Why do publishers force in multiplayer modes when....

95% (yes a random high number) of the people who play the game will either not play it OR quickly play it but abandon it and return to their normal multiplayer game (i.e Call of Duty on consoles).

For example;

"The multiplayer mode of Spec Ops: The Line was never a focus of the development, but the publisher was determined to have it anyway. It was literally a check box that the financial predictions said we needed, and 2K was relentless in making sure that it happened - even at the detriment of the overall project and the perception of the game," lead game designer Cory Davis told Polygon as part of an engaging and expansive interview..

"It sheds a negative light on all of the meaningful things we did in the single-player experience. The multiplayer game's tone is entirely different, the game mechanics were raped to make it happen, and it was a waste of money. No-one is playing it, and I don't even feel like it's part of the overall package - it's another game rammed onto the disk like a cancerous growth, threatening to destroy the best things about the experience that the team at Yager put their heart and souls into creating."

Multiplayer was "tacked on", "low-quality", "bullsh**", "should not exist", and "tossed out the creative pillars of the product", Davis went on to say.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-29-yager-spec-ops-multiplayer-was-bullsh-and-should-not-exist

Multiplayer is better tehn nothing especially in really short games like uncharted.

Dont like it dont play it.

Because of random idiots who say "no MP = rent". Next thing we'll have multiplayer in games like Silent Hill.

Yeah MP feels like a waste of resources in many games. Who was clamouring for online multi in Mass Effect? It was actually decent fun but it's not like it'll replace COD or Gears or Halo...locopatho

I'd like to know this as well.

Even when I eventually get bored and think 'oh, what the heck, I'll give the multiplayer a shot', I go to the lobby only to find that no-one plays MP. Budget well spent...

Not sure, but i agree! Games like Mass Effect and TES should focus just on singleplayer and games like Battlefield should focus just on multiplayer. I hate when devs add a crappy new modes just to please everyone.

Not sure, but i agree! Games like Mass Effect and TES should focus just on singleplayer and games like Battlefield should focus just on multiplayer. I hate when devs add a crappy new modes just to please everyone.

PAL360

LOL. I forgot about how they added an SP mode to BF3. Oh well, I suppose that isn't quite as bad. At least you don't need other people to be playing the game at the same time if you're that bored.

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Not sure, but i agree! Games like Mass Effect and TES should focus just on singleplayer and games like Battlefield should focus just on multiplayer. I hate when devs add a crappy new modes just to please everyone.

Blade8Aus

LOL. I forgot about how they added an SP mode to BF3. Oh well, I suppose that isn't quite as bad. At least you don't need other people to be playing the game at the same time if you're that bored.

For me its a waste of dev time and disc space. I would rather have 5 or 6 extra multiplayer maps and modes, over a crappy campaign i couldnt even finish :P

I really do hate tacked on Multiplayer.

It doesn't feel right. Like God of War Accension (really don't feel like there should BE another God of War game after 3 anyway.) God of War should stay Single Player Focused and not Multiplayer.

But same goes for Multiplayer games like Battlefield.

Battlefield 3 didn't need Single Player at all.

Can't we just have Single Player Games and Multiplayer Games and everything in between like the Good ol' Days?

Because of random idiots who say "no MP = rent". Next thing we'll have multiplayer in games like Silent Hill.

KiZZo1

I really do hate tacked on Multiplayer.

It doesn't feel right. Like God of War Accension (really don't feel like there should BE another God of War game after 3 anyway.) God of War should stay Single Player Focused and not Multiplayer.

But same goes for Multiplayer games like Battlefield.

Battlefield 3 didn't need Single Player at all.

Can't we just have Single Player Games and Multiplayer Games and everything in between like the Good ol' Days?

LegatoSkyheart

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Because of random idiots who say "no MP = rent". Next thing we'll have multiplayer in games like Silent Hill.

1PMrFister

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

Because of random idiots who say "no MP = rent". Next thing we'll have multiplayer in games like Silent Hill.

1PMrFister

Then maybe they should try to save money from the development of unnecessary features and lower the price accordingly.

At least publishers are trying to add something different rather than the same old and giving a chance for consumers to try it.

[QUOTE="1PMrFister"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

Because of random idiots who say "no MP = rent". Next thing we'll have multiplayer in games like Silent Hill.

KiZZo1

Then maybe they should try to save money from the development of unnecessary features and lower the price accordingly.

I tried Binary Domain a week ago online, literally 0 players.

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I really do hate tacked on Multiplayer.

It doesn't feel right. Like God of War Accension (really don't feel like there should BE another God of War game after 3 anyway.) God of War should stay Single Player Focused and not Multiplayer.

But same goes for Multiplayer games like Battlefield.

Battlefield 3 didn't need Single Player at all.

Can't we just have Single Player Games and Multiplayer Games and everything in between like the Good ol' Days?

campzor

exactly! There was no need for Singleplayer for that game!

It's like all of those Singleplayer games adding Multiplayer in them that DON'T NEED THEM.

I really do hate tacked on Multiplayer.

It doesn't feel right. Like God of War Accension (really don't feel like there should BE another God of War game after 3 anyway.) God of War should stay Single Player Focused and not Multiplayer.

But same goes for Multiplayer games like Battlefield.

Battlefield 3 didn't need Single Player at all.

Can't we just have Single Player Games and Multiplayer Games and everything in between like the Good ol' Days?

LegatoSkyheart

Uncharted 1 was fine, Uncharted to incorporated both regular multiplayer modes and co-op and was praised as one of the better games this gen. It can obviously be done without sacrificing anything on the SP while still keeping a decent MP. Honestly, Naughty Dog should keep up that high amount of production value if they ever decides to make an Uncharted game for the PS4.

GOW getting MP? We'll I dunno about that, but if it works out I see nothing wrong with it. The SP in GOW is always good and the games usually come with a challenge mode, so an additional multiplayer feature will fit right in and add even more value to the game.

It shouldn't be about "replacing" the bigger games or challenging game such as CoD or BF in terms of online multiplayer, but about adding as much value to a game without sacrificing anything and maybe even offer sometihng different.

Mass Effect 3 is another example of where a decent MP mode was incorporated without sacrificing the SP. Let Bioware get more experience and we might see something decent MP-wise one day. Here's hoping for a more proper co-op campaign.

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I really do hate tacked on Multiplayer.

It doesn't feel right. Like God of War Accension (really don't feel like there should BE another God of War game after 3 anyway.) God of War should stay Single Player Focused and not Multiplayer.

But same goes for Multiplayer games like Battlefield.

Battlefield 3 didn't need Single Player at all.

Can't we just have Single Player Games and Multiplayer Games and everything in between like the Good ol' Days?

parkurtommo

Single Player Games = Examples: Castlevania, The Legend of Zelda, Megaman, Metal Gear, Ninja Gaiden, etc...

Multiplayer Games = Examples: Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc...

everything in between (aka Co-Op) = Examples: Mario, Metal Slug, Monster Hunter, Contra, etc....

But you see, Co-Op can still be played Single Player. That's not what I'm raging about, Co-Op by all means is good for Multiplayer great even. It's the Games that Tack on Team Death Match just because they fear once someone is done with their game they'll go trade it in cause there's no Replay Value.

If they know their game has no replay value in it then why even bother making the game?

I really do hate tacked on Multiplayer.

It doesn't feel right. Like God of War Accension (really don't feel like there should BE another God of War game after 3 anyway.) God of War should stay Single Player Focused and not Multiplayer.

But same goes for Multiplayer games like Battlefield.

Battlefield 3 didn't need Single Player at all.

Can't we just have Single Player Games and Multiplayer Games and everything in between like the Good ol' Days?

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I really do hate tacked on Multiplayer.

It doesn't feel right. Like God of War Accension (really don't feel like there should BE another God of War game after 3 anyway.) God of War should stay Single Player Focused and not Multiplayer.

But same goes for Multiplayer games like Battlefield.

Battlefield 3 didn't need Single Player at all.

Can't we just have Single Player Games and Multiplayer Games and everything in between like the Good ol' Days?

LegatoSkyheart

Single Player Games = Examples: Castlevania, The Legend of Zelda, Megaman, Metal Gear, Ninja Gaiden, etc...

Multiplayer Games = Examples: Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc...

everything in between (aka Co-Op) = Examples: Mario, Metal Slug, Monster Hunter, Contra, etc....

But you see, Co-Op can still be played Single Player. That's not what I'm raging about, Co-Op by all means is good for Multiplayer great even. It's the Games that Tack on Team Death Match just because they fear once someone is done with their game they'll go trade it in cause there's no Replay Value.

If they know their game has no replay value in it then why even bother making the game?

Because they think it will make them money. I hate it when they do that for games like Dead Space, BioShock and stuff like that but we'll have to live with it. I'd much rather not have multi-player at all than a crappy multi-player. Spending time on making crappy multi-player = less time spent on making the actual game better.Litchie

Because they think it will make them money. I hate it when they do that for games like Dead Space, BioShock and stuff like that but we'll have to live with it. I'd much rather not have multi-player at all than a crappy multi-player. Spending time on making crappy multi-player = less time spent on making the actual game better.Litchie

Well there are plenty of games like God of War that have very little replayability but are still great games. :| When something's really good (like Journey :3) I don't care if it has replay value or not!parkurtommo

I'm not trying to say Games that have little replayablility shouldn't be made, I'm just saying if the developers feel "Threatened" about this that they think Adding Multiplayer is going to solve everything is just stupid.

It wastes money that could be spent on making a more well thought a polished game instead of Servers that are probably not going to hit their mark.

Mass Effect certainly didn't need Multiplayer, No matter How "Good" it is. Especially since you're forced to play it to get a secret ending or what not.

How can you hate on this? Did BF3 suffer because of the SP campaign? If anything it suffered under Dice's ambitions with trying to include as much variety in their maps/modes as possible (close quarter/vehicle-based/mixed). I didn't honestly like it, neither did I enjoy the co-op very much, but why should they not continue and learn from their mistakes/overall jsut get better? Why should they limit themselves and the produc they're making due to weird nostalgic feelings?

Also - you haven't even tried GOW:A (I agree there shouldn't be another one though), so how can you say the new MP mode for GOW:A doesn't belong there? What if the SP is just as good as always, there'll still be challenge mode + a new MP mode? - can you seriously argue that it's not worth the developers time?danish-death

There's other things that's wrong with Battlefield 3, I'm just saying Singleplayer for Battlefield 3 really was unneeded since it's been a well established Multiplayer Title.

and You agree with me with the Multiplayer for Accension, So you should know my stance, It isn't that "It's Bad" cause How should I know if it's Bad or Not? I don't have the game. I'm just saying It doesn't belong in God of War.

They do it because they think they make more money that way. Both because some gamers have the "if no MP I'll rent it"-menatlity (they should naturally be shot). And also to make those who did bought the game to keep it a bit longer to prevent second hand sales. Third I think MP lends itself a lot better to sell DLC. Both in the form of map packs and tiny ones like skins, weapons, XP etc. That's the reasons I can come up with anyway. But I'm not really sure if they are true. The risk is lower review scores because of an unpolished overall game (which is prob more harmful to a new IP like Spec-Ops) etc.Sushiglutton

The Rent it Mentality comes from people who don't have a lot of money to spend on Games and They don't want to shell out $60 on a game that might be only 6 hours long and (you guessed it) no replayability.

The Game is probably really good. But it's probably not $60 good.

The "I'll Rent it" Mentality can also go to the "I'll wait for it to be in the Bargin Bin" Mentality.

Totally agreed. Multiplayer is such a waste of resource in some games. However, they are totally acceptable in some games such as Battlefield and COD, and games where the single player really shined should stick with their roots. Adding multiplayer to them will do harm.

Standards nowadays is... at the bottom of the seabed. This is why I don't buy much games.

I think what happened is that the buisness "matured" as alot of people say, or in my mind got run off the tracks. THe last decade more and more of the people in the industry calling the shots, have nothing to do with gaming at all, suits, who look at checkboxes. Sadly I think this have contributed alot to the lack of new IPs, horibly stagnent genres, and nickly and diming of customers.

I would be interrested in the numbers if someone went to do a rough estimate on how many money got into the industry (from consumers) and how much of that would be ciphered out through shareholders, and people who got jobs in this industry soley for profit (everyone wants peofit, but if you have no intent to create, or pushing the industry farwards, you are in it for all the wrong reasons in my mind). I suspect it would be shocking and telling as to why the industry is so money starved.

As for multiplayer modes... I think it is very stronly linked to the above, people in suits, not knowing nor caring about the games they greenlight, they simply has a checklist, weve heard this so many times by now, in interviews, complaints, and so forth. I find it odd that the games without MP, or SP for that matter, should have the Devs fight tooth and claw, just to get to create the game they were hired to do, while ignoring the knowlage and knowhow they have. We really have heard it alot that alot of the componants such as tacked on mp, was strongly resisted by the devs (and if the Publishers were kind, they would outscource the mp componant, to remove the preassure on the devs).

[QUOTE="Litchie"]Because they think it will make them money. I hate it when they do that for games like Dead Space, BioShock and stuff like that but we'll have to live with it. I'd much rather not have multi-player at all than a crappy multi-player. Spending time on making crappy multi-player = less time spent on making the actual game better.danish-death

Isn't Bioshock Infinite suffering this delay due to the multiplayer? Didn't key staff leave irrational because of it too? (genuine question)

I loved Bioshock 2, but the multiplayer was meh. I wouldve preferred more single player DLC than multiplayer.

95% (yes a random high number) of the people who play the game will either not play it OR quickly play it but abandon it and return to their normal multiplayer game (i.e Call of Duty on consoles).

ShadowDeathX

This is what i ALWAYS do with every single game, always play the story mode..finish it then play 1 or 1 matches online and never go back again.. only go back to Call of Duty as my main multiplayer game

They think multiplayer is all that, so they add it in no matter how crappy it is.

I agree, it should be left out to make a better game.

Because most people are ADD.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

95% (yes a random high number) of the people who play the game will either not play it OR quickly play it but abandon it and return to their normal multiplayer game (i.e Call of Duty on consoles).

finalstar2007

This is what i ALWAYS do with every single game, always play the story mode..finish it then play 1 or 1 matches online and never go back again.. only go back to Call of Duty as my main multiplayer game

Case in point.

I'll be on a rampage if Just Cause 3 has multiplayer...

For the love of God, don't.

Yeah it's something that annoys me too. I wish they would focus on one mode instead of two half assed modes (I'm overexagerating but still)

I also don't get why Battlefield for example needed a singleplayer mode. No one ever asked for that. And the singleplayer in Battlefield 3 was the absolute worst experience I ever had in a Battlefield game... why would anyone include that and not focus on what they do best i.e. the multiplayer. (The singleplayer in the BF BC games was alright)

Because of random idiots who say "no MP = rent". Next thing we'll have multiplayer in games like Silent Hill.

KiZZo1

I'm sure renting is one of the reasons. I think when people have 60 dollars and they can either get an MP + SP game or just and SP game they will go for the first because they think more = better and that isn't always the case. It can even be the other way around.

I'll be on a rampage if Just Cause 3 has multiplayer...

For the love of God, don't.

GamerwillzPS

because they wanna go after CoDs pot of gold, and the funny thing is... they all fail:lol:

Yeah I think publishers should just realize they dont need multiplayer. Just save yourself the development cost and sell the game for like $40. You'll probably sell more anyways.

I'll be on a rampage if Just Cause 3 has multiplayer...

For the love of God, don't.

GamerwillzPS

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I'll be on a rampage if Just Cause 3 has multiplayer...

For the love of God, don't.

mitu123

GTAIV multiplayer was awesome, and RDR even better. I have high hopes for it in GTAV

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I'll be on a rampage if Just Cause 3 has multiplayer...

For the love of God, don't.

RR360DD

GTAIV multiplayer was awesome, and RDR even better. I have high hopes for it in GTAV