piece of hardware related to gaming performance it makes sense to group PCs by their relative gaming performance based on what series (or "generation") graphics card they have.

@SolidGame_basic: Because there is too much money in console game sales for Devs to ignore it. So, they have to make their games have some sort of parity. PCs can produce better graphics than the PS4/XBox One right now. In 3-4 years, the difference will be quite dramatic. But, most PC gamers won't get to experience everything thier machines have to offer because most games will have a console version, and the graphic engines will be mostly designed with consoles in mind.

It's true. But, I hate gaming on a PC, so I don't care too much.

End of the day its the developers decision. Its just people want to point their anger somewhere.

Really no way for me to argue. The graphical difference in PS4 and X1 is, so far an afterthought. Is the PS4 more powerful? Yes. Is it a game breaking difference? No. And if it is, why settle for less than high end PC? Because that difference is already bigger, only to get bigger. Games. That's what its about. And that is completely subjective. There are retarded human beings who think if something is rated low by the majority that means something is wrong with a person for liking it. These sad souls make me laugh at how trapped inside an idea they are.