Why does Bioware get a free pass? Fable III doesn't?

I saw a thread on this forum talking about future DLC plans for Fable; it sparked many pages of outraged gamers saying they will never stand for this.

Well, Bioware not only does it, they set you up for it.

1) Limit players bag space and give them free DLC armor they have to carry because you need to be higher level to use it.

2)make the DLC content you need to buy offer up a storage option.

3)place the quest marker for the DLC Over the guys head, in your camp, and include the dialog option to DL additional content.

It has two new abilities and a dungeon. Does anyone believe this was not stuff cut from the game?

The gamers on this board get all high and mighty but if Blizzard or Boiware do anything like this they pretend it doesn't exist and bite the pillow. How can gamers totally ignore it like Bioware and EA are not doing this?

Bunch of Bioware fanboys here is why. But there are some that recognize the shadiness.

I hope DLC burns in hell...

I saw a thread on this forum talking about future DLC plans for Fable; it sparked many pages of outraged gamers saying they will never stand for this.

Well, Bioware not only does it, they set you up for it.

1) Limit players bag space and give them free DLC armor they have to carry because you need to be higher level to use it.

2)make the DLC content you need to buy offer up a storage option.

3)place the quest marker for the DLC Over the guys head, in your camp, and include the dialog option to DL additional content.

It has two new abilities and a dungeon. Does anyone believe this was not stuff cut from the game?

The gamers on this board get all high and mighty but if Blizzard or Boiware do anything like this they pretend it doesn't exist and bite the pillow. How can gamers totally ignore it like Bioware and EA are not doing this?

Kiyobear

I love Bioware but this is beyond shady. I read an article that asked someone at Bioware about this and they flat out lied suggesting that this was not content cut from the game. It's so damn obvious it is. I tried to talk about this in a Dragon Age thread on this board and everyone, EVERYONE, including people I saw go ballistic about how evil Fable III will be for gaming, ignore it.

They cut content from the finished game and try and sell it to you in camp. I can't even turn the damn quest arrow off over the guys head so I don't have to be reminded of it.

I am sick of it, at least be honest people. Stop talking tough about say, Activision, and then pretend that Blizzard isn't part of Activision.

The industry is so certain nobody cares they lie right to our face about it. I would have more respect if Bioware would have just been honest and said "we took some content out and turned into day one DLC". An honest thief is better then a dishonest one.

Meh, I'm just sticking to the free stuff. I downloaded a load of stuff for Oblivion on the 360 and that's put me off for life. DLC has been an absolute pain for this generation of games. I'm absolutely against buying a game and then buying stuff to go on top of it.AirGuitarist87

The thing about this is they took STORAGE SPACE out of the game and make you buy it. I mean come on, freaking storage space is now DLC for an RPG? Are you kidding me?

How can this slide? It also includes a lot of lore about the Grey Wardens... that aside.. STORAGE SPACE WAS NOT PART OF THE GAME? Bioware didn't cut that out and make people pay for it?

Damn, who is going to save us? What developer out there can both make good games and has integrity.

I was a loyal, die hard, Bioware fan since BG. Now they are just another developer to me. It's a sad, sad day for me. I would go so far as to say that quest marker I can't get rid of is really hurting the game for me. Just knowing that they are claiming storage space was not cut from the game to be sold. Then pretending like giving you that armor you get for free isn't intended to take up space with something you can't use yet.

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

heretrix

Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing.

But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Meh, I'm just sticking to the free stuff. I downloaded a load of stuff for Oblivion on the 360 and that's put me off for life. DLC has been an absolute pain for this generation of games. I'm absolutely against buying a game and then buying stuff to go on top of it.Kiyobear

The thing about this is they took STORAGE SPACE out of the game and make you buy it. I mean come on, freaking storage space is now DLC for an RPG? Are you kidding me?

How can this slide? It also includes a lot of lore about the Grey Wardens... that aside.. STORAGE SPACE WAS NOT PART OF THE GAME? Bioware didn't cut that out and make people pay for it?

Damn, who is going to save us? What developer out there can both make good games and has integrity.

I was a loyal, die hard, Bioware fan since BG. Now they are just another developer to me. It's a sad, sad day for me. I would go so far as to say that quest marker I can't get rid of is really hurting the game for me. Just knowing that they are claiming storage space was not cut from the game to be sold. Then pretending like giving you that armor you get for free isn't intended to take up space with something you can't use yet.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up.heretrix

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Meh, I'm just sticking to the free stuff. I downloaded a load of stuff for Oblivion on the 360 and that's put me off for life. DLC has been an absolute pain for this generation of games. I'm absolutely against buying a game and then buying stuff to go on top of it.AirGuitarist87

The thing about this is they took STORAGE SPACE out of the game and make you buy it. I mean come on, freaking storage space is now DLC for an RPG? Are you kidding me?

How can this slide? It also includes a lot of lore about the Grey Wardens... that aside.. STORAGE SPACE WAS NOT PART OF THE GAME? Bioware didn't cut that out and make people pay for it?

Damn, who is going to save us? What developer out there can both make good games and has integrity.

I was a loyal, die hard, Bioware fan since BG. Now they are just another developer to me. It's a sad, sad day for me. I would go so far as to say that quest marker I can't get rid of is really hurting the game for me. Just knowing that they are claiming storage space was not cut from the game to be sold. Then pretending like giving you that armor you get for free isn't intended to take up space with something you can't use yet.

You know, you're bags get full and you don't want to sell or destroy stuff so you can use a storage chest or something. Yeah, you have to pay extra for that.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up.AirGuitarist87

Anyone who can't see this for what it is.... I mean good god, it's plain as day.

Hey, I have this snake oil to sell you it cures.......

Awesome Penny Arcade link BTW, thanks a lot for that.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

Kiyobear

Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing.

But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!

You know, you're bags get full and you don't want to sell or destroy stuff so you can use a storage chest or something. Yeah, you have to pay extra for that.

Kiyobear

Its called they finished the game months ago on the pc, and they made dlc while waiting for the console version to be ready. SAGE_OF_FIRE

OMG, it's really this easy, huh? Drop storage space from the game and call it DLC and people are going to buy into it? CE editions didn't even get this content. You have to get the Digital Deluxe edition now.

I looked the other way with this DLC scam for far, far too long. Now it hit me at home where it hurts.

Whats next people "Pepsi would like to present the ending to Dragon Age after this brief intermission."

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Its called they finished the game months ago on the pc, and they made dlc while waiting for the console version to be ready. Kiyobear

OMG, it's really this easy, huh? Drop storage space from the game and call it DLC and people are going to buy into it? CE editions didn't even get this content. You have to get the Digital Deluxe edition now.

I looked the other way with this DLC scam for far, far too long. Now it hit me at home where it hurts.

Whats next people "Pepsi would like to present the ending to Dragon Age after this brief intermission."

I saw a thread on this forum talking about future DLC plans for Fable; it sparked many pages of outraged gamers saying they will never stand for this.

Well, Bioware not only does it, they set you up for it.

1) Limit players bag space and give them free DLC armor they have to carry because you need to be higher level to use it.

2)make the DLC content you need to buy offer up a storage option.

3)place the quest marker for the DLC Over the guys head, in your camp, and include the dialog option to DL additional content.

It has two new abilities and a dungeon. Does anyone believe this was not stuff cut from the game?

The gamers on this board get all high and mighty but if Blizzard or Boiware do anything like this they pretend it doesn't exist and bite the pillow. How can gamers totally ignore it like Bioware and EA are not doing this?

Kiyobear

Woah !!! didnt know this, man this sux big time, glad i wont buy this :|

Games should have an easy built-in infrastructure to support DLC. Dragon Age is a huge game. It's 6-8 times the size of typical games out these days, and that's without any side missions.

This content could have shipped. In that awesome penny arcade link that was provided he talks about seeing a trailer with Wardens Keep in it long ago.

The fact that they are making an attempt to pass this off as anything other then what it is disgusts me.

Now all I have is Valve and I will admit they have been walking the line.

What will become of our beloved past time when that awesome immersive fantasy game you love has company suits in the game selling us stuff? A sad day for all gamers, a sad day.

R.I.P Bioware

[QUOTE="heretrix"]They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up.AirGuitarist87

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

This content could have shipped. In that awesome penny arcade link that was provided he talks about seeing a trailer with Wardens Keep in it long ago.

The fact that they are making an attempt to pass this off as anything other then what it is disgusts me.

Now all I have is Valve and I will admit they have been walking the line.

What will become of our beloved past time when that awesome immersive fantasy game you love has company suits in the game selling us stuff? A sad day for all gamers, a sad day.

R.I.P Bioware

Kiyobear

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="heretrix"]They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up.heretrix

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

You blow my mind. Being a carpet must be a tough job. You're right, though. Selling storage space in your SP RPG is totally legit.

Get off it.

I always forget the DLC and consider what i pay for initially to be the game that i get.
Cause that's how it really is.
Dragon Age is a brilliant game without the DLC i heard, so the game itself is not a rip-off.

However, dear developers: If You use DLC, then create AND implement the DLC with respect for Your game, and don't make it something that improves how the game works. (In this case the inventory space is an example imo.)

It's still despicable how marketing and ecognomes are increasingly getting their hold on gaming... AND GAMERS. I see more and more activision schemes appearing.
On this forum there are some of the most hardcore people and what You read on here sometimes, about people defending these practises, is unbelievable.
I certainly by no means give Bioware a free pass.
This goes for all companies.
DLC can be great, can be done right.
It can also mislead and detract.

They're selling inventory space as DLC? :? What the hell Bioware, I knew there'd be DLC, I didn't know it would be crap like that. At least there should be mod tools right? That should help somewhat.ManicAce

Yeah, there are tools. I feel bad for console gamers who won't get mod's. The first mod I want, or maybe I will do it myself, is to go in and remove that one quest arrow.

Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing. But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!Kiyobear

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="heretrix"]They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up.heretrix

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

What's extra shady about the Warden DLC is this bit.

The bottom line is this: the lack of inventory space is a problem given the way the game was designed. The solution to this problem will cost you seven dollars above and beyond the money you paid when you bought the game. Dragon Age, as sold, is slightly crippled by design. Once again, Electronic Arts pushes the limit for how to bilk you for more money. Here's a wonderful single-player RPG and the publisher is doing their level best to make you keep paying for it even after you've already bought it.Fidgit

Essentially they took a feature which should've been part of a patch, and put it into the $7 DLC. First step towards charging for patches.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] I'm agreeing with you, but you have to admit that having the DLC available at launch is a bit of a giveaway. :PAirGuitarist87

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

Please, we are not talking about if they have the right to do it, they do. We are talking about integrity. We are talking about a basic game function that was cut and the player being manipulated into buying it. Passing this off as gamers feeling entitled is... well, stupid.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] I'm agreeing with you, but you have to admit that having the DLC available at launch is a bit of a giveaway. :PKiyobear

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

You blow my mind. Being a carpet must be a tough job. You're right, though. Selling storage space in your SP RPG is totally legit.

Get off it.

I ask again, Have you played the game or are you just into complaining about something you can just ignore?

And I repeat you can upgrade your inventory with backpacks that you find ingame. It's to bad you choose to ignore that because it just makes your "argument" invalid.

"Oh, poor me, somebody tried to charge me for something and I didn't like it. Why should I ignore it when I can draw attention to myself on a message board?"

Like I said, spare me.

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

heretrix

Hey, you can do what I did and ignore it. I'm really annoy by the perpetual sense of friggin' entitlement that gamers have. It completely negates any sympathy that I may have for any cause. These games cost a lot more to make than they used to and all I ask is for people to use a little brainpower before they go of on mindless rants.

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

heretrix

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing. But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!Nerkcon

I always forget the DLC and consider what i pay for initially to be the game that i get.
Cause that's how it really is.
Dragon Age is a brilliant game without the DLC i heard, so the game itself is not a rip-off.

However, dear developers: If You use DLC, then create AND implement the DLC with respect for Your game, and don't make it something that improves how the game works. (In this case the inventory space is an example imo.)

It's still despicable how marketing and ecognomes are increasingly getting their hold on gaming... AND GAMERS. I see more and more activision schemes appearing.
On this forum there are some of the most hardcore people and what You read on here sometimes, about people defending these practises, is unbelievable.
I certainly by no means give Bioware a free pass.
This goes for all companies.
DLC can be great, can be done right.
It can also mislead and detract.

KungfuKitten

I completely agree. It's just absolutely baffling how there are people willing to stand up for publishers' right to screw them over. I just don't ****ing understand it.

What's extra shady about the Warden DLC is this bit.

[quote="Fidgit"]The bottom line is this: the lack of inventory space is a problem given the way the game was designed. The solution to this problem will cost you seven dollars above and beyond the money you paid when you bought the game. Dragon Age, as sold, is slightly crippled by design. Once again, Electronic Arts pushes the limit for how to bilk you for more money. Here's a wonderful single-player RPG and the publisher is doing their level best to make you keep paying for it even after you've already bought it.InsaneBasura

Essentially they took a feature which should've been part of a patch, and put it into the $7 DLC. First step towards charging for patches.

Another great link from a poster, thanks. Not that all this is making me sad, though.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

InsaneBasura

Hey, you can do what I did and ignore it. I'm really annoy by the perpetual sense of friggin' entitlement that gamers have. It completely negates any sympathy that I may have for any cause. These games cost a lot more to make than they used to and all I ask is for people to use a little brainpower before they go of on mindless rants.

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

heretrix

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Hey, you can do what I did and ignore it. I'm really annoy by the perpetual sense of friggin' entitlement that gamers have. It completely negates any sympathy that I may have for any cause. These games cost a lot more to make than they used to and all I ask is for people to use a little brainpower before they go of on mindless rants.

Just don't buy it if it offends your sensibilities, but spare me the "we are getting ripped off" nonsense. I am 100 percent against all of the preorder nonsense that's going on so I don't participate in it. But I'll be damned if these guys don't have a right to try and sell you their products they way they want to.

heretrix

A grain of sand sinks the same as a stone. So, bend over and take it. What about when the game makes you pay of a major plot point? Or god forbid an ending. It's the little things that show someones honesty. We can all handle the big stuff, easy. It's the little things.

Bioware was a great company that used to talk about the art form of games. It would be like listening to a song but you have to pay more to hear all the notes.

Here's the difference. Dragon Age is actually a good game, Fable 2 was pretty mediocre.DragonfireXZ95

I love Fable II but good or not it's beside the point. Did you read what the DLC is? Or just hop in to bash fable and praise DA?

You can buy bags within the game to increase your storage space (with the video game gold not real money) and they already explained how they have warden's keep DLC, they were twiddling their thumbs while waiting for the game to be certified (which takes months) and did it then, they can't put it in the game because they will then have to re-certify the game again and have a delay. In short.. less QQ.

With fable 3 they actually have time to put it in the game right now, it isn't something that's coming up last minute that they made while waiting on certification, they are saying that they are making day one dlc (i assume) when the game is due next year. Warden's keep wasn't even announced until the last few months.

That's weird, because I HAVEN'T BOUGHT ANYTHING BUT THE GAME.

I ask again, Have you played the game or are you just into complaining about something you can just ignore?

And I repeat you can upgrade your inventory with backpacks that you find ingame. It's to bad you choose to ignore that because it just makes your "argument" invalid.

"Oh, poor me, somebody tried to charge me for something and I didn't like it. Why should I ignore it when I can draw attention to myself on a message board?"

Like I said, spare me.heretrix

Calm down there. I own the game and I haven't bought the DLC either...but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to be pissed at the choices made to make a profit.

We all know you can increase your character's load equip, but the problem is that it gradually adds up as you find equipment you don't want to get rid off but can't use...which will eventually force you to get rid of things before you even get the chance to use them..

A storage chest where you can store items is a no-brainer in any good rpg .It provides you with a place to store all of your valuable items and come back later when you've leveled up enough to use them.

If you don't fork that $7 you're basically denied that new campsite with a storage chest which forces you to sacrifice big time...

Just look at recent RPG games:

Oblivion allowed you to store items in chests (in your houses)

Same thing applies for Fallout

Demon's Souls (which has significantly less items than DA:O) has Stockpile Thomas who holds items for you

and so on and so forth...

I think you can understand why people find this omition annoying.

Gotta agree with heretrix on this one. There might be something to complain about if DAO was 8-9hrs long, but a game that's already 40-60hrs in length.

Can't people just stop nit-picking and enjoy the game without thinking about all these conspiracy theories. I don't remember seeing people complain about the Fallout 3 or GTA IV content like this.