Why do Xbox and 360 owners only care for Halo/GeoW?

[QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

mijkil

FACTS:

This IS a bash.

You ARE a fanboy.

Gotta say, I don't get "bash" from this topic (at least the original one)

Its clearly a a bash, but one that tries to be reasonably subtle.

The subtext is clear: 360 is somehow less hardcore or less worthy than the mighty playstation brand, only he cant back it up with reference to his beloved ps3, and instead compares a fledgling console with a 10 mill userbase to a console with 150 mill sold.

Dead Rising, one of the most hardcore games of all time sold over a million on 360. Thats impresive, end of story.

Ive never seen anything other than ps3 fanboyism from this child

Hmm, i suppose (I haven't seen much from this user), although it is certainly an unfounded bash, all console companies have titles like that

Microsoft: Halo, GeOW

Sony: Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid

Nintendo: Mario, Zelda, Metroid

Halo3 is a great trilogy.KillaHalo2o9

[QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

Dragonblade01

FACTS:

This IS a bash.

You ARE a fanboy.

Gotta say, I don't get "bash" from this topic (at least the original one)

Its clearly a a bash, but one that tries to be reasonably subtle.

The subtext is clear: 360 is somehow less hardcore or less worthy than the mighty playstation brand, only he cant back it up with reference to his beloved ps3, and instead compares a fledgling console with a 10 mill userbase to a console with 150 mill sold.

Dead Rising, one of the most hardcore games of all time sold over a million on 360. Thats impresive, end of story.

Ive never seen anything other than ps3 fanboyism from this child

Hmm, i suppose (I haven't seen much from this user), although it is certainly an unfounded bash, all console companies have titles like that

Microsoft: Halo, GeOW

Sony: Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid

Nintendo: Mario, Zelda, Metroid

Yea but on PS2 all the "big" titles sold closely with each other, despite being completely different genres.

For the Xbox, it's basicaly you either sell one million and die off or you are Halo.

[QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

Koalakommander

FACTS:

This IS a bash.

You ARE a fanboy.

Gotta say, I don't get "bash" from this topic (at least the original one)

Its clearly a a bash, but one that tries to be reasonably subtle.

The subtext is clear: 360 is somehow less hardcore or less worthy than the mighty playstation brand, only he cant back it up with reference to his beloved ps3, and instead compares a fledgling console with a 10 mill userbase to a console with 150 mill sold.

Dead Rising, one of the most hardcore games of all time sold over a million on 360. Thats impresive, end of story.

Ive never seen anything other than ps3 fanboyism from this child

Insecure much?

see it as what you want, you don't matter.

Insecure? nah..... Its just that fanboys make me feel ashamed for the human race.

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

Koalakommander

actually my most anticipated 360 game is The Orange Box

[QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

Koalakommander

FACTS:

This IS a bash.

You ARE a fanboy.

Gotta say, I don't get "bash" from this topic (at least the original one)

Its clearly a a bash, but one that tries to be reasonably subtle.

The subtext is clear: 360 is somehow less hardcore or less worthy than the mighty playstation brand, only he cant back it up with reference to his beloved ps3, and instead compares a fledgling console with a 10 mill userbase to a console with 150 mill sold.

Dead Rising, one of the most hardcore games of all time sold over a million on 360. Thats impresive, end of story.

Ive never seen anything other than ps3 fanboyism from this child

Hmm, i suppose (I haven't seen much from this user), although it is certainly an unfounded bash, all console companies have titles like that

Microsoft: Halo, GeOW

Sony: Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid

Nintendo: Mario, Zelda, Metroid

Yea but on PS2 all the "big" titles sold closely with each other, despite being completely different genres.

For the Xbox, it's basicaly you either sell one million and die off or you are Halo.

Well, that is Microsoft's and the fans' fault, the first game caused it to increase popularity rapidly (the phrase "right place at the right time" works here), then, in order to increase sales, Microsoft substantially increased the advertisement and promotion for the Halo series

So it isn't that the other games aren't good enought; it's just that the hype for Halo is so immense that the other games can't compete

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

Kurrupt07

actually my most anticipated 360 game is The Orange Box

This is the way it'll be until more people switch over to the Xbox 360 and realize it has way more to offer then the original Xbox. It'll change as the user base grows, is my point. Right now the 360 is in a much better position game wise then the Xbox was.

Forza 2 is a great game, but GT4 didn't do so hot in NA either, I think it might be a trend. But 1 million for Forza 2 so far isn't bad at all, that's 1 in 10 people who own a 360 play it.

I'm amazed Oblivion sold so much with only an 11 Million install base. I think BioShock will sell about 2-3 million copies on the 360. It's at about 750,000 in NA, 4th week.

Lost Odyssey will sell atleast 1 million copies world wide, I predict 100,000-300,000 copies in Japan alone. I'll be optimistic and say 750,000 in NA. Americans don't go for the Blue Dragon type RPGs with cookie cutter characters, LO is a more mature game with an interesting story.

Mass Effect will sell 2-3 million, mostly in NA and Europe, with Japan ignoring it completely.

So it's not so much that the games don't sell, the ratios aren't bad at all. Compared to the PS2s userbase vs game sales, it's about the same when it comes to average games.

[QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="GGNoRematch"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

Koalakommander

Forza 1 sold over 1 million copies

Forza 2 just recently sold over 1 million copies.. expect that total to rise to 1.5-2.0 million copies sold

Dead Rising,Oblivion,Guitar Hero 3,Saints Row have all sold a Million+..

/thread

And Halo 3 will sell 10 million+. How is that /thread?

Forza is barely passed one million with a 25 mil userbase, what makes you think Forza 2 will sky rocket to 2 mil with a 10 million userbase?

Maybe I'm not reading carefully enough, but this seems to be veering off-topic fast

yeah, i guess my argument is destroyed because Dead Rising (casual game) sold 2 mil. oh no.

did you just call dead rising a casual game? wtf?

this thread is officially over.. This guy is obviously a fanboy

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="GGNoRematch"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

GGNoRematch

Forza 1 sold over 1 million copies

Forza 2 just recently sold over 1 million copies.. expect that total to rise to 1.5-2.0 million copies sold

Dead Rising,Oblivion,Guitar Hero 3,Saints Row have all sold a Million+..

/thread

And Halo 3 will sell 10 million+. How is that /thread?

Forza is barely passed one million with a 25 mil userbase, what makes you think Forza 2 will sky rocket to 2 mil with a 10 million userbase?

Maybe I'm not reading carefully enough, but this seems to be veering off-topic fast

yeah, i guess my argument is destroyed because Dead Rising (casual game) sold 2 mil. oh no.

did you just call dead rising a casual game? wtf?

this thread is officially over.. This guy is obviously a fanboy

cuz i say such trollish things right?

"If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1."

Calling a game casual is not an insult, why are you taking it as such. Casual simply means that you don't have to be a video game fantatic to enjoy it. Jimmy Joe across the street will probably enjoy Dead Rising, but less likely to enjoy Ninja Gaiden. Yes?

[QUOTE="GGNoRematch"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="GGNoRematch"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

This is not a bash, just a very good question...

If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1.

Now they are obviously a lot more car racing sim fans than a wimpy one mil. Gran Turismo games sold 22+ million copies on the PS2, and Forza is arguably the better game. Yet sales show that despite this, Xbox owners just gobbled up their Halo. More than 1/3 Xbox owners have a copy of Halo.

So now here we are in next gen. And great games in other genres continue to be released for the 360. This time the userbase is only around 10 million opposed to the Xbox's 25 mil, and still -- other great games pale in comparison to the sales of games like GeOW.

The only thing that suprised me was the sales of Elder Scrolls (3 million).

People on gaming forums such as these who own 360s probably own a variet of genres, beacuse they probably love video games in general to be on a gaming forum. But it seems like your brethren in the real world don't think like you do - and tend to only buy games like Madden, GTA, GeOW, and Halo.

So lemmings, how can you say so confidently that games like Ninja Gaiden 2 and Mass Effect will doom the PS3 in 2008, when it can be clearly seen from MS platform history that the games simply don't appeal to Xbox owners. There is nothing wrong with the games, they are amazing -- but the consumers of MS consoles are pretty weird if you ask me.

Why do 360 owners overlook other great genres? Since no one here is really a "casual" 360 owner, I want to hear everyone's theories on this.

Koalakommander

Forza 1 sold over 1 million copies

Forza 2 just recently sold over 1 million copies.. expect that total to rise to 1.5-2.0 million copies sold

Dead Rising,Oblivion,Guitar Hero 3,Saints Row have all sold a Million+..

/thread

And Halo 3 will sell 10 million+. How is that /thread?

Forza is barely passed one million with a 25 mil userbase, what makes you think Forza 2 will sky rocket to 2 mil with a 10 million userbase?

Maybe I'm not reading carefully enough, but this seems to be veering off-topic fast

yeah, i guess my argument is destroyed because Dead Rising (casual game) sold 2 mil. oh no.

did you just call dead rising a casual game? wtf?

this thread is officially over.. This guy is obviously a fanboy

cuz i say such trollish things right?

"If you haven't noticed, the Xbox and Xbox360 are not shooter consoles like some people speculate. Infact they hold some of the greatest games in other genres. Ninja Gaiden, Forza, DOA, Splinter Cell, Fable, and KOTOR. Such great variety, yet, Halo outsells each one of those games 10:1."

Calling a game casual is not an insult, why are you taking it as such. Casual simply means that you don't have to be a video game fantatic to enjoy it. Jimmy Joe across the street will probably enjoy Dead Rising, but less likely to enjoy Ninja Gaiden. Yes?

True, games that have that "pick up and play" factor could be called casual games I suppose (not to mention stress relieving, lol, I always play a few rounds of metal slug whenever I feel stressed)

This is the way it'll be until more people switch over to the Xbox 360 and realize it has way more to offer then the original Xbox. It'll change as the user base grows, is my point. Right now the 360 is in a much better position game wise then the Xbox was.

Forza 2 is a great game, but GT4 didn't do so hot in NA either, I think it might be a trend. But 1 million for Forza 2 so far isn't bad at all, that's 1 in 10 people who own a 360 play it.

I'm amazed Oblivion sold so much with only an 11 Million install base. I think BioShock will sell about 2-3 million copies on the 360. It's at about 750,000 in NA, 4th week.

Lost Odyssey will sell atleast 1 million copies world wide, I predict 100,000-300,000 copies in Japan alone. I'll be optimistic and say 750,000 in NA. Americans don't go for the Blue Dragon type RPGs with cookie cutter characters, LO is a more mature game with an interesting story.

Mass Effect will sell 2-3 million, mostly in NA and Europe, with Japan ignoring it completely.

So it's not so much that the games don't sell, the ratios aren't bad at all. Compared to the PS2s userbase vs game sales, it's about the same when it comes to average games.

BreakingPoint8

But those titles don't make the 360, it's the new variety added to the Xbox library of games, and the multiplatform titles that were not available last generation. Resident Evil, JRPGs, RTS games, GTA released at the same time, Square Enix support as well as full Japanese developer support compared to almost 0 on the Xbox.

360 owners are not used to having a good selection of games because the game selection for the original xbox was crap and a total disappointment and completely embarrassed by the selection on the PS2.

And right now, all they need to do is mention Gears or Halo 3 because the PS3 has had absolutely nothing memorable so far. To proclaim ownage, all they have to do is mention 1 game. Resistance and Warhawk are good, but honestly, they are a step below Gears and Bioshock.

first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
ninjaxams

I really don't agree with your notion that anyone who doesn't have the same oppinion as yours lacks common sense

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

This is the way it'll be until more people switch over to the Xbox 360 and realize it has way more to offer then the original Xbox. It'll change as the user base grows, is my point. Right now the 360 is in a much better position game wise then the Xbox was.

Forza 2 is a great game, but GT4 didn't do so hot in NA either, I think it might be a trend. But 1 million for Forza 2 so far isn't bad at all, that's 1 in 10 people who own a 360 play it.

I'm amazed Oblivion sold so much with only an 11 Million install base. I think BioShock will sell about 2-3 million copies on the 360. It's at about 750,000 in NA, 4th week.

Lost Odyssey will sell atleast 1 million copies world wide, I predict 100,000-300,000 copies in Japan alone. I'll be optimistic and say 750,000 in NA. Americans don't go for the Blue Dragon type RPGs with cookie cutter characters, LO is a more mature game with an interesting story.

Mass Effect will sell 2-3 million, mostly in NA and Europe, with Japan ignoring it completely.

So it's not so much that the games don't sell, the ratios aren't bad at all. Compared to the PS2s userbase vs game sales, it's about the same when it comes to average games.

BreakingPoint8

But those titles don't make the 360, it's the new variety added to the Xbox library of games, and the multiplatform titles that were not available last generation. Resident Evil, JRPGs, RTS games, GTA released at the same time, Square Enix support as well as full Japanese developer support compared to almost 0 on the Xbox.

A couple of things.

1) To say that halo outsells other 360 games is a proof that lemmings overlook other genres, is just plain dumb. halo outsells everything not named pokemon.

2) The 360 has a number of million + sellers. Lost planet, dead rising, elder scrolls and such. just because those games are no halo in terms of sales, doesnt mean they are being overlooked.

3) Ninja Gaiden is a hardcore game of course its not going to sell like hot cakes. Mass effect might sell a million or two.

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

This is the way it'll be until more people switch over to the Xbox 360 and realize it has way more to offer then the original Xbox. It'll change as the user base grows, is my point. Right now the 360 is in a much better position game wise then the Xbox was.

Forza 2 is a great game, but GT4 didn't do so hot in NA either, I think it might be a trend. But 1 million for Forza 2 so far isn't bad at all, that's 1 in 10 people who own a 360 play it.

I'm amazed Oblivion sold so much with only an 11 Million install base. I think BioShock will sell about 2-3 million copies on the 360. It's at about 750,000 in NA, 4th week.

Lost Odyssey will sell atleast 1 million copies world wide, I predict 100,000-300,000 copies in Japan alone. I'll be optimistic and say 750,000 in NA. Americans don't go for the Blue Dragon type RPGs with cookie cutter characters, LO is a more mature game with an interesting story.

Mass Effect will sell 2-3 million, mostly in NA and Europe, with Japan ignoring it completely.

So it's not so much that the games don't sell, the ratios aren't bad at all. Compared to the PS2s userbase vs game sales, it's about the same when it comes to average games.

BreakingPoint8

But those titles don't make the 360, it's the new variety added to the Xbox library of games, and the multiplatform titles that were not available last generation. Resident Evil, JRPGs, RTS games, GTA released at the same time, Square Enix support as well as full Japanese developer support compared to almost 0 on the Xbox.

wow, I have never seen somebody reply to themselves twice, lol

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

This is the way it'll be until more people switch over to the Xbox 360 and realize it has way more to offer then the original Xbox. It'll change as the user base grows, is my point. Right now the 360 is in a much better position game wise then the Xbox was.

Forza 2 is a great game, but GT4 didn't do so hot in NA either, I think it might be a trend. But 1 million for Forza 2 so far isn't bad at all, that's 1 in 10 people who own a 360 play it.

I'm amazed Oblivion sold so much with only an 11 Million install base. I think BioShock will sell about 2-3 million copies on the 360. It's at about 750,000 in NA, 4th week.

Lost Odyssey will sell atleast 1 million copies world wide, I predict 100,000-300,000 copies in Japan alone. I'll be optimistic and say 750,000 in NA. Americans don't go for the Blue Dragon type RPGs with cookie cutter characters, LO is a more mature game with an interesting story.

Mass Effect will sell 2-3 million, mostly in NA and Europe, with Japan ignoring it completely.

So it's not so much that the games don't sell, the ratios aren't bad at all. Compared to the PS2s userbase vs game sales, it's about the same when it comes to average games.

Dragonblade01

But those titles don't make the 360, it's the new variety added to the Xbox library of games, and the multiplatform titles that were not available last generation. Resident Evil, JRPGs, RTS games, GTA released at the same time, Square Enix support as well as full Japanese developer support compared to almost 0 on the Xbox.

wow, I have never seen somebody reply to themselves twice, lol

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

This is the way it'll be until more people switch over to the Xbox 360 and realize it has way more to offer then the original Xbox. It'll change as the user base grows, is my point. Right now the 360 is in a much better position game wise then the Xbox was.

Forza 2 is a great game, but GT4 didn't do so hot in NA either, I think it might be a trend. But 1 million for Forza 2 so far isn't bad at all, that's 1 in 10 people who own a 360 play it.

I'm amazed Oblivion sold so much with only an 11 Million install base. I think BioShock will sell about 2-3 million copies on the 360. It's at about 750,000 in NA, 4th week.

Lost Odyssey will sell atleast 1 million copies world wide, I predict 100,000-300,000 copies in Japan alone. I'll be optimistic and say 750,000 in NA. Americans don't go for the Blue Dragon type RPGs with cookie cutter characters, LO is a more mature game with an interesting story.

Mass Effect will sell 2-3 million, mostly in NA and Europe, with Japan ignoring it completely.

So it's not so much that the games don't sell, the ratios aren't bad at all. Compared to the PS2s userbase vs game sales, it's about the same when it comes to average games.

Dragonblade01

But those titles don't make the 360, it's the new variety added to the Xbox library of games, and the multiplatform titles that were not available last generation. Resident Evil, JRPGs, RTS games, GTA released at the same time, Square Enix support as well as full Japanese developer support compared to almost 0 on the Xbox.

wow, I have never seen somebody reply to themselves twice, lol

Yes I thought that was quite unique too.

Anyways, good points Breakingpoint.

[QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

This is the way it'll be until more people switch over to the Xbox 360 and realize it has way more to offer then the original Xbox. It'll change as the user base grows, is my point. Right now the 360 is in a much better position game wise then the Xbox was.

Forza 2 is a great game, but GT4 didn't do so hot in NA either, I think it might be a trend. But 1 million for Forza 2 so far isn't bad at all, that's 1 in 10 people who own a 360 play it.

I'm amazed Oblivion sold so much with only an 11 Million install base. I think BioShock will sell about 2-3 million copies on the 360. It's at about 750,000 in NA, 4th week.

Lost Odyssey will sell atleast 1 million copies world wide, I predict 100,000-300,000 copies in Japan alone. I'll be optimistic and say 750,000 in NA. Americans don't go for the Blue Dragon type RPGs with cookie cutter characters, LO is a more mature game with an interesting story.

Mass Effect will sell 2-3 million, mostly in NA and Europe, with Japan ignoring it completely.

So it's not so much that the games don't sell, the ratios aren't bad at all. Compared to the PS2s userbase vs game sales, it's about the same when it comes to average games.

BreakingPoint8

But those titles don't make the 360, it's the new variety added to the Xbox library of games, and the multiplatform titles that were not available last generation. Resident Evil, JRPGs, RTS games, GTA released at the same time, Square Enix support as well as full Japanese developer support compared to almost 0 on the Xbox.

wow, I have never seen somebody reply to themselves twice, lol

Actually, I find it more fun to respond to other people's posts, that way you actually get a conversation going

first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
ninjaxams

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Wow..

You mean the game where you just hold down RT and get kills? :lol:

I love doing that in the COD4 beta especially, people always tell me shut up and that its not true. So I do it and make everyone feeldumb. I respawn and just hold down RT with the M4when Ieventually see someone, just fire off in their direction and kill them.

That game takes no skill, my kill to death ratio is like 4.5. To make the game challenging I use a pistol, and I still end up on the top of the leaderboard all the time.

COD is probably the most noob friendly FPS. Even my brother kills people and he's like the worst FPS player ever. He thinks COD3 and the betais great cause he gets kills.

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
xDonRobx

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Wow..

You mean the game where you just hold down RT and get kills? :lol:

I love doing that in the COD4 beta especially, people always tell me shut up and that its not true. So I do it and make everyone feeldumb. I respawn and just hold down RT with the M4when Ieventually see someone, just fire off in their direction and kill them.

That game takes no skill, my kill to death ratio is like 4.5. To make the game challenging I use a pistol, and I still end up on the top of the leaderboard all the time.

COD is probably the most noob friendly FPS. Even my brother kills people and he's like the worst FPS player ever. He thinks COD3 and the betais great cause he gets kills.

Actually, I prefer COD as well, your method could be applied to other shooters as well (just depends on how lucky you get); I find that no other FPS delivers the sheer intensity that I felt when playing the COD2 campaign (in my oppinion, of course)

the topic creator makes no sense seeing as how the 360 currently holds the largest number of million sellers.

But wait, every game should sell like halo mirite? :roll:

When I'm out in the stores working I hear teenaged boys talk about Halo 3 and never anything else on the 360. Why? I really do think that game makes people buy the 360 more than xfans realize. The PS3 sells for its variety of good games and not just 1 title nearly as much so as the 360 does. casey7672

LoL 360 has way more AA's and AAA's than the ps3... 360 has an even greater variety of games than the ps3 and they are better as well. Ps3 fans are just bitter because Halo 3 isn't coming to their system and it will be another exclusive AAA added to the 360's growing library of AAA's and will be better than any shooter to ever be released on ps3...

[QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
Dragonblade01

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Wow..

You mean the game where you just hold down RT and get kills? :lol:

I love doing that in the COD4 beta especially, people always tell me shut up and that its not true. So I do it and make everyone feeldumb. I respawn and just hold down RT with the M4when Ieventually see someone, just fire off in their direction and kill them.

That game takes no skill, my kill to death ratio is like 4.5. To make the game challenging I use a pistol, and I still end up on the top of the leaderboard all the time.

COD is probably the most noob friendly FPS. Even my brother kills people and he's like the worst FPS player ever. He thinks COD3 and the betais great cause he gets kills.

Actually, I prefer COD as well, your method could be applied to other shooters as well (just depends on how lucky you get); I find that no other FPS delivers the sheer intensity that I felt when playing the COD2 campaign (in my oppinion, of course)

I guess maybe I just want some ultra realistic shooter where it involves much more than holding the trigger.

In COD the bullets for the most part go straight. Come on, be more realistic. If your firing off an M4 its not gonna fire completely straight for 30 shots.

[QUOTE="Dragonblade01"][QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
xDonRobx

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Wow..

You mean the game where you just hold down RT and get kills? :lol:

I love doing that in the COD4 beta especially, people always tell me shut up and that its not true. So I do it and make everyone feeldumb. I respawn and just hold down RT with the M4when Ieventually see someone, just fire off in their direction and kill them.

That game takes no skill, my kill to death ratio is like 4.5. To make the game challenging I use a pistol, and I still end up on the top of the leaderboard all the time.

COD is probably the most noob friendly FPS. Even my brother kills people and he's like the worst FPS player ever. He thinks COD3 and the betais great cause he gets kills.

Actually, I prefer COD as well, your method could be applied to other shooters as well (just depends on how lucky you get); I find that no other FPS delivers the sheer intensity that I felt when playing the COD2 campaign (in my oppinion, of course)

I guess maybe I just want some ultra realistic shooter where it involves much more than holding the trigger.

In COD the bullets for the most part go straight. Come on, be more realistic. If your firing off an M4 its not gonna fire completely straight for 30 shots.

no fair, you got the copy that actually fired straight, lol, my bullets never did that (and I have decent aim)

why do you care about the bouncer? ( underrated, I know)

vickissv2

I friggin hated The Bouncer. I thought it was so boring.

Halo being the best selling series on the Xbox doesn't have as much to do with the Xbox's audience as people believe. Games like Halo, Gran Turismo, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion and GTA are all great sellers because they appeal to casuals and hardcore gamers alike. I don't seriously believe people buy the 360 primarily for shooters anymore then they buy the PS3 primarily for racing games.

The sad part about this is that both GeOW and Halo's are not exclusives. LOLMaximumD

When I'm out in the stores working I hear teenaged boys talk about Halo 3 and never anything else on the 360. Why? I really do think that game makes people buy the 360 more than xfans realize. The PS3 sells for its variety of good games and not just 1 title nearly as much so as the 360 does. casey7672

1st off, sells?

2ndly, variety?

3rdly, good games?

Thats the most denial I have ever seen in such a short span of words, amazing.

P.S. Do you get all your insider information from evesdropping on teenage boys? doubly amazing.

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
Dragonblade01

I really don't agree with your notion that anyone who doesn't have the same oppinion as yours lacks common sense

[QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
Dragonblade01

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Wow..

You mean the game where you just hold down RT and get kills? :lol:

I love doing that in the COD4 beta especially, people always tell me shut up and that its not true. So I do it and make everyone feeldumb. I respawn and just hold down RT with the M4when Ieventually see someone, just fire off in their direction and kill them.

That game takes no skill, my kill to death ratio is like 4.5. To make the game challenging I use a pistol, and I still end up on the top of the leaderboard all the time.

COD is probably the most noob friendly FPS. Even my brother kills people and he's like the worst FPS player ever. He thinks COD3 and the betais great cause he gets kills.

Actually, I prefer COD as well, your method could be applied to other shooters as well (just depends on how lucky you get); I find that no other FPS delivers the sheer intensity that I felt when playing the COD2 campaign (in my oppinion, of course)

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]first of all, gears is trash. anyone with an ounce of commen sense would understand that. second, halo is a fantastic franchise. lemmings SHOULD feel proud to have it. but honostly, if it weren't for its storyline, I'd dig COD alot more. I prefer its gameplay to halos.
xDonRobx

:|

Wow..

You mean the game where you just hold down RT and get kills? :lol:

I love doing that in the COD4 beta especially, people always tell me shut up and that its not true. So I do it and make everyone feeldumb. I respawn and just hold down RT with the M4when Ieventually see someone, just fire off in their direction and kill them.

That game takes no skill, my kill to death ratio is like 4.5. To make the game challenging I use a pistol, and I still end up on the top of the leaderboard all the time.

COD is probably the most noob friendly FPS. Even my brother kills people and he's like the worst FPS player ever. He thinks COD3 and the betais great cause he gets kills.