Why do you care about profits of a company ?

Never understood why its a often used point of discussion , from my perspective profits are totally irelevant , i just care about my entertainment when it comes to games , not about business related stuff. So please explain why you care about profits of a game/console company unless you are a stakeholder ?

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It absolutely concerns everyone and everything.

Someone or something ceases to make money and that something ceases to exist.

It absolutely concerns everyone and everything.

Someone or something ceases to make money and that something ceases to exist.

balfe1990

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It absolutely concerns everyone and everything.

Someone or something ceases to make money and that something ceases to exist.

AmnesiaHaze

So you'd prefer to remain totally ignorant of the business side of things?

I may not be a major player in the stock markets or anything but I like to know where companies stand, how their products are selling etc.

I personally find it interesting.

Never understood why its a often used point of discussion , from my perspective profits are totally irelevant , i just care about my entertainment when it comes to games , not about business related stuff. So please explain why you care about profits of a game/console company unless you are a stakeholder ?

AmnesiaHaze

People want to defend their choices. By pointing to low sales, or poor profitability of a company, some feel that they can indirectly say "you should have bought what I bought" or "I feel better about my purchase".

Never understood why its a often used point of discussion , from my perspective profits are totally irelevant , i just care about my entertainment when it comes to games , not about business related stuff. So please explain why you care about profits of a game/console company unless you are a stakeholder ?

AmnesiaHaze

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Never understood why its a often used point of discussion , from my perspective profits are totally irelevant , i just care about my entertainment when it comes to games , not about business related stuff. So please explain why you care about profits of a game/console company unless you are a stakeholder ?

trugs26

+1

Well if you have no interest beyond the immediacy of your surroundings then why be interested in anything? Why watch the news, read books, learn new things, if ultimately like you say, you cannot change anything. Just be ignorant of everything.

I'm invested in the things that happen beyond just what I play because it impacts me. If a company is doing well or not so well, I might decide to do my part to support it by buying its products new, or not support them if I don't like their business practice. I can then witness if my decisions mean anything and if not at least I have the self satisfaction of contributing. Look at Ubisoft recently dropping its DRM. Enough people said no and something changed.

Games mean a little more to me than just throwaway entertainment so I am invested in the people, business and industry as a whole behind the games I play.

Well if you have no interest beyond the immediacy of your surroundings then why be interested in anything? Why watch the news, read books, learn new things, if ultimately like you say, you cannot change anything. Just be ignorant of everything.

I'm invested in the things that happen beyond just what I play because it impacts me. If a company is doing well or not so well, I might decide to do my part to support it by buying its products new, or not support them if I don't like their business practice. I can then witness if my decisions mean anything and if not at least I have the self satisfaction of contributing. Look at Ubisoft recently dropping its DRM. Enough people said no and something changed.

Games mean a little more to me than just throwaway entertainment so I am invested in the people, business and industry as a whole behind the games I play.

Arath_1

And another +1.

Good job.

To some gamers, other peoples money means more to them than actual games. I think we know the crowd. :cool:ispeakfact

You mean console gamers?:? They are the only people who would once in awhile spam about how much PC gamers spent on their rigs for whatever reason.

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Never understood why its a often used point of discussion , from my perspective profits are totally irelevant , i just care about my entertainment when it comes to games , not about business related stuff. So please explain why you care about profits of a game/console company unless you are a stakeholder ?

balfe1990

+1

Because I want to be able to play the next Zelda on Nintendo's 10th home console 20 years from now.

The fact that we probably won't see Banjo 3 in our lifetimes is depressing.

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I can imagine Sony fans being saddened by the closure of Sony Liverpool and the inevitable downfall of the Playstation handheld. I feel lucky that I'm not attached to Sony's 1st party offerings, and that my favorite companies (Nintendo, Valve, Blizz) are alive and well.

Well if you have no interest beyond the immediacy of your surroundings then why be interested in anything? Why watch the news, read books, learn new things, if ultimately like you say, you cannot change anything. Just be ignorant of everything.

I'm invested in the things that happen beyond just what I play because it impacts me. If a company is doing well or not so well, I might decide to do my part to support it by buying its products new, or not support them if I don't like their business practice. I can then witness if my decisions mean anything and if not at least I have the self satisfaction of contributing. Look at Ubisoft recently dropping its DRM. Enough people said no and something changed.

Games mean a little more to me than just throwaway entertainment so I am invested in the people, business and industry as a whole behind the games I play.

Arath_1

Profits = more games.

No profit = no money = eventally going bankrupt which will lead to the company going out of business/ closing it's doors.

So if a developer were to be liquidated, or a publisher were to go bankrupt, you wouldn't care?

sony must be a paradox then when they can offer great entertainment despite their losses , and honestly that all i care for AmnesiaHaze

Sony are heavily invested in this generation, you can't expect them to drop everything immediately after that division starts losing money.

Clearly, as (Sony's) history can show, there is massive potential for profit in the video games industry. Sony may not be doing well as a whole right now, but that's the reason they're making cut backs and trying to lessen their overheads. They're going to take it on the chin for the time being until they get back on track on back into the black.

Unless, they continue to suffer heavy losses and in fact doshut down their Playstation sector, you won't be able to tell me profits aren't important to you or I.

Because profitless VG companies at some point just stop making VG ? :o :P

Why do I care

cuz I freaking do ... ok ... so

The only companies i care about are the game devs (Valve, Beth, Rockstar, etc).

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You want entertainment, but don't care about profits? You really don't know what fuels that entertainment? I care about this industry as a whole, and I hope it continues to grow. This includes the profits and developers getting paid.

AmnesiaHaze

+1

Leave the business talk to the companies and investors and let the gamers play the games.

Profit does not always equate to more games... it equates to richer people at HQ.

If you think buying tonnes of one game will produce another game, its more likely that they will produce the same game depending on how MONEY HUNGRY they are... which goes down to what kind of developer they are.

Its not about the money, its about the games.... (also the pricing and steam sale lol)

To some gamers, other peoples money means more to them than actual games. I think we know the crowd. :cool:ispeakfact

their profits = games=your entertainment...k2theswiss

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"] their profits = games=your entertainment...rjdofu

It was nice knowing you Vita. No more Sony handhelds. Sony has no profit :(

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="k2theswiss"] their profits = games=your entertainment...SuperFlakeman

It was nice knowing you Vita. No more Sony handhelds. Sony has no profit :(

Explain the PS3.rjdofu

k bro.

Translation: Sony lost billions of dollars to keep it alive and healthy. It's called investing. That's not gonna happen with PS4, because Sony is not in a good financial state anymore.

sales = quality.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]Explain the PS3.SuperFlakeman

k bro.

Translation: Sony lost billions of dollars to keep it alive and healthy. It's called investing. That's not gonna happen with PS4, because Sony is not in a good financial state anymore.

Still haven't answer my question. Explain the upcoming games for the PS3.rjdofu

PS3 is an awesome system.

But they can't make PS4 an awesome system, because they lost too much money making PS3 awesome.

What's your IQ btw ?

I would say that gamers who are familiar with the business side of gaming tend to be the most informed and educated than those who simply play games. They know why things are what they are in the gaming business.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]Still haven't answer my question. Explain the upcoming games for the PS3.SuperFlakeman

PS3 is an awesome system.

But they can't make PS4 an awesome system, because they lost too much money making PS3 awesome.

What's your IQ btw ?

Because I'm a shareholder.

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[QUOTE="rjdofu"]Still haven't answer my question. Explain the upcoming games for the PS3.rjdofu

PS3 is an awesome system.

But they can't make PS4 an awesome system, because they lost too much money making PS3 awesome.

What's your IQ btw ?

I didn't dodge the question, I directly answered it. I said PS3 is awesome, but because of that, PS4 won't be.

Of course, you may disagree with that reasoning and conclusion.

Neither of us is either right or wrong yet, we're simply predicting.

The thing is, once we know the answer, we will be past the point of no return, Sony has to act now. If they dismiss the warnings like you are doing now, they're in for a surprise me thinks.

I don't really. I couldn't care less how much money MS, Sony, Nintendo made/lost their 1st quarter or whatever.

People only brag about sales when they have nothing else to brag about. This is why Lemmings do it all the time.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

PS3 is an awesome system.

But they can't make PS4 an awesome system, because they lost too much money making PS3 awesome.

What's your IQ btw ?

SuperFlakeman

I didn't dodge the question, I directly answered it. I said PS3 is awesome, but because of that, PS4 won't be.

Of course, you may disagree with that reasoning and conclusion.

Neither of us is either right or wrong yet, we're simply predicting.

The thing is, once we know the answer, we will be past the point of no return, Sony has to act now. If they dismiss the warnings like you are doing now, they're in for a surprise me thinks.

It's not just simply about the company profit. Everything can decide a console fate: price, launch time, game varieties, targeting audience, etc. Prime example, the Wii, Ps2.

However, my original argument was about how a company profit does not necessarily equal the amount of upcoming games, and my main example was the PS3. I didn't talk about the unknowing future that anything can happen. Sony is in deep sh!t right now, no one denies it. But their state doesn't reflect in the upcoming games for the PS3. Hence the argument that more profit = more games doesn't work here. Your acceptance that PS3 is a great console proves my point.

Even if we know that the current state is not good, what can WE, A SMALL, INSIGIFICANT GAMER do about it? Sit around and talk? Go out and buy a couple more games? Ptfff.

It's a sheep thing. One must be a sheep to understand

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

It absolutely concerns everyone and everything.

Someone or something ceases to make money and that something ceases to exist.

AmnesiaHaze

If I was totally ignorant of Vita's sales problems and went out and bought one then I'd be out $250-$300 + money for an expensive memory card, with the lack of support would make it a wasted purchase.

Being informed means money saved instead of money thrown down the toilet. Unless you're a kid who has parents buy you everything, that's kind of important.

Bigger Profit = More Games from that developer or in that series = More entertainment for fans of that company/console/series which ever applies.

Never understood why its a often used point of discussion , from my perspective profits are totally irelevant , i just care about my entertainment when it comes to games , not about business related stuff. So please explain why you care about profits of a game/console company unless you are a stakeholder ?

AmnesiaHaze