Why does 360 scatch disks, but PS3, Wii, laptops etc... dont't????

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#51 broken_ops
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Because M$ is all about low quality, ever since they exist.The_RedLion
No that's Sony. Just google DRE :lol:

*googles DRE* :?:? the first two things that come up are about dr. dre and the department of real estate:?:?

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#52 Deathtransit
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I keep mine horizontal, and install that baby as fast as I can. I have an arcade, but bought a 20GB hd pretty much for the sole purpose of installing. Too many horror stories.
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#53 The_RedLion
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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Because M$ is all about low quality, ever since they exist.broken_ops

No that's Sony. Just google DRE :lol:

*googles DRE* :?:? the first two things that come up are about dr. dre and the department of real estate:?:?

try PS2 DRE
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#54 93BlackHawk93
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$

One of many technical issues of 360.

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#55 cainetao11
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I understand you hardly moved it, but what does the owners manual say? Do not move the console with a disc in it. I follow their instructions. Your fault for not.
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#56 jaqulle999
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Happened to my friend the other day. He tried a few things but i don't know if he fixed it yet.

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#57 DarthJohnova
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="elm_street_kid"] If this is so easily avoidable, then how is it even possible that it's not part of the design? HOW??!?!!!!!???? I don't get it. I want to drive up to MS right now and grab the designers and shake them and ask wtf is wrong with you.elm_street_kid

5 cent rubber piece x 50 mil = $2.5 million Cutting corners is what these businesses do. ------------------------------------------- They save about $1 per dvd drive that comes without rubber protection. That yields more profits. Several consumer watchdogs have reported these kind of disc scratching WITHOUT THE DAMN CONSOLE MOVING. There are some experiments done Just search ''Kassa 360'' on youtube, Kassa is an dutch consumer watchdog that makes television programs about scams. Microsoft, cutting corners since 2006. This is what happens when a SOFTWARE company tries to make hardware. It can never be good.

How about this... They dip into some of that extra money they made from charging $100 dollars for a WiFi adapter and buy some foam. They should get some guys in accounting to do some number crunching... I'm sure they can figure something out and still keep the company afloat.

Very good point!
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#58 Skittles_McGee
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My 360's "scratch ring'd" two discs. One of them I'm pretty sure I might have bumped into the system (which is still a hella small matter to lose out $60 for) and the other was the 360's own fault. I was playing the game when I heard a grinding noise, suddenly the disc is unreadable, I take it out, perfect ring etched around the disc. Unusable. It definitely scratches 'em. And supposedly, the newer models still do it too.
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#59 WilliamRLBaker
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http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/Disc-Drive-scratched-my-disc/m-p/286308

Laptop scratching a disc.
When a system is revving it disc depending on its rpm it will put more and more force upon it in a gyroscopic affect thus making it scartched against stuff in the drive area.

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#60 ImprovedMind
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While you are not following the sticker that says do not move the console, just go pour some water in your PS3 and ignore the "Don't expose the console to liquids." as stated in the user manual.

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#61 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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I bought a $60 game and it's not even a day old and now it doesn't work. I did not move my 360 from vertical to horizontal. It was vertical and I simply moved it to the left without tilting it at all.,.AT ALL. wtf. I mean I hardly moved the thing. It's a brand new slim model. Why is it the 360 has this problem so much more then other electronics? I saw that you can buy foam padding to stop this from happening... so why doesn't MS just have the foam as part of the design? I don't care about MS vs Sony vs Nintendo I'm just really pissed off right now. The game isn;t even a day old and now it's useless. Wasted money. There's nothing I hate more than wasted money... I hate that feeling so much. Does MS not have any standards when it comes to QA or what??? I tried the baking soda toothpaste fix on the disk as well as car wax... neither worked. I will see if I can find some shop locally that does disk repair. elm_street_kid
The disc is spinning at 50000 mph. It is unwise to move the console at all while that is happening. Especially if its vertical, considering gravity and all that. But yes, there should be rubber pads. Thought they had put those in there already.
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#62 salcha00
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I own a xbox 360 and I never had any disc scratching. I love my xbox.
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#63 Kinthalis
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http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/Disc-Drive-scratched-my-disc/m-p/286308

Laptop scratching a disc.
When a system is revving it disc depending on its rpm it will put more and more force upon it in a gyroscopic affect thus making it scartched against stuff in the drive area.

WilliamRLBaker

Eh, did you even read your own link?

The link you posted is about a manufacturing defect with that drive. Drives aren't supposed to scratch your disc because you nudged your PC a tiny bit, or your console for that matter. If you kick it while it's reading, that's another story. But that is not what happenned to the TC.

This is MS being cheap. Quit being fanboys.

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#64 elm_street_kid
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While you are not following the sticker that says do not move the console, just go pour some water in your PS3 and ignore the "Don't expose the console to liquids." as stated in the user manual.

ImprovedMind
Again, I know I made a mistake. I'm just making the observation that the 360 seems to do this much MUCH easier then the other systems and am just wondering why that is... out of curiosity. It wouldn't hurt to have a safeguard there...why not? Things happen. I like it when a company wants to set high standards for themselves and their QA. It was pretty ridiculous how little it got moved and how badly the disk got damaged. Now I feel like I have this fragile thing that I have to practically tip toe around.
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#65 markinthedark
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i have 3 different 360s... 2 are the old pro models... one of them i leave wide open because i install games on one 360, load em up, then pull the disc drive apart so i can take the disc out and use it to play the same disc on 2 different 360's simultaneously (this isnt considered piracy and against the rules is it? if so i lied and i dont really do that). And even when im hot swapping discs, i have never even seen a minor abrasion... i honestly dont have a clue how people are scratching discs unless they are shaking their console around.

and if you knocked your PC tower over while you were installing a game, i think your disc would suffer similar scratches.... drives like the PS3 are less prone to scratching, but more prone to jamming... but really when a disc is spinning is just plain poor behavior to move the drive around.... whether PC or ps3.

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#66 ronvalencia
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http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/Disc-Drive-scratched-my-disc/m-p/286308

Laptop scratching a disc.
When a system is revving it disc depending on its rpm it will put more and more force upon it in a gyroscopic affect thus making it scartched against stuff in the drive area.

WilliamRLBaker

It's HP. http://purplejunction.com/2009/11/20/3-year-laptop-malfunction-rates-asus-beats-out-apple/

A CE laptop PC was *designed* to be SOHO mobile. If a CE laptop failed this test, then it failed it's purpose.

I have moved, rotated and flip over my Dell Studio XPS 1645 and Sony Vaio VGN-FW45 laptops while it played a DVD-Video and resulted no-scatched disk.

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#67 cainetao11
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While you are not following the sticker that says do not move the console, just go pour some water in your PS3 and ignore the "Don't expose the console to liquids." as stated in the user manual.

ImprovedMind
I LOL'd. Agreed. People don't want to take responsibility for what they do today.
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#68 incuensuocha
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Of course people need to be careful and not move their 360. I always install a game before playing it and then delete it when I'm done with it. That doesn't change the fact that MS designed the drive poorly. It's easy for everyone to say that MS did nothing wrong (like some Lems on this site I know), but think about all the kids who just want to play games and don't comprehend the matter. Is MS just stickin' it to them knowing mommy and daddy will have no choice but to re-buy the game?
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#69 PatchMaster
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Do not set up an older 360 vertically. I had a copy of Gears scratch the same way the OP did. The disk scratchingmanaged to avoid major controversy because everyone was all over RROD. There's a small foam bumper that they can/could put in the disk drive to keep disks from moving but they never did in the older models. It doesn't seem like scratching is much of an issue with Slims, however. I got one recently and it functions much more smoothly.

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#70 BuryMe
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I've never had problems with my 360 scratching discs...

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#71 elm_street_kid
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[QUOTE="ImprovedMind"]

While you are not following the sticker that says do not move the console, just go pour some water in your PS3 and ignore the "Don't expose the console to liquids." as stated in the user manual.

cainetao11
I LOL'd. Agreed. People don't want to take responsibility for what they do today.

So POURING WATER on a PS3 and gently moving my 360 two inches without tilting it are getting compared to each other... alright. I have already pointed out 2 or 3 times on this thread that I take responsibility. I was just curious why this seems to happen so much easier on a 360... Out of curiosity not because I want to shift blame.
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#72 Zanoh
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The disc spins at 32-64X speed inside the 360 drive, the drive's lens is pretty close to the disc, and the disc does not have much space. Ergo, it is easier to scratch a 360 disc even with a simple motion.

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#73 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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My laptop scratched disks. :(

The 360 disk drive spins a lot faster than the PS3 and Wii though, so that would be my guess.

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#74 Leejjohno
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The quality of hardware has always been questionable on the 360. The whole thing is just quite shoddy.

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#75 lamprey263
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it does suck, but I know better than to move it while the disc is spinning, you should have to for that matter, and just in case in happens on accident I always install the games to the HDD, then the only time the disc spins is when it initially reads the disc
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Odd. I've had a Xbox 360 for over five years and yet I've never had this problem... I wonder if it's because I had the common sense to NOT MOVE IT WHEN IT'S RUNNING. :)
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#77 UCF_Knight
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Mine hasn't scratched any discs, but then I usually toss around my 360 when it's turned off.
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#78 Ibacai
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Mine started scratching them all the time. Didn't matter that I never touched it. It's why I don't have one now as MS said they would not pay for replacements.
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#79 ChubbyGuy40
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I don't know why but the 360 is the only console I've ever had that scratches disks. It ate my copy of FIFA 11 and L4D2. Microsoft has some really s***** quality console. One of the many reasons I hate the 360.

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#80 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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Odd. I've had a Xbox 360 for over five years and yet I've never had this problem... I wonder if it's because I had the common sense to NOT MOVE IT WHEN IT'S RUNNING. :)Stevo_the_gamer
Only game I've ever had get scratched up is Oblivion. I don't know why, but that game destroys itself in there. :?