WHy do the consoles have the best looking games?

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#51 NFJSupreme
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lay off the bath salts TC.

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#52 lundy86_4
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@SEANMCAD said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@Jag85 said:

@Jankarcop said:

PC has the top 10 (in a row) gfx kings of each and every gen.

Stop trolling/lying.

No, it doesn't.

And I think both you and the OP need to stop trolling/lying.

You both need to name them... For the lulz.

wait I am confused are we talking 'both generations' or are we taking this back to the 8bit era?

Truth is the last generation had better graphics for about a week.

This generation out of the gate they dont.

PC gens are limited to the console gens... So, the release of the first, to the end of the last.

You need to provide evidence.

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#54  Edited By Jag85
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@lundy86_4 said:
@SEANMCAD said:
@lundy86_4 said:
@Jag85 said:
@Jankarcop said:

PC has the top 10 (in a row) gfx kings of each and every gen.

Stop trolling/lying.

No, it doesn't.

And I think both you and the OP need to stop trolling/lying.

You both need to name them... For the lulz.

wait I am confused are we talking 'both generations' or are we taking this back to the 8bit era?

Truth is the last generation had better graphics for about a week.

This generation out of the gate they dont.

PC gens are limited to the console gens... So, the release of the first, to the end of the last.

You need to provide evidence.

There's kind of already a thread on the best-looking games of each era...

SYS-WARS GRAPHICS EVOLUTION TIMELINE *v1.1*

...And it appears the graphics king for each and every year was the Arcade up until around the turn of the millenium.

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#55  Edited By lundy86_4
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@SEANMCAD said:

I am confused.

I mean the last 'gen' of consoles was 8 years ago.

So when we say "every gen" what time frame are we talking about here?

PC gens are stipulated by console gens. They start when the first console releases, and end when the last console finishes. Pretty straightforward. The last PC gen ran fron Nov 2005 until Nov 2012.

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#57 lundy86_4
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@Jag85 said:

There's kind of already a thread on the best-looking games of each era...

SYS-WARS GRAPHICS EVOLUTION TIMELINE *v1.1*

...And it appears the graphics king for each and every year was the Arcade up until around the turn of the millenium.

Great. I'm stipulating gens, and not what is best looking....

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#58  Edited By lundy86_4
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@SEANMCAD said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@SEANMCAD said:

I am confused.

I mean the last 'gen' of consoles was 8 years ago.

So when we say "every gen" what time frame are we talking about here?

PC gens are stipulated by console gens. They start when the first console releases, and end when the last console finishes. Pretty straightforward. The last PC gen ran fron Nov 2005 until Nov 2012.

So when we talking about 'every generation' are we not talking about 2 for the consoles?

As in 2 console generations? Consoles have existed for 7 or so...

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#59  Edited By Jag85
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@SEANMCAD said:

I am confused.

I mean the last 'gen' of consoles was 8 years ago.

So when we say "every gen" what time frame are we talking about here?

For the sake of convenience...

1st Gen - 1972-1975

2nd Gen - 1976-1982

3rd Gen - 1983-1986

4th Gen - 1987-1992

5th Gen - 1993-1997

6th Gen - 1998-2004

7th Gen - 2005-2011

8th Gen - 2012-Present

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#61  Edited By megaspiderweb09
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@clyde46: The multiplayer isnt

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#62 lundy86_4
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@SEANMCAD said:

so that was my question.

Are we talking about 2 generations or do we want to take this back to the 8bit era

why is there confusion in what I asked?

There is confusion, because your English is terrible. Jankar said every gen. That's self explanatory, FFS.

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#64 Jag85
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@lundy86_4 said:

@Jag85 said:

There's kind of already a thread on the best-looking games of each era...

SYS-WARS GRAPHICS EVOLUTION TIMELINE *v1.1*

...And it appears the graphics king for each and every year was the Arcade up until around the turn of the millenium.

Great. I'm stipulating gens, and not what is best looking....

Okay, now I'm a bit confused too?

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ok TC i can safely say your sig is fake

"Corei7 3700k 4.5Ghz,16Gb,7990+7970,Dell U3014 30""

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#66  Edited By Jag85
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@SEANMCAD said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@SEANMCAD said:

so that was my question.

Are we talking about 2 generations or do we want to take this back to the 8bit era

why is there confusion in what I asked?

There is confusion, because your English is terrible. Jankar said every gen. That's self explanatory, FFS.

So you guys really want to have a conversion about pre-xbox 360? have fun with that one!

Ironically my first PC was a commodore which in fact had better graphics then any home device on the market

Does the Commodore (whether you mean the C64 or Amiga) even count as a PC? The term "PC" nowadays refers almost exclusively to the IBM-compatible PC (hence the whole PC vs. Mac rivalry). Or should we just use "PC" in a more generic sense to refer to all personal computers?

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#70  Edited By Jag85
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@SEANMCAD said:

@Jag85 said:

@SEANMCAD said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@SEANMCAD said:

so that was my question.

Are we talking about 2 generations or do we want to take this back to the 8bit era

why is there confusion in what I asked?

There is confusion, because your English is terrible. Jankar said every gen. That's self explanatory, FFS.

So you guys really want to have a conversion about pre-xbox 360? have fun with that one!

Ironically my first PC was a commodore which in fact had better graphics then any home device on the market

Does the Commodore (whether you mean the C64 or Amiga) even count as a PC? The term "PC" nowadays refers almost exclusively to the IBM-compatible PC (hence the whole PC vs. Mac rivalry). Or should we just use "PC" in a more generic sense to refer to all personal computers?

yes..

that aside sounds like someone is wanting to frame the debate more than what was originally stated dont you think?

but regardless, having a conversation about 'every generation' compared with PC is actually kind of funny...2005? are you serious?

Well, Jankar did claim it for "each and every gen"... but then, that's just typical Jankar trolling, so I wouldn't take him too seriously.

If we're talking just the last 2 gens though (i.e. the current and the previous), then I don't think there's any doubt that the PC dominates.

However, even if we did go all the way back to the beginning, it's not as difficult as you think, since we've already had a thread here on the best graphics of the last 30 years.

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Because Pirate.

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#73 Jag85
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@SEANMCAD said:

@lundy86_4 said:

SEANMCAD is dumb as ****... Jankar stipulated every gen, you fuckwit.

wait did you speel check that?

@Jag85 said:

@SEANMCAD said:

I am confused.

I mean the last 'gen' of consoles was 8 years ago.

So when we say "every gen" what time frame are we talking about here?

For the sake of convenience...

1st Gen - 1972-1975

2nd Gen - 1976-1982

3rd Gen - 1983-1986

4th Gen - 1987-1992

5th Gen - 1993-1997

6th Gen - 1998-2004

7th Gen - 2005-2011

8th Gen - 2012-Present

right so I just wanted to be clear I understood the conversation.

Because really to have a conversation worth having I am not sure it makes much sense to start having a debate about Commodore vs 'whatever console was out then'.

If you want to talk about more or less the modern time frame then it looks like we are only talking about 2-3 cycles.

But I guess that is the conversation you guys want and well..not intrested.

Someone please spell check me I am about to go to bed. its been pretty funny though

Well, if retro gaming doesn't interest you much, then there's not much we can do about it.

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#75  Edited By Jankarcop
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@Jag85 said:

@Jankarcop said:

PC has the top 10 (in a row) gfx kings of each and every gen.

Stop trolling/lying.

No, it doesn't.

And I think both you and the OP need to stop trolling/lying.

GFX KINGS list last GEN

1. Crysis 3 - PC Ultra

2. Metro Last Light - PC Ultra

3. BF 4 - PC Ultra

4. Crysis 2 - PC Ultra

5. Crysis 1 - PC Ultra

6. Metro 1 - PC Ultra

7. Batman1 - PC Ultra

8. Batman2 - PC Ultra

9. Skryim - PC with Mods

10. FarCry 3/ AC4/ TombRaider - PC Ultra

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Those above this line all look better than any console title last gen (Ps3/Wii/X360)

11. The Last of Us / Uncharted 3 - Console

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@Jankarcop said:

@Jag85 said:

@Jankarcop said:

PC has the top 10 (in a row) gfx kings of each and every gen.

Stop trolling/lying.

No, it doesn't.

And I think both you and the OP need to stop trolling/lying.

GFX KINGS list last GEN

1. Crysis 3 - PC Ultra

2. Metro Last Light - PC Ultra

3. BF 4 - PC Ultra

4. Crysis 2 - PC Ultra

5. Crysis 1 - PC Ultra

6. Metro 1 - PC Ultra

7. Batman1 - PC Ultra

8. Batman2 - PC Ultra

9. Skryim - PC with Mods

10. FarCry 3/ AC4/ TombRaider - PC Ultra

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Those above this line all look better than any console title.

11. The Last of Us / Uncharted 3 - Console

so it has top 10 for one gen?

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#77 Jankarcop
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Yes, PC has the 10 best looking games last gen.

Console did not even make the list.

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#78 lostrib
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@Jankarcop said:

Yes, PC has the 10 best looking games last gen.

Console did not even make the list.

what happened to:

"each and every gen."

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#79  Edited By Jankarcop
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You want me to make 4 more lists for something we all know?

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#80  Edited By Jag85
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@Jankarcop said:

You want me to make 4 more lists for something we all know?

Do you retract your "each and every gen" claim?

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#81 lostrib
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@Jankarcop said:

You want me to make 4 more lists for something we all know?

you made the claim, you back it up

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#82 kalipekona
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@Alienware_fan said:

Even though they are way weaker than any recent high end pcs? Dosent it make pcs waste of resources? Multiplats barely looks better on pc. I coudnt see any difference in rivals 1600p vs 1080p on ps4.

They don't.

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#83 kalipekona
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@Jag85 said:

@Jankarcop said:

You want me to make 4 more lists for something we all know?

Do you retract your "each and every gen" claim?

Just curious, which gen do you think consoles had better graphics than the PC?

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#84 MonsieurX
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Better question: why do you keep making stupid threads?

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#85 Lulu_Lulu
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@Alienware_fan: FINE !

It Depends on the PC and Developers.

Honestly it doesn't bother me, Graphics aren't really my thing. which is why I haven't gone next gen yet.

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#86 Jag85
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@kalipekona said:

@Jag85 said:

@Jankarcop said:

You want me to make 4 more lists for something we all know?

Do you retract your "each and every gen" claim?

Just curious, which gen do you think consoles had better graphics than the PC?

I wasn't referring to consoles, but to the arcades...

@Jag85 said:

There's kind of already a thread on the best-looking games of each era...

SYS-WARS GRAPHICS EVOLUTION TIMELINE *v1.1*

...And it appears the graphics king for each and every year was the Arcade up until around the turn of the millenium.

But in terms of the Consoles vs. PC rivalry, that depends on how you define "PC". Do you mean what we today call the "PC", i.e. the x86-based, IBM-compatible PC? Or do you mean all personal computers in general, including Apple, Commodore, Sharp, MSX, etc.?

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Many console games have huge budgets and they can afford to have a technician work solely on just textures or lighting etc. Even if the hardware is not high end it's still better than the average handing pc. Then take in the fact that they are closed systems and you get great results ps4 that is. Even though pc will always have the edge you will be hard pressed imo to find better looking games than the order,deep down,final fantasy 15, halo 5, and uncharted in 2014.

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#88 GotNugz
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@kalipekona: pretty sure ps2 was ahead, as was the N64, as was the PS1. Also X360 was very comparable to any high end pc in 2005, and gears of war was considered the best looking game on any platform in 2006.

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#89  Edited By kalipekona
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@GotNugz said:

Many console games have huge budgets and they can afford to have a technician work solely on just textures or lighting etc. Even if the hardware is not high end it's still better than the average handing pc. Then take in the fact that they are closed systems and you get great results ps4 that is. Even though pc will always have the edge you will be hard pressed imo to find better looking games than the order,deep down,final fantasy 15, halo 5, and uncharted in 2014.

I don't know.. people always think this, but in my experience it never turns out to be the case. Last generation Halo 4, Uncharted 2, God of War Ascension, Gears of War Judgement, etc, were nice looking games, but there were still quite a few games on PC that looked better just in terms of core visuals. And lots of games look better simply due to higher fidelity, i.e. texture filtering, anti-aliasing, solidity of frame-rate, and resolution.

Personally, as far as getting visual enjoyment out of a game I place a high premium on fidelity. I would take a game that has somewhat fewer graphical bells and whistles as another game if it has twice the clarity and cleanliness of image quality, sharper textures, and a smoother more responsive frame-rate.

In any case, even if you take away all the graphical elements that have to do with fidelity, there are lots of games on PC that look better than anything I have seen on consoles.

Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, Crysis 3, Metro 2033, Metro Last Light, Tomb Raider, The Witcher 2, Outlast, Alan Wake, Medal of Honor, Bioshock Infinite, AC3, Battlefield 3, Splinter Cell Blacklist and Far Cry 3 are all examples of games I own on PC that I think look better than any PS3/360 game.

I have little doubt it will be the same situation this generation as well.

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#90 sukraj
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xbox on xbox off

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#91  Edited By BlbecekBobecek
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@clyde46 said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

Alot of it comes down to the budget. 1st party games like Uncharted have a ton of capital thrown into them.

Most serious pc titles today have to survive off Kick starter to release even a working demo.

Implying crowd funding is a bad thing.

Its not, but it cant fund you enough to make a game with Uncharted or The Last of Us level of production values.

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#92  Edited By deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
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You got to be kidding me if you think console games look better.

Have you seen that new indie game called FOREST. That thing looks insane in terms of graphics plus it’s from indie developer.

Cryengine 3 on PC with HIGHEST SETTINGS will blow console games out of the water.

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#93  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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Multiplats on PC look better than any console exclusive /thread

And Star Citizen will be next PC´s Crysis. No console will be able to handle it.

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#94 sukraj
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@acp_45 said:

You got to be kidding me if you think console games look better.

Have you seen that new indie game called FOREST. That thing looks insane in terms of graphics plus it’s from indie developer.

Cryengine 3 on PC with HIGHEST SETTINGS will blow console games out of the water.

in ur dreams dude!

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#95  Edited By deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
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@sukraj: DUDE.

Do you even know what you are saying ?

Go youtube it.

Watch it on 1080p.

Or are you to scared to see the truth ?

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#96  Edited By Jag85
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@kalipekona said:

@Jag85 said:

@Jankarcop said:

You want me to make 4 more lists for something we all know?

Do you retract your "each and every gen" claim?

Just curious, which gen do you think consoles had better graphics than the PC?

Okay, if we assume that we're talking about what we today call the PC, i.e. IBM-compatible PC (in other words, excluding other competing home computer platforms)...

Generations 1-4 (2D era)

  • 1972-1992 - Consoles ahead (assuming other non-PC home computers aren't included)

Generation 5 (32/64-bit era)

  • 1993-1996 - Consoles ahead (3DO, then PlayStation, and then N64)
  • 1997 - PC ahead (3D accelerators surpass N64)

Generation 6 (128-bit era)

  • 1998-2001 - Consoles ahead (Dreamcast, then PS2, and then Xbox/GameCube)
  • 2002-2004 - PC ahead (ATI Radeon 9700 surpasses Xbox/GameCube)

Generation 7

  • 2005-2006 - Consoles ahead (PS360 surpass PC)
  • 2007-2011 - PC ahead (Crysis surpasses PS360)

Generation 8

  • 2012-2014 - PC ahead (consoles fail to surpass PC)

Feel free to make any corrections though.

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#97  Edited By XboxDone74
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console have better games because they are gaming machines first and foremost...well...xbone is debatable. developers have set in concrete, the requirements needed for running their games on a console. pcs are all over the place, and devs have to take into consideration the least common dominator for getting their game to run half way decent. this is why usee very few, big budget, graphically tang exclusive games. on pc. mmos, rts, and flash indies rule the pc platform.

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#98  Edited By miiiiv
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@Jag85 said:

Generations 1-4 (2D era)

  • 1972-1992 - Consoles ahead (assuming other non-PC home computers aren't included)

Generation 5 (32/64-bit era)

  • 1993-1996 - Consoles ahead (3DO, then PlayStation, and then N64)
  • 1997 - PC ahead (3D accelerators surpass N64)

Generation 6 (128-bit era)

  • 1998-2001 - Consoles ahead (Dreamcast, then PS2, and then Xbox/GameCube)
  • 2002-2004 - PC ahead (ATI Radeon 9700 surpasses Xbox/GameCube)

Generation 7

  • 2005-2006 - Consoles ahead (PS360 surpass PC)
  • 2007-2011 - PC ahead (Crysis surpasses PS360)

Generation 8

  • 2012-2014 - PC ahead (consoles fail to surpass PC)

Feel free to make any corrections though.

The geforce 4 ti4600 (early 2002) coupled with a pentium 4 was definitely ahead of xbox and later that year came the radeon 9700pro. I'm not sure however how the dreamcast holds up to a 1998 pc.

The 360 was pretty cutting edge for it's time, having a gpu with unified shaders before pc's. But from a pure performace standpoint I think that a dual core athlon 64 and dual gpu pc from 2005 has more power. Hypothetically I think such a pc could pretty much replicate everything the ps3/360 does, if developers put their effort to it. Only that the developers later moved away from the directx9 API that all pc's from 2005 uses, while they still made console ports (often scaled or dumbed down) of their games.
And in 2006 came the 8800gtx and coupled with a core2duo it really outperforms ps3/360, even in recent games.

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#99  Edited By Jag85
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@miiiiv said:

@Jag85 said:

Generations 1-4 (2D era)

  • 1972-1992 - Consoles ahead (assuming other non-PC home computers aren't included)

Generation 5 (32/64-bit era)

  • 1993-1996 - Consoles ahead (3DO, then PlayStation, and then N64)
  • 1997 - PC ahead (3D accelerators surpass N64)

Generation 6 (128-bit era)

  • 1998-2001 - Consoles ahead (Dreamcast, then PS2, and then Xbox/GameCube)
  • 2002-2004 - PC ahead (ATI Radeon 9700 surpasses Xbox/GameCube)

Generation 7

  • 2005-2006 - Consoles ahead (PS360 surpass PC)
  • 2007-2011 - PC ahead (Crysis surpasses PS360)

Generation 8

  • 2012-2014 - PC ahead (consoles fail to surpass PC)

Feel free to make any corrections though.

The geforce 4 ti4600 (early 2002) coupled with a pentium 4 was definitely ahead of xbox and later that year came the radeon 9700pro. I'm not sure however how the dreamcast holds up to a 1998 pc.

The 360 was pretty cutting edge for it's time, having a gpu with unified shaders before pc's. But from a pure performace standpoint I think that a dual core athlon 64 and dual gpu pc from 2005 has more power. Hypothetically I think such a pc could pretty much replicate everything the ps3/360 does, if developers put their effort to it. Only that the developers later moved away from the directx9 API that all pc's from 2005 uses, while they still made console ports (often scaled or dumbed down) of their games.

And in 2006 came the 8800gtx and coupled with a core2duo it really outperforms ps3/360, even in recent games.

The Dreamcast was very powerful for 1998, using the same hardware as the Sega Naomi arcade system (though with half the RAM), which was more expensive than even a high-end PC back then. Sega wasn't losing so much money on the Dreamcast for no reason. And even a year later, Shenmue was hailed as the graphics king of 1999.

For 2005, I believe the 360 takes it in terms of graphics, though maybe not in terms of raw power. For 2006 though, I was having a hard time deciding, but gave the edge to consoles because the 360 had Gears of War, which I thought looked very impressive in 2006 (though the PC got a better-looking version a year later).

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#100  Edited By the_bi99man
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@Alienware_fan said:

Resolution is the biggest gimmic of them all, res such as 720p is perfectly fine as long as the graphics are good.

Oh look, alienware fan doesn't know what he's talking about. That's new.

Next are you gonna claim that because CGI movies look better than video games, even when they're only 720p, that means video games could catch up to that point without going beyond 720p res?