Why do people say that MGS4 cant be done on th 360?

Adrian: Oh yeah? You have played it? You know from experience? .... Interesting. I don't doubt the physics are going to be impressive, hell for the PS3's sake they and everything else about the game better be amazing, but I just cannot stand when people take something that is said without any evidence and completely believes in it. Wait until there is actual, real, in-game footage of the game before predictions of how awesome or how terrible things will be. moohan

TGS06: Alpha Gameplay footage!(shocker..looks pretty damn good for alpha)
Only on these boards are the developers words and credibiliy account for less than personal opinion. 
I predict 

Gameplay -9
Graphics  -10
Sound-     -10
Value       -9
Tilt          -10
9.7! Ofourse this is being very optomistic. :)

[QUOTE="moohan"]Adrian: Oh yeah? You have played it? You know from experience? .... Interesting. I don't doubt the physics are going to be impressive, hell for the PS3's sake they and everything else about the game better be amazing, but I just cannot stand when people take something that is said without any evidence and completely believes in it. Wait until there is actual, real, in-game footage of the game before predictions of how awesome or how terrible things will be. Adrian_Cloud

TGS06: Alpha Gameplay footage!(shocker..looks pretty damn good for alpha)
Only on these boards are the developers words and credibiliy account for less than personal opinion. 
I predict 

Gameplay -9
Graphics  -10
Sound-     -10
Value       -9
Tilt          -10
9.7! Ofourse this is being very optomistic. :)

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="moohan"]Adrian: Oh yeah? You have played it? You know from experience? .... Interesting. I don't doubt the physics are going to be impressive, hell for the PS3's sake they and everything else about the game better be amazing, but I just cannot stand when people take something that is said without any evidence and completely believes in it. Wait until there is actual, real, in-game footage of the game before predictions of how awesome or how terrible things will be. moohan

TGS06: Alpha Gameplay footage!(shocker..looks pretty damn good for alpha)
Only on these boards are the developers words and credibiliy account for less than personal opinion.
I predict

Gameplay -9
Graphics -10
Sound- -10
Value -9
Tilt -10
9.7! Ofourse this is being very optomistic. :)

ha. same here. 

You guys do realize the trailer for MGS4 could be another Killzone 2 like trailer where its not even running on the hardware. black_awpN1

People said the same thing about MGS2 when it was shown at E3,  they said it was CG and when it got released, look how it turned out.

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I think that games made to exploit either the 360's or Ps3's advantages specifically would basically have to be rebuilt for the other platform...these are also probably the ones that'd  stand out on their respective platforms whereas multiplats wouldn't be taking full advantage and so would seem rather pathetic in comparison!

so in its current form MGS4 isn't possible on the x360, it'd have to be completely reworked! 

Nagidar

No, you are wrong, the models, animtions, AI, textures, story, CGI videos, HUD, controls, presentation owuld NOT have to be redone at all, just a 10% of the game would have to be redone, if that, since the  GPU rendering part would not be that different anyway, both GPU's are DX9 parts, they could optimize for DX10 effects on 360 more next gen part of course

Only the 360 uses DX, the PS3 uses OpenGL, DX is owned by MS and SONY cannot use it.

Still it owuld be 10% of the initial work, same for FF13, i expect both to appear on 360, FF13 100% and MGS4 70% possibility

FFXIII WOULD in fact need to be reworked, its using an engine specifically built around the Cell, don't expect that game to come to the 360.

Not again, FF13 would have to be redone, 10%, that is the engine, nothing else, will i ever get it over with you you people, a 3 year old would understand what i say 100 times faster i suppose

No, you don't understand, the White Engine is specific to the Cell and FFXIII is built around that, it would have to be reworked to be used on another engine, the engine a game uses is the biggest thing for a game, its what is used to put everything in place, imagine trying to put FFXIII on the Diablo engine(Just an example), it just wouldn't work without being reworked, it would in fact be a long process.

Hey mate, welcome to 2007, now engines are independant of the 3d models, textures, Ai, animations etc, so they do not have to change all those when doing anything to the engine, i am sure if you check any programming book, you will see that the first lesson is that you make everyhting as independant as possible, even in engine functions of rendering, so you can adapt between things like directx and opengl, see i happen to have read 100x the things you have read in 3D engines programming

So, 10% of the original work would go to port it to 360, it is NOT as you think it is, educate yourself, then come back and we can discuss it further

 BTW my prediction for graphics score in MGS4, 7/10

anyone with a brain knows its possible on both systems.

Kojima has never pushed hardware in the past so I doubt this iteration of MGS will be any different -- and judging by those screens I've seen this could definitely by a multiplat.

Really folks, let the cows have MGS 4, it looks like a decent shooter, nothing lemmings are gonna lose sleep over.

And this nonsense about it not being able to be done on the 360 is just tooooo hilarious, of course it could be done, only immature diehard fanboys would think otherwise.

And from the footage I have seen from the game, I wouldn't worry too much about it not coming to the 360, doesn't look "that" good.

Ok... so if you believe Kojima... completely up to you of course... that would mean you would have to believe Ubisoft and their recent rediculous claim that the things being done in the new Splinter Cell (that is exclusive to the X360) can not be done on the PS3. So I ask you this.... do you believe them?moohan

Really folks, let the cows have MGS 4, it looks like a decent shooter, nothing lemmings are gonna lose sleep over.

And this nonsense about it not being able to be done on the 360 is just tooooo hilarious, of course it could be done, only immature diehard fanboys would think otherwise.

And from the footage I have seen from the game, I wouldn't worry too much about it not coming to the 360, doesn't look "that" good.

AgentVX

agreed - i mean i own a ps3 but i'd never buy MGS, never enjoyed the limited freedom and dull as dirt AI. so yeah - i couldn't care less if it goes multi, don't matter to me.

For the same reason that Splinter Cell 5 can only be done on 360, Lair only on PS3, MGS4 only on PS3 and formerly DMC4 only on PS3. Its because the dev says so.Blackbond

Yeah but Kojima always keeps his word same with Factor 5 and Capcom well LOL they never keep thier word its always $$ in there eyes.

(Please note this is not a lemming thread, just a question)

I have personaly excepted the fact that MGS4 will never be on th e360. But what irritates me the most is the fact that everyone says that MGS4 is, "too advanced for the 360" How is it too advanced, because of the Camo. So it can mimic the background, why cant th e360 do that. I dosent seem that super complecated. I still refuse to believe that this game cannot be done on 360 Hardware.

black_awpN1

The 360 is crap.  More like a Xbox 1.5  It doesn't even have a hdd lol.  I bet Killer Instinct 3 wont even run on it. 

I love MGS4 and as much as I'd hate to admit it MGS4 probably can be done on X360, thats not to say

Ps3 isn't the more powerful system because I think it is (if only slightly)  

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(Please note this is not a lemming thread, just a question)

I have personaly excepted the fact that MGS4 will never be on th e360. But what irritates me the most is the fact that everyone says that MGS4 is, "too advanced for the 360" How is it too advanced, because of the Camo. So it can mimic the background, why cant th e360 do that. I dosent seem that super complecated. I still refuse to believe that this game cannot be done on 360 Hardware.

NocturnalDemon

The 360 is crap. More like a Xbox 1.5 It doesn't even have a hdd lol. I bet Killer Instinct 3 wont even run on it.

Well, you can ahve your, "supercomputer" Me, im going to be palying games, something the PS3 hasnt been doing very well as of late.